Fire Bevell now!!

[curmudgeon]

Before the team leaves Phoenix...

[RiverDog]

Before the team leaves Phoenix...

That was my first reaction, too. But now that I've had a night to sleep on it, cooler heads need to prevail.

Normally I would agree, if for nothing else, that we hold coaches as well as players accountable for their actions, and that one horrendous play call ruined the entire season for us. But when you think about our team as a whole, we are already losing Quinn and possibly another assistant or two that could leave with him, so firing Bevell would open up the two biggest assistant jobs on the team. That's too much change for a team that doesn't need to change, or at least doesn't need to change a lot. We've averaged 12 wins a season for the last 3 years in a row, so we must be doing something right. So at this point, unless Pete has a very good replacement waiting in the wings, then I think Bevell should be spared, at least for the time being.

[NorthHawk]

I think this last play call will follow him in his career if he is ever considered as a HC so we're stuck with him unless Pete decides otherwise.
Did the game and situation get too big for him?

[The POPE]

My 1st instinct was that Bevell should stay reagardless of the bone head call he made and I am no Bevell fan by any means. The Change of OC and DC would just be too much in 1 year. Now Mr Devil, excuse me, I mean Bevell has chosen too throw a 4th string, stone hands reciever under the bus, rather than accept responsibility for his actions. Biggest play call of your life and your call was wrong. Man up and pay for your sins. Better get his as* to the confessional and ask for forgiveness ASAP.
It may be too late, damage had been done. Pete--at least you admitted you blew it and this ultimately lies on you. Should have overridden the call and went with what got you there, but you trusted Devil and you payed the price.
Everbody thought it was hard to get to the big game this year, well we ain't seen nuthin him yet. About to find out how much these players and coaches really do drink the Pete koolaid.
Russell getting a big contract, beast mode possibly gone, Bevell throwing players under the bus for his own shortcomings makes for a very eventful offseason. This team preaches their faith and belief in each other and the staff, gonna find out just how great that faith is. Saw signs of cracks early in the season, and that crack just got opened up again. It will be interesting to see if their faith can close it again.

Repent before its too late, may already be too late.
Bevell might have written his ticket to a new destination by his actions and his words. Oh well I Think the Raiders are still looking for an OC.

Have faith my fellow Hawk fans,
Could be a long year ahead.

The Pope

[RiverDog]

I think this last play call will follow him in his career if he is ever considered as a HC so we're stuck with him unless Pete decides otherwise.
Did the game and situation get too big for him?

It could be that call will dog Bevell where ever he goes, like Bill Buckner's error. There's a lot of sportscasters calling that the worst decision in sporting history, worst than the Red Sox trading Babe Ruth to the Yankees. That's a little over the top IMO, but it shows just how public opinion is trending right now, and explains the somewhat goofy attempt Pete made to take some heat off Bevell when he said that the play was not designed to score.

[Vegaseahawk]

A friend of mine bet me immediately after that play $20 that Bevell would be fired. Knowing the Seahawks philosophy, I took the bet. Bevell will not be the goat in this. It was a coaching decision, & Bevell, Carroll, & Wilson were all part of it. Theres no way anyone loses their gig over this.

[Seahawks4Ever]

Just so you know, I stopped watching last night just before the trophy presentation, I just couldn't watch it. This is the first time I have seen or read any commentary about the game, I have NOT heard what Bevell said. This IS what I remembered seeing;

Lockette should have run to where Wilson threw the ball instead of stopping in his route and then trying to catch the ball. After what Lockette did it was easy for the rookie Butler to jump the route. If Lockette sells out it would have been a TD.

That said and done, why oh why didn't they just FEED THE BEAST!!!! Oh my, we had that game in the bag. We were in total control, and for once we were going to finish right, and not give Tom Brady enough time on the clock to come back and win the game. Then, the bottom fell out. Why oh why didn't they just either hand it to the Beast, or even fake it to the Beast and Russell Wilson carry it on in???? We were so in control of our own destiny, and oh what a destiny. Then WHAM! I was licked in the gut.

But, we will be BACK! Just you wait and see. Since we only beat ourselves and gave it to the Pats we will be back next year to rectify the situation!

[Anthony]

Just so you know, I stopped watching last night just before the trophy presentation, I just couldn't watch it. This is the first time I have seen or read any commentary about the game, I have NOT heard what Bevell said. This IS what I remembered seeing;

Lockette should have run to where Wilson threw the ball instead of stopping in his route and then trying to catch the ball. After what Lockette did it was easy for the rookie Butler to jump the route. If Lockette sells out it would have been a TD.

That said and done, why oh why didn't they just FEED THE BEAST!!!! Oh my, we had that game in the bag. We were in total control, and for once we were going to finish right, and not give Tom Brady enough time on the clock to come back and win the game. Then, the bottom fell out. Why oh why didn't they just either hand it to the Beast, or even fake it to the Beast and Russell Wilson carry it on in???? We were so in control of our own destiny, and oh what a destiny. Then WHAM! I was licked in the gut.

