Beast Fined For Crotch Grabbing

[RiverDog]

From the league that allows the advertisement of products that may give users erections lasting more than 4 hours comes a fine to one of their players for grabbing his crotch....

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/seattle-seahawks-marshawn-lynch-fined-obscene-gesture-122514

[NorthHawk]

I saw the replay a couple of times and you really have to watch for it in real time, it was that quick - there might even be an argument that it was an involuntary movement while in the air. It wasn't like he was standing there like Michael Jackson doing one of his songs a few years ago.

[Bird Droppings]

Oh, please, Nanoook of the North Hawkville tribe:

There was nothing accidental about Mr. Lynch's actions.

Unless you are living in an ivory tower, you know the move was purposeful, and well executed.

By fining him, I now understand we have read the whole adversarial relationship between BeastMode and the NFL hierarchy.

It is just marketing.

He does it.

They love it.

They fine him to bring more publicity and popularity and marketing opportunities for THE LEAGUE.

C'mon, a fine of that unbelievable magnitude, enough to rock the final numbers on the New York Stock Exchange, is only a marketing sham by the NFL.

And BeastMode builds his folk-hero image.

And, with a few more victories, the Hawks become America's team.

The League is using Mr. Lynch as a prop, and Mr. Lynch has been using the NFL hierarchy as a prop.

It reminds me of another current topic involving promotion by Sony for a film about a North Korean with a notable haircut who is big on comic books having at it by shouting about shutting down the internet with the government of this country boosting film attendance by "playing it out". Everybody, somehow or another, will end up benefitting.

Hell of a discourse on Christmas Day.

But, as to Mr. Lynch and the League leaders ...

...I see the light.

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[RiverDog]

I gotta agree with Zoom. There was nothing unintentional about Beast's crotch grab. He did the same thing after the first Beast Quake run back in 2010. Funny thing is that the league didn't raise an eyebrow back then. But the league is so much more grown up now...right?

But good point about Michael Jackson.

[burrrton]

Of course it wasn't accidental, and it probably deserves the fine.

My question is: why did/does he do that??

[jshawaii22]

Probably did it as a FU to the AZ defense who had pretty much stopped him up to that point and are known to talk a lot (Peterson)

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[burrrton]

Probably did it as a FU to the AZ defense who had pretty much stopped him up to that point and are known to talk a lot (Peterson)

Makes sense, but didn't he think making asses of their entire D on that run did enough talking??

I guess if he likes writing $11K checks to the league, have at it- I just can't understand why he feels compelled (Droppings' explanation notwithstanding).

[NorthHawk]

Oh, please, Nanoook of the North Hawkville tribe:

There was nothing accidental about Mr. Lynch's actions.

Unless you are living in an ivory tower, you know the move was purposeful, and well executed.

By fining him, I now understand we have read the whole adversarial relationship between BeastMode and the NFL hierarchy.

It is just marketing.

He does it.

They love it.

They fine him to bring more publicity and popularity and marketing opportunities for THE LEAGUE.

C'mon, a fine of that unbelievable magnitude, enough to rock the final numbers on the New York Stock Exchange, is only a marketing sham by the NFL.

And BeastMode builds his folk-hero image.

And, with a few more victories, the Hawks become America's team.

The League is using Mr. Lynch as a prop, and Mr. Lynch has been using the NFL hierarchy as a prop.

It reminds me of another current topic involving promotion by Sony for a film about a North Korean with a notable haircut who is big on comic books having at it by shouting about shutting down the internet with the government of this country boosting film attendance by "playing it out". Everybody, somehow or another, will end up benefitting.

Hell of a discourse on Christmas Day.

But, as to Mr. Lynch and the League leaders ...

...I see the light.

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I'm sure it was intentional, but it was so quick it is hard to notice in real time.
If it wasn't made mention in the media, nobody would think much of it.
A rather innocuous act in my book.

[RiverDog]

Of course it wasn't accidental, and it probably deserves the fine.

My question is: why did/does he do that??

He's only done it once before that I know of, that being Beast Quake I. As a rule, he is very casual about his TD celebrations and simply hands the ball to the ref. I can understand the league wanting to discourage stuff like that as it is very close to an obscene gesture, but I don't get why the same thing was OK back in 2010 and verboten in 2014. If no one said anything to him when he first did it, they shouldn't have fined him this time, let him off with a verbal warning or something.

