Wilson deal close?

[NorthHawk]

In 2011 our time of possession was 28 minutes. In 2012 it was 31 minutes. The defense went from 9th to 4th. I am sure that extra 3 minutes not being on the field also helped the defense. I am also sure not being put into a lot of jams with turnovers also helped the defense as in 2011 we had 14 ints, and Wilson we have never had 14 ints. Also in 2011 we had 18 total TOs, while in 2012 we have 13, 2013 11 and 2014 9. The only difference on offense was Wilson. Wilson now leads the league in 4th qtr/OT comeback winning drives over the last 3 seasons. Like it or not while everyone on the team is important some are more important than others and Wilson is far and away the most important.

The Defense also came up with a lot of 3 and outs and turnovers as well which can gives the ToP a skewed view if that's all you are looking at.
I just don't think you can contribute the change in the team solely to Wilson.

Edit:
Didn't we also have one of our best year on Punt coverage? That can also change the nature of the game in that it can make an opposing team more conservative when deep in their end thus often causing the Offenses to be more conservative. It was an entire team effort to get better those 2 years.

[Anthony]

The Defense also came up with a lot of 3 and outs and turnovers as well which can gives the ToP a skewed view if that's all you are looking at.
I just don't think you can contribute the change in the team solely to Wilson.

Edit:
Didn't we also have one of our best year on Punt coverage? That can also change the nature of the game in that it can make an opposing team more conservative when deep in their end thus often causing the Offenses to be more conservative. It was an entire team effort to get better those 2 years.

Punt coverage was 2013, not 2012 and again yes the defense got the 3 and out just like they did in 2011 however in 2011 our offense would go 3 and out just as much. Once Wilson came that all changed.

Also we can now add in with Wilson we had the 12th highest scoring avg in NFL History and the along with the defense that 2nd best differential.

http://www.footballperspective.com/aver ... arterback/

[NorthHawk]

The TEAM improved on a number of fronts, Wilson was part of it, but not the only part as was suggested above.

[HumanCockroach]

North pretty much nailed it. Wilson IS important, very important, but he is NOT the Seattle Seahawks anymore than Lynch or Sherman,or ET or ANY other player is. I am ecstatic that HE at least grasps that concept even if others refuse to acknowledge it . No QB in history hoists that trophy alone, and none ever will.

[Anthony]

North pretty much nailed it. Wilson IS important, very important, but he is NOT the Seattle Seahawks anymore than Lynch or Sherman,or ET or ANY other player is. I am ecstatic that HE at least grasps that concept even if others refuse to acknowledge it . No QB in history hoists that trophy alone, and none ever will.

That is not the point to all of this, and never has been. The point is how little credit Wilson is given for his impact on this team, perhaps mostly outside of seattle, and how all this shows the exact opposite. However give some of yours opinions perhaps it is understandable since some of you here ins Seattle are unwilling to give him the credit he deserves or want to trivialize it. The fact is he is the one player who losing would do the most damage to our team, period.

[NorthHawk]

I don't think anyone is not giving Wilson credit.
Rather we see the whole team improve along with Wilson during the time frame that the original comment was made as well as knowing that others contributions are and were as important as Wilsons. Remember that this is a Defense oriented team with a Defense focused Head Coach, therefore the Defense must take a lot of credit for our success.

[Anthony]

I don't think anyone is not giving Wilson credit.
Rather we see the whole team improve along with Wilson during the time frame that the original comment was made as well as knowing that others contributions are and were as important as Wilsons. Remember that this is a Defense oriented team with a Defense focused Head Coach, therefore the Defense must take a lot of credit for our success.

My point when we talk about the defense getting credit no one mentions Wilson. But when we talk about Wilson getting credit everyone wants to talk about the defense. You just made my point.

[NorthHawk]

We HAVE to talk about the Defense because we are a DEFENSIVE oriented team.
Some teams like the Packers are OFFENSIVE oriented and that's what brings them success.
We are not so any mention of Offensive success has to be seen through the lens of the Defensive success and achievements having a major role. The opposite is the true for teams like the aforementioned Packers.

[Anthony]

We HAVE to talk about the Defense because we are a DEFENSIVE oriented team.
Some teams like the Packers are OFFENSIVE oriented and that's what brings them success.
We are not so any mention of Offensive success has to be seen through the lens of the Defensive success and achievements having a major role. The opposite is the true for teams like the aforementioned Packers.

So we cannot give credit to anyone but the defense without mentioning the defense. Hmm yeah that makes sense...NOT

not to mention when people talk about how important Lynch is they do not bring up the defense, only with Wilson HMm again my point is made

[RiverDog]

Obviously we would be a very good team even with a below average quarterback like TJack at the helm. Our defense would keep games close to where we would win a number of them, as it has in recent years when our offense has struggled with Russell as the quarterback. We would still be a playoff quality team with most any quarterback good enough to start in the NFL.

But there's no way we would be the Super Bowl quality, legitimate perennial threat to win the Lombardi with someone like TJack as our quarterback. Russell is the perfect QB for our team...protects the ball, is a running threat on a running team, high completion percentage, can lead a team from behind. If we were to lose him, we would be back to a .500ish squad struggling just to make the playoffs unless we were to completely re-invent our offense.

[c_hawkbob]

There is a new wave of reports all over NFL AM this morning saying that Russ is "about to become the league's highest paid player" but also noting that formal negotiations have not even begun yet ... at least the new round of reports have backed off the "full guaranteed" deal saying instead that there will be "high guarantees". They even put up a neat graphic about him being the winningest QB in history over the first three years of his career.

