Tharold Simon's finger

[BelizeHawk]

Anyone know if it was a legit injury or a tactic to slow down Chip Kelly's offense?
I read somewhere that it was listed as dislocated on an injury report. Perhaps a little of both as there was really no need to remain on the field so long for a dislocated finger.
Also loved Carroll asking for a measurement on what was clearly a first down earlier in the game. Philly fans were pissed about that. They can blame the refs though because a coach can always ask for a measurement; it is up to the refs to grant the request or not.
Speaking of hurry up offenses, their ultimate success in winning championships is seriously questionable. Has any team ever won a championship while playing a true hurry up offense? There was actually an article last year before the super bowl about how Denver's hurry up pace is how they would win the SB. How did that work out? The Bengals in '88 made it to the super bowl with a hurry up offense but lost as did the 4 Bills Super Bowl teams of the 90's. Some championship teams like the Patriots and the Flacco Ravens employed It effectively at times during championship runs, but has an exclusively hurry up offense ever won it all? I am not a huge NFL historian so perhaps I am forgetting someone. But ultimately my point is hurry up offenses like the Eagles, the Broncos (and the Packers to some degree) are flawed because of the inordinate amount of stress they put on your defense.

[monkey]

But ultimately my point is hurry up offenses like the Eagles, the Broncos (and the Packers to some degree) are flawed because of the inordinate amount of stress they put on your defense.

I've been trying to convince people of this for years.

It's why I keep telling people that the Seahawks are built to be the apex predator, the team that feeds on even other top predators. We're built in such a way that high volume passing teams get wrecked, it's why the Seahawks seem to "play down" to their competition at times, why they struggle more with teams like the Rams than they do the Packers.
Perhaps one day the genius of the way the Seahawks have been put together will truly be understood and extolled by the media and more fans...

To your main point though, I would agree that it's probably both a legit injury and a ploy to slow down the Eagles.
It worked too, LOL!

[Long Time Fan]

Anyone know if it was a legit injury or a tactic to slow down Chip Kelly's offense?

The injury occurred with the clock running and the Eagles needing two scores late in the 4th quarter. The injury caused the game clock to stop running as the crowd could be heard booing a circumstance that was clearly to the benefit of the Eagles.

[Hawktawk]

I'm struggling to remember the last fast break offense to win it all. The colts in 2006 with Manning had a high octane offense but Manning actually had a fairly dreadful postseason with 7 picks and 3 TD's. It was the return of Bob Sanders and an improved run game that put the colts over the top. But I'm wracking my brain and can't remember really a single no huddle or muddle team winning it all playing that style of ball.

[burrrton]

I'm struggling to remember the last fast break offense to win it all.

"The Greatest Show on Turf"??

[Hawktawk]

Good one. But barely in a low scoring punch fest with the Titans. That and a great tackle on the goalline. It seems like the teams that often run it up in the SB are the more defensive physical teams, like the Ravens in 2001 or the Hawks last year.

[Hawk Sista]

By the time Tharold was legitimately injured, we did NOT need to slow them down. The fans in Philly are ignorant and I have to say I lost a little respect for Chipper during the game too. The persistent whining to the zebras during the game was just idiotic. There were calls that were made and missed on both sides of the ball and it struck me that he should have used his time to figure out how to score.

[BelizeHawk]

"The Greatest Show on Turf"

Were they really a hurry up/no huddle team? I honestly cant remember. I know they were a pass heavy team that put up a lot of points and questioned the run to set up the pass philosophy that was prevalent at the time. But did they operate out of the no huddle? If so good example of a championship hurry up team.

[NorthHawk]

I don't think of the Greatest Show on Turf as being a hurry up Offense, but instead a faster paced Offense but not as quick as the current Eagles.

The good thing about the fast paced Offense is they can continually exploit a weakness or optimal matchup in a Defense if there is one because the Defense doesn't have enough time to change personnel. The downside is as we saw on Sunday if the Offense goes 3 and out the Defense only gets 3 or 4 minutes to rest if there is a commercial timeout and less if there isn't.
The Offense ends up putting the Defense in a bad situation as they eventually get ground down by the opposing Offense.

It's interesting to watch because it's different, but I don't see it lasting very long. Much like other innovative Offenses like the Run 'n Shoot and others, some aspects of it will remain in the next decade, but I would think it will generally fade away.

[jshawaii22]

After the game, they interviewed Simon and he said that "after I screamed, Kam ran oven and told me to stay on the ground, not to try to run off the field." Kam understood, but he was really hurt and from what I could see on the TV before they went to commercial, they were trying to pull his finger back into it's socket.

I never really saw Philly in an 'attack' offense like Green Bay or Denver uses, either. Maybe it was the multiple 3 and outs.. .ha, ha.

js

[HumanCockroach]

The "Greatest show on Turf" wasn't a "hurry up" offense, they were an abnormally pass heavy offense, that was willing to supplant the run with the pass, and unlike a west coast offense that did the same, it threw the ball deep down the field on any and all downs, and would do so in any situation. The speed of the players, and proficiency of the offense to score, and score quickly could give that impression, but the Rams huddled and called plays from the sideline like most other teams.

Obviously in their two or four minute offense it became a "hurry up" offense, but like most teams they did indeed huddle, call plays, then line up and run it. The certainly weren't milling around the LOS waiting for the ball to be spotted.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/rev ... w-on-turf/

Put this in the wrong thread. Oops.

[THX-1138]

By the time Tharold was legitimately injured, we did NOT need to slow them down. The fans in Philly are ignorant and I have to say I lost a little respect for Chipper during the game too. The persistent whining to the zebras during the game was just idiotic. There were calls that were made and missed on both sides of the ball and it struck me that he should have used his time to figure out how to score.

Absolute agreement. That guy barks more than my dog does when he's in the pen and I'm inside the house. On a certain level it was hilarious watching him lose his sh*t to the refs. "Boo hoo, poor Chipper." I said. Got himself all discombobulated and lost his focus.

The Seahawks are getting into people's heads just like last year. Watching teams give up during games is such a weird experience when it's your own team causing it.

GO EFFING HAWKS!

[Hawk Sista]

word!

[Hawkstar]

word!

Yeah - That ^^

[RiverDog]

All other previous hurry up offenses, starting with Sam Wyche's sugar huddles, were not designed to run plays in rapid fashion, they were designed to keep defenses from substituting. Kelly's is the first that I can recall where they use it to actually accelerate the pace of the game and maintain that pace throughout the entire game.

At least in the game against us, it put an enormous amount of pressure on the Eagle defense. I can't remember a time of possession as lopsided (42-18) in a two score game as it was in this one.