[Hawktawk]

IMO he shouldn't do it. I dont like seeing men grab their junk in public for any reason. That being said Ive only seen it twice, beast quake 1.0 and beast quake 2.0. So if we see 3.0 and 4.0 its probably good.......Honestly I agree it is a PR stunt by the league. Lynch can wipe his arse with 11,500.00.Whats the publicity worth to the league?

[Zorn76]

A c grab by Beast in exchange for $11,050?

Since he does it so rarely, I think ML with take that fine every time.

Not saying its' right - and I didn't even notice it when it happened - but I do understand why the league handed out the ticket.

The only thing that would prevent him, I think, is if the flag him for it next time. But, again, this is not his usual signature after scoring a TD. It's reserved for a Beast Quake. And if he has another run like that in the playoffs and pulls the same maneuver, so be it. It's penalties that shift field position that would likely force Carroll to put an end to it.

Regardless, I love the guy. He is easily my favorite Seahawk RB, bar none. Lynch brings it every carry, whether it's a 2 yd loss and fighting to get back to the LOS, or busting a run like we saw in AZ.

I also really, really, hope that they make every attempt to keep him after this season, no matter how slim the odds seemingly are at the moment. Maybe he is ready to leave anyway, especially if he gets another ring. We'll see.

[c_hawkbob]

While I'd just as soon they hadn't, I haven't got much of a problem with this. It's is kinda rubbing the other team's faces in it. As huge as the play was, and as classy as his TD "celebrations" usually are I'd just as soon they'd let it slide like they did last time, but I don't think there's a whole lot to complain about.

[kalibane]

Of course it wasn't accidental, and it probably deserves the fine.

My question is: why did/does he do that??

You're seriously asking us to make sense out of Lynch's decisions?

[burrrton]

You're seriously asking us to make sense out of Lynch's decisions?

Fair point.

[Long Time Fan]

It is just marketing.

Would anyone be surprised to see a jock medication endorsement coming out of this?

[kalibane]

Fair point.

Not that this needs to be underscored but I found it hilarious nonetheless... When Earl Thomas was asked about Lynch's crotch grab this was his quote:

"He is who he is. He's going to hold his dick. That's what he do".

[NorthHawk]

Great quote from ET.
It shows how this team is made up of a whole bunch of different characters.
It would sure be boring if they were all the same.

[Bird Droppings]

Well, Nanook, I'm still wearing my "O.Schmidt" jersey at times.

While the Seattle Times, and every other media outlet, just reported the Hawks former FB as a heavy bleeder when he banged his head open as "I'm all in" in an attempt to build motivation and unity on the dull, lackluster Seattle roster under the magnificent, daring Tim Roadkill (and look at the wonders he brought to Chicago when he left here) while O. Schmitt moved on to Philly and the Raiders ... the local media just reduced his locker room show to yesterday's news.

his 28 second outburst was over, and the team wasn't affected by it.

Thus dullards, and that head coach, could not handle Schmidt's actions as anything more than a distraction and , Gawd knows, the local media were totally intimidated by Emperor Holmgren.

So now we have a team full of characters in a play which wowed 'em on stage in New York.

And the characters continute, ergo hoc heist, and the team all of a sudden is enveloped by national media as "back for a return engatgement".

It is going to be bright lighes, big city by evening this coming Sunday.

Because: this team's characters have character ... they are not leaguespeak teamspeak pipsqueaks who start shaking with anxiety when they are allowed to be themselves while led by a coach who is a real person, and a director of some renown off-Broadway.

Ain't it amazing.

We are seeing something up close the likes of which we will never see again ... and which many in other cities may never see.

There will be champions, but they are not Muhammed Ali who could take it and dish it out.

You be a legend awreddy, Mr. Lynch.

Children in Nairobi and Newfoundland will emulate you.

I don't know if that's necessarily good or bad.

...but they know it is entertaining.

Meanwhile, "O Schmidt" runs his bar in West Virginia ... and I am sure he is having many silent smiles while enjoying the antics of Mr. Lynch ... as he looks at a team and a coach I'm sure he would have preferred to the latte squad of those previous years.

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[Oly]

No problems with the grab (clearly intentional, and IMO totally obvious even when I watched it live in real time) or the fine. 11k for that kind of mental edge is something that I think any well paid player would gladly pay.

[Hawktown]

IMO, if you don't like it, turn off the TV and the radio, Put yourself in a sound proof dark room and never enter society again.

There is SO MUCH WORSE out there and we are concerning ourselves with a crotch grab.

Hell kids do much worse things on a daily basis.

BOO HOO!!! SMDH!!!

[savvyman]

I have created many threads over the years both here and at the Old PI forum in appreciation of Marshawn Lynch. He could very likely be my all time favorite Seahawk.