But, we will be BACK! Just you wait and see. Since we only beat ourselves and gave it to the Pats we will be back next year to rectify the situation!

Exactly why would you take the choice out of the most dangerous QB in the league. Meaning you put him in a timing, quick throw play were he has not control it is just throw it period. Why would you not run twins left and right, play action and let Russell decide were to go, or to scramble or to run or to throw it away. Give Wilson the choice instead of handcuffing him.

[Hawktawk]

Hindsight is 20-20. After rewinding and watching that last play too damn many times I think everyone involved in the play bears some responsibility. Bevell for calling it, Carroll for approving it, and RW and Lockette for botching the execution.Lockette was late and so was Wilson. I'm not even necessarily of the camp that says we had to hand it off there. A 2nd down pass isn't necessarily a bad thing. You just couldn't throw that pass to that reciever in the situation.It was a weird call. Big Balls PC got burned. But he was a hero going for it with 6 seconds left in the half. I was screaming FG on that one.
I know everyone is depressed and I am too but I feel sort of like I did after that Atlanta loss in the 2012 postseason. This story is far from being written. This team has a good chance to get back again a few times.

[RiverDog]

Hindsight is 20-20. After rewinding and watching that last play too damn many times I think everyone involved in the play bears some responsibility. Bevell for calling it, Carroll for approving it, and RW and Lockette for botching the execution.Lockette was late and so was Wilson. I'm not even necessarily of the camp that says we had to hand it off there. A 2nd down pass isn't necessarily a bad thing. You just couldn't throw that pass to that reciever in the situation.It was a weird call. Big Balls PC got burned. But he was a hero going for it with 6 seconds left in the half. I was screaming FG on that one.
I know everyone is depressed and I am too but I feel sort of like I did after that Atlanta loss in the 2012 postseason. This story is far from being written. This team has a good chance to get back again a few times.

I'll admit to that, too. I was saying over and over just prior to that play at the end of the half to take the points. Pete has gotten burned so many times in years past by getting greedy at the end of a half on those exact situations. I felt a little embarrassed when I looked up to see that we still had 2 seconds left on the game clock. They still would have had time to kick the FG had that pass been incomplete, and the way that it was thrown, it wasn't going to get picked off. They had a mismatch and took advantage of it, and Russell threw a perfect back shoulder throw.

[Hawktawk]

I hate to say it but Brandon Browner deserves some credit on the play too. It was supposed to be a pick play but Browner jammed Kearse and slowed the play down. That freed the corner up to just fire on the route.
NE was absolutely ready for the play. I wonder if they had our radio frequency:-(

[RiverDog]

I hate to say it but Brandon Browner deserves some credit on the play too. It was supposed to be a pick play but Browner jammed Kearse and slowed the play down. That freed the corner up to just fire on the route.
NE was absolutely ready for the play. I wonder if they had our radio frequency:-(

Butler definitely sniffed it out. If he had guessed wrong and Lockette had cut to his right instead of continuing across the middle, there was no one behind him, and an easy TD. We would be having an entirely different discussion.

[monkey]

Butler definitely sniffed it out. If he had guessed wrong and Lockette had cut to his right instead of continuing across the middle, there was no one behind him, and an easy TD.

Which just proves what a stupid call that was.

[HumanCockroach]

Butler definitely sniffed it out. If he had guessed wrong and Lockette had cut to his right instead of continuing across the middle, there was no one behind him, and an easy TD.

Actually that is where Browner happened to be, though I doubt he could cover two of them. Had Wilson been allowed to move, I think this is a non topic, as there was indeed room both left and right to move and decide to either throw or run, Lynch also was all by his lonesome in the left corner of the endzone. None of that changes that the call was horsesh*t at best, and ultimately, NO ONE in the history of the game has ever attempted to "waste" a down in that situation, in a pre season game, much less the SB.

[monkey]

Agreed HC
This

We sent in our personnel, they sent in goalline, it's not the right matchup for us to run the football, so on second down we throw the ball really to kind of waste that play. If we score we do, if we don't, then we'll run it in on third and fourth down.

is the real problem.
Who wastes a down in the Super Bowl?
And if you're really hell bent on doing so then...ummm...RUN THE BALL?!?
If you're just wasting the down anyway, and not expecting success, (which is unbelievably stupid if true) then RUN THE BALL! There are just too many things that can go wrong with the pass.
Furthermore, if you are hell bent on passing, then DON'T throw to the middle of a goal line defense, ESPECIALLY a timing route! For the love of everything sacred don't do that!!! Throw something roll out and or play action. Give Wilson the chance to CREATE, which is what he's become famous for. A timing route to the middle of a goal line defense?
Seriously
Horrible call PERIOD. It's indefensible.