Now with that qualifier out of the way I have no issued with the NFL fining Marshawn for grabbing his crotch as he went in to the end zone. It is a gesture that is a very low class manner of taunting your opponent.

Can you imagine the uproar by the 12th man if Colin Kappernick had run 70 yards for a TD and upon entering the end zone turned towards the Seahawk's team and grabbed his crotch in Century Link Field? Most 12th men would have gone nuts. Doubt what I am saying? Please - I heard grown men crying for years over Terrell Owens" taking a sharpie out of his sock and signing a football after he scored a TD against the Hawks on a Monday night game. This act by Owens is not nearly as controversial as turning towards the opposing team and grabbing your package after a big play.

So what will be next if the NFL ignores this gesture by Lynch? A crotch grabbing sack dance by players after they sack the QB? Or how about a player turning towards the other team as they enter the end one and display to the opposing team the middle finger?

Grabbing the crotch area as a display of "whatever" towards another person (or team) is behavior that has always been considered classless and definitely un-sportsman like and hopefully will continue to be viewed that way by members of a civilized society.

[Bird Droppings]

Well, Kemo Savvy, you know if the NFL thinks it can make a dime off an authentic NFL Crotch Sack, comeplete with NFL and team logos, then the NFL will market such a product.

Opportuniies would be endless. Perhaps one style for the defense, and a variation for the offense.

As I suggested earlier in this thread, both Mr. Lynch and NFL are benefitting from his actions, and fine.

Now, how about a BeastMode money sack to hold those fines in.


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[Hawktown]

well then i guess that we should do something about baseball players always adjusting themselves ON TV. May not be taunting but still inappropriate to some, not me. It does not mean that beast was taunting either, IMO.

[HumanCockroach]

I have created many threads over the years both here and at the Old PI forum in appreciation of Marshawn Lynch. He could very likely be my all time favorite Seahawk.

Now with that qualifier out of the way I have no issued with the NFL fining Marshawn for grabbing his crotch as he went in to the end zone. It is a gesture that is a very low class manner of taunting your opponent.

Can you imagine the uproar by the 12th man if Colin Kappernick had run 70 yards for a TD and upon entering the end zone turned towards the Seahawk's team and grabbed his crotch in Century Link Field? Most 12th men would have gone nuts. Doubt what I am saying? Please - I heard grown men crying for years over Terrell Owens" taking a sharpie out of his sock and signing a football after he scored a TD against the Hawks on a Monday night game. This act by Owens is not nearly as controversial as turning towards the opposing team and grabbing your package after a big play.

So what will be next if the NFL ignores this gesture by Lynch? A crotch grabbing sack dance by players after they sack the QB? Or how about a player turning towards the other team as they enter the end one and display to the opposing team the middle finger?

Grabbing the crotch area as a display of "whatever" towards another person (or team) is behavior that has always been considered classless and definitely un-sportsman like and hopefully will continue to be viewed that way by members of a civilized society.

I'm sure they would, but, it is zero different than kissing your bicep after scoring, or doing the superman, dunking a ball over the goal post or any other celebration in the endzone, crass though it may be, it is celebration for a big TD, and one that isn't consistently done ( only in the biggest plays has he done so). I'm not in the least surprised he got fined ( even said it when his hand was still "adjusting" in mid air). The NFL fined him because it doesn't fit with the image they are attempting to portray for all the soccer mom and kiddies watching, not because he broke any rules or did anything differently than all the other "marquee" players, they simply didn't like the matter in which he celebrated.

Ultimately, if it was an issue, a warning should have come first, yet they used the "taunting" as the escape in this instance.

[Hawktawk]

The next thing will be a rules change taking the play off the scoreboard for taunting. It was discussed after Tate waved bye bye last season. Lynch was not flagged and the only reason its being debated is the media showing close up freeze frames. Most people watching who aren't Beast Mode fans probably didn't even notice it in real time.

As for crotch grabbing it seems to me it was prevalent in the NBA for a while. I dont know if it is anymore because I dont watch it.

[RiverDog]

I remember Ken Griffey, Jr. grabbing his crotch one time after crossing home plate following a home run he hit as a not so complimentary gesture to the opposing manager, Sparky Anderson, for intentionally walking him in his previous at-bat. That one was a pretty class-less act, IMO. But I don't think MLB fined him for it.

It's hard to say what kind of message, if any, Lynch was trying to send. Perhaps he's just doing it to be funny.

If it was really so obscene or embarrassing that it deserved a fine, why didn't the league ask the networks not to show the part where he grabbed his crotch instead of replaying it 10,000 times, including on NFL Network?

[c_hawkbob]

I remember Ken Griffey, Jr. grabbing his crotch one time after crossing home plate following a home run he hit as a not so complimentary gesture to the opposing manager, Sparky Anderson, for intentionally walking him in his previous at-bat. That one was a pretty class-less act, IMO. But I don't think MLB fined him for it.

It's hard to say what kind of message, if any, Lynch was trying to send. Perhaps he's just doing it to be funny.

If it was really so obscene or embarrassing that it deserved a fine, why didn't the league ask the networks not to show the part where he grabbed his crotch instead of replaying it 10,000 times, including on NFL Network?

Pretty obvious to me he was saying "hold my d!ck b!tches, you can't stop me!". Y'all can tell yourselves he was just adjusting his cup or satisfying a quick itch or maybe supporting himself against possible groin injury all you want, but there wasn't anything cute or innocent or innocuous about that at all. He was 100% celebrating his absolute dominance over a vanquished foe.

[RiverDog]

Pretty obvious to me he was saying "hold my d!ck b!tches, you can't stop me!". Y'all can tell yourselves he was just adjusting his cup or satisfying a quick itch or maybe supporting himself against possible groin injury all you want, but there wasn't anything cute or innocent or innocuous about that at all. He was 100% celebrating his absolute dominance over a vanquished foe.

Maybe it was suppose to mean something like that. Maybe he does the same crotch grab jumping into the hotel swimming pool and just thought it was a fun way to celebrate. Who knows. I sure don't. Lynch ain't talking and I haven't heard anyone close to him explain the gesture so we're all left to speculate. All I know is that it was intentional and that it made me laugh.

Perhaps he will do what Tim Tebow did and take out a patent on his TD celebration.

[Anthony]

Maybe it was suppose to mean something like that. Maybe he does the same crotch grab jumping into the hotel swimming pool and just thought it was a fun way to celebrate. Who knows. I sure don't. Lynch ain't talking and I haven't heard anyone close to him explain the gesture so we're all left to speculate. All I know is that it was intentional and that it made me laugh.

Perhaps he will do what Tim Tebow did and take out a patent on his TD celebration.

Given all the other stuff that is done to celebrate I have no real problem with it, After that run he can do whatever he wants. Interestingly he has done it before on long runs but never got fined for it.

[c_hawkbob]

Maybe it was suppose to mean something like that. Maybe he does the same crotch grab jumping into the hotel swimming pool and just thought it was a fun way to celebrate. Who knows. I sure don't. Lynch ain't talking and I haven't heard anyone close to him explain the gesture so we're all left to speculate. All I know is that it was intentional and that it made me laugh.

Perhaps he will do what Tim Tebow did and take out a patent on his TD celebration.

Yeah right, Maybe...

I sure don't need to be told that was one Alpha Male celebrating his dominance over a field full of Alpha Males.

Besides, there is a very good, health and welfare of the family jewels related reason for holding onto your kahogies jumping into a swimming pool.
Trust me

[c_hawkbob]

Given all the other stuff that is done to celebrate I have no real problem with it, After that run he can do whatever he wants. Interestingly he has done it before on long runs but never got fined for it.

I don't have a problem with it either. I also have no problem with the fine. All this feigned outrage is a riot.

[savvyman]

The NFL fined him because it doesn't fit with the image they are attempting to portray for all the soccer mom and kiddies watching, not because he broke any rules or did anything differently than all the other "marquee" players, they simply didn't like the matter in which he celebrated.

There is a line in my opinion between a celebratory expression action (Dancing or hive fiveing fans) and a derogatory taunting action (grabbing your crotch or flipping the bird) though this would be subjective.

I agree with your premise of the fine - the NFL has been trying to expand their audience to women and kids for awhile and many of the recent rule changes are geared towards these demographics.

[savvyman]

Well, Kemo Savvy, you know if the NFL thinks it can make a dime off an authentic NFL Crotch Sack, comeplete with NFL and team logos, then the NFL will market such a product.

Opportuniies would be endless. Perhaps one style for the defense, and a variation for the offense.

As I suggested earlier in this thread, both Mr. Lynch and NFL are benefitting from his actions, and fine.

Now, how about a BeastMode money sack to hold those fines in.


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Agreed - The NFL would change their standards of acceptability or taste if they felt that a significant monetary value could be attained by the "Not for Profit" organization that pays the clown CEO $44 million a year.....