[obiken]

Chill pill everyone, and I say that as a guy that should have eaten them by the handfuls in the past on draft day!!
Yes the call was the worst, no defense for it. The worst call of all time. However, Bevell has taken an offense that is not very consistent, with a qb, that the jury is still out on his pocket passing ability, and turned it into a big play offense that compliments our defense, and OBTW we have gone to two SB's We wont know how good RW is till beast leaves. He might just be Phil Simms. All great teams need a qb that doesn't make mistakes and hits the open guy. Come on Mary Rypien won a ring. Hostettler won a ring.

[Anthony]

Chill pill everyone, and I say that as a guy that should have eaten them by the handfuls in the past on draft day!!
Yes the call was the worst, no defense for it. The worst call of all time. However, Bevell has taken an offense that is not very consistent, with a qb, that the jury is still out on his pocket passing ability, and turned it into a big play offense that compliments our defense, and OBTW we have gone to two SB's We wont know how good RW is till beast leaves. He might just be Phil Simms. All great teams need a qb that doesn't make mistakes and hits the open guy. Come on Mary Rypien won a ring. Hostettler won a ring.

LOL you forgot sarcasm off/

[obiken]

All I'm saying is do you fire a guy for one bad call.

[RiverDog]

All I'm saying is do you fire a guy for one bad call.

When it's what many are saying is the worst call in Super Bowl history, yes, I think firing a coach for one bad call is justified. There are some offenses that require the football equivalent of the death penalty. Besides, our offense has yet to take that next step.

But in this case, given that we are already losing Quinn and perhaps another assistant or two, I don't think this is the right time to be firing our OC.

[mykc14]

All I'm saying is do you fire a guy for one bad call.

No you don't. I haven't liked Bevell as a play caller for the past few years, but we were a top 10 offense this year with a beat up OL and no true #1 receiver.

[NorthHawk]

What I continue to be confused about is for the last 4 years, all we have heard is it's about the ball and protect it at all cost.
Then on the most important play of they year and with probably the best RB at plowing runs, they throw the ball to a speed WR who is inexperienced at running routes inside.
It's so out of character and not in keeping with the protect the ball mantra.
Big mistake by the coaching staff. Why didn't they just say throw it through the End Zone if they wanted to waste a play - or down it like they are stopping the clock?
I think the moment got too big for the coaching staff and they out thought themselves.

[briwas101]

We don't deserve to win the super bowl again if we keep bevell. Its that simple.

Coaches/coordinators should not ever be the one to lose a game. EVER.

Coaches and coordinators don't have to make the team "better" but they cannot be allowed to make the team worse.

Bevell lost us not just a game, but THE MOTHER EFFING SUPER BOWL.

Besides, our offense is built around Lynch with the run, and Wilson improvising in the pass/run game. Bevell deserves exactly 0% of the credit for our success. None. Bevell has NOTHING to do with the Seahawks success. We would be just as successful with any random OC, except we wouldn't have to worry about boneheaded decisions to abandon the run.

Bevell has proven over the years to be among the worst OC ever, so once again the Hawks do not deserve to win another Super Bowl until we fire the guy that just lost it for us.

I hope someone physically hurts bevell so bad that hes afraid to step foot in Washington. I want him hospitalized long-term.

[Hawk Sista]

I think what is needed is some passage of time. Making decisions of this nature in the heat of the moment is stupid. We were a good (about 10th in yards and scoring this year) offense with a STOUT defense (when healthy). This is our standard and the way we want to do things. We have some missing pieces that we need to get, obviously. It hurts to wonder if Percy or Tate would have made that catch....but I digress.

The only way Bevel loses his job is if he's lost the respect of the team with his throwing Lockette under the bus routine (*in some post somewhere - I said RW, Pete and Bevel all accepted responsibility for the play. I hadn't heard his comments until later - sorry about this mis-print.) If I were his boss, it would be that BS above anything else that would lead to letting him go. Everyone needs a week and we will see. Stories are popping up about a giant divide in the Seahawks locker room....what else is new?

[I-5]

I agree with Anthony, that the mistake was in not letting Wilson control the ball via zone read, play action, rollout.

If you fire Bevell, who do you replace him with? Hopefully he's learned not to get cute, but to me he's still the best OC for Wilson and this offense.

[Seahawks4Ever]

We don't deserve to win the super bowl again if we keep bevell. Its that simple.

Coaches/coordinators should not ever be the one to lose a game. EVER.

Coaches and coordinators don't have to make the team "better" but they cannot be allowed to make the team worse.

Bevell lost us not just a game, but THE MOTHER EFFING SUPER BOWL.

Besides, our offense is built around Lynch with the run, and Wilson improvising in the pass/run game. Bevell deserves exactly 0% of the credit for our success. None. Bevell has NOTHING to do with the Seahawks success. We would be just as successful with any random OC, except we wouldn't have to worry about boneheaded decisions to abandon the run.

Bevell has proven over the years to be among the worst OC ever, so once again the Hawks do not deserve to win another Super Bowl until we fire the guy that just lost it for us.

I hope someone physically hurts bevell so bad that hes afraid to step foot in Washington. I want him hospitalized long-term.

No you don't. You never should wish harm on someone because the bad karma will rebound back on you! We all have sick thoughts from time to time where bad judgment gets the better of us, the difference in having a sick thought is what you do or not do with it. You stated in a public forum that wished harm on another human being because he made a very bad call in a football game. Trust me, no one feels worse than Darrell Bevel. He is the one who has to live with his play call and what it cost his team. All ready PC has backed off that idiot explanation of it being a "wasted" play. It was not a wasted play, PC agreed with the play call because N.E. left their goal line defense in and Pete thought that we could take advantage of the match up of personel, simple as that.

I suggest you take back what you said about wanting to see Bevell physically hurt because you would have a hard time forgiving yourself if something really did happen to him. Also, like I said, the bad karma will rebound back on you possibly in a way unforeseen by you.

Our Seahawks are going to be back to the Super Bowl, this was just year 3 in the Russell Wilson era and year 5 in the Pete Carroll era and look at all of the excitement we have witnessed so far, this is truly still just the beginning.

GO SEAHAWKS!!!!!!

[NorthHawk]

I agree with Anthony, that the mistake was in not letting Wilson control the ball via zone read, play action, rollout.

If you fire Bevell, who do you replace him with? Hopefully he's learned not to get cute, but to me he's still the best OC for Wilson and this offense.

That's a good question. Any OC would have to be conservative by nature to fit into Pete's philosophy.
I'm sure there are a few around, but I would bet they would get frustrated over time with our conservative approach.

[I-5]

I don't think there's anything to be frustrated by winning. Maybe if you're a WR, then you can be frustrated by not getting a lot of balls your way in this system. Our receivers seem to understand, it's about winning, so I think any OC would too. I still think Bevell is the right guy for this QB and this team.

[Anthony]

That's a good question. Any OC would have to be conservative by nature to fit into Pete's philosophy.
I'm sure there are a few around, but I would bet they would get frustrated over time with our conservative approach.

The thing I think is interesting is the play before half we scored on, it was Wilson who wanted it, called the play and convinced PC to do it. Sounds familiar but it seems almost every big play we have is either Wilson calling it, or him improvising and doing it. Makes you wonder if Wilson should not be his own OC.

[HumanCockroach]

All I'm saying is do you fire a guy for one bad call.

I'm thinking you are speaking here from a position of willfully forgetting some of the calls made by Bevell. This isn't the first time he has made a bad call by miles, and interestingly enough, it typically comes in a situation that warrants a run, but for some inexplicable reason always a pass. This may be the first time he has done it in a SB, but it certainly isn't the first time he has done it in a huge game. Fo an example, go back and watch the NFCCG a few years back, with Favre at the helm. Bevell's foolishness there to once again forgo a running play, for the pass, cost Minnesota the SB appearance.

How about attempting a QB dive with Wilson on the one, forgoing Beast against Arizona a few years ago, costing them a game, and more than likely the division on the way. The insitance to force feed Harvin this year against the Boys, a team with a horrid run defense, handing the ball to Marshawn 9 total times? His playcalling in the SD game at the end with the fly sweep for the millionth time on his own ten.....

Nah, there is a hell of a lot more ego driven, stupid calls on Bevells resume than you are remembering, that said I don't think he gets canned, but we can at the very least, dispense with the insistence it was "one bad call", it was a bad call, in a HUGE moment ( I can't imagine ANYONE can think of a bad call in that big of moment, in the HISTORY of the NFL), but he has indeed done so before, and it won't be the last time he does it ( everyone does) but hopefully it won't be in a moment to incredibly huge as to cost so many people what they have bled for all season.

[HumanCockroach]

The thing I think is interesting is the play before half we scored on, it was Wilson who wanted it, called the play and convinced PC to do it. Sounds familiar but it seems almost every big play we have is either Wilson calling it, or him improvising and doing it. Makes you wonder if Wilson should not be his own OC.

I always seem to mention this during one of those comebacks at the end of games to my Brother in law. Wilson does far better in those 2 and 4 minute drives because Bevell has less to do with them, it is simply Wilson taking what is given and adjusting to the defense. I was dissapointed they didn't just hurry to the line and punch it in, without allowing NE to substitute, and said it at the time....

IMO this offense moves better when Wilson is calling the shots, I'm not saying he should be his own OC, but he HAS to be listened to, and in that instance per the sound bites, he didn't want that call, and should have been more emphatic about it.