[RiverDog]

There is a new wave of reports all over NFL AM this morning saying that Russ is "about to become the league's highest paid player" but also noting that formal negotiations have not even begun yet ... at least the new round of reports have backed off the "full guaranteed" deal saying instead that there will be "high guarantees". They even put up a neat graphic about him being the winningest QB in history over the first three years of his career.

They're also saying that the goal of the two sides is to have a deal done by the start of training camp in mid July. It's becoming more and more apparent that we're going to have to deal with these rumors for another couple of months.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... d-contract

[NorthHawk]

"So we cannot give credit to anyone but the defense without mentioning the defense. Hmm yeah that makes sense...NOT

not to mention when people talk about how important Lynch is they do not bring up the defense, only with Wilson HMm again my point is made"

OK, I give up.
Wilson is the ONLY reason we won the Super Bowl. He should get 100% of the credit for our success.
The Defense is average at best and Wilson lead us to the promised land.

I'll end the sarcasm there.

Like RD and Bob above said, he's a very good QB who is the perfect fit for our system, but he isn't the sole reason we have a winning team.
He isn't asked to carry the team to victory like other QBs are - our Defense is asked to keep it close or even win games if the opportunity is there.
Our Offense is only tasked with scoring enough for the Defense to hold - not win a track meet like other Offenses.
It's a ball control, safety first relatively conservative Offense. By its very nature, it limits the QB from having to dominate for us to win.
It doesn't mean he can't, but it means he isn't asked to.

[HumanCockroach]

I wonder Anthony if your reaction would be the same if everyone claimed it was solely Wilsons fault they lost the SB? You can't have it both ways. Seattle lost the SB as a TEAM, got there as a TEAM, and have succeeded as a TEAM. In my post I did not allude to the defense once, and have not in this thread other than to say Wagner is important ( I didn't even say he was as important as Wilson, only that Wilson isn't the "Seattle Seahawks" and point out that there has never been a QB in the NFL to hoist the Lombardi on his own, never, not once, and there never, ever will be, INCLUDING Wilson). If you are so hell bent on giving Wilson every ounce of credit, than that comes with every ounce of blame when things go poorly. So are you ready to "blame" Wilson for the SB loss? are you ready to forgo the poor play call? forgo the poor effort by Lockette? place blame squarely and solely on Wilson for it? How about the Lynch interception in Carolina? Solely and 100% Wilsons fault right? The balls clanging off Kearses hands in the NFC Championship game, Wilson, right?

It is silly to profess "all" credit belongs to ONE player on a football team, or it would NOT be a team.

No one is not giving Wilson his "due", he is important ( and I even added VERY important), but ONE player does NOT a team make, and that includes Mr. Wilson ( fortunately for Seattle fans Wilson grasps that concept, and embraces it, plenty of self centered pricks have come through the NFL that couldn't or wouldn't grasp it, and therefore had little "team" success, even if they inflated their own numbers).

[RiverDog]

My point when we talk about the defense getting credit no one mentions Wilson. But when we talk about Wilson getting credit everyone wants to talk about the defense. You just made my point.

Everyone? The most I said about our defense is that we would still be a playoff contender even if we had a below average quarterback like TJack vs. the perennial SB contender that we have become with Russell, which IMO is giving Russell a huge amount of credit.

Russell doesn't need anyone to solicit credit for him, at least not in this forum (absent Futureite, that is). If there is one thing we can all agree on, accounting for some minor differences of degree, it's the importance of Russell Wilson to this team. To a person, we all have a huge amount of respect for him, both for his playing ability as well as his persona.

[Anthony]

Obviously we would be a very good team even with a below average quarterback like TJack at the helm. Our defense would keep games close to where we would win a number of them, as it has in recent years when our offense has struggled with Russell as the quarterback. We would still be a playoff quality team with most any quarterback good enough to start in the NFL.

But there's no way we would be the Super Bowl quality, legitimate perennial threat to win the Lombardi with someone like TJack as our quarterback. Russell is the perfect QB for our team...protects the ball, is a running threat on a running team, high completion percentage, can lead a team from behind. If we were to lose him, we would be back to a .500ish squad struggling just to make the playoffs unless we were to completely re-invent our offense.

I Disagree we would not be a playoff team with any QB, sorry that is pure BS.

[Anthony]

"So we cannot give credit to anyone but the defense without mentioning the defense. Hmm yeah that makes sense...NOT

not to mention when people talk about how important Lynch is they do not bring up the defense, only with Wilson HMm again my point is made"

OK, I give up.
Wilson is the ONLY reason we won the Super Bowl. He should get 100% of the credit for our success.
The Defense is average at best and Wilson lead us to the promised land.

I'll end the sarcasm there.

Like RD and Bob above said, he's a very good QB who is the perfect fit for our system, but he isn't the sole reason we have a winning team.
He isn't asked to carry the team to victory like other QBs are - our Defense is asked to keep it close or even win games if the opportunity is there.
Our Offense is only tasked with scoring enough for the Defense to hold - not win a track meet like other Offenses.
It's a ball control, safety first relatively conservative Offense. By its very nature, it limits the QB from having to dominate for us to win.
It doesn't mean he can't, but it means he isn't asked to.

I never said he was the only reason we won the SB, I said when we are in a thread talking about Wilson and what he does why can we not keep it about Wilson and not drag in the defense. Like we do when we talk about Lynch or the defense. That is the point all you are doing by continually dragging up the defense when we are talking about Wilson is devaluing what he does and proving the media right when they say not even Wilsons own fans think he is that important.

[Anthony]

Everyone? The most I said about our defense is that we would still be a playoff contender even if we had a below average quarterback like TJack vs. the perennial SB contender that we have become with Russell, which IMO is giving Russell a huge amount of credit.

Russell doesn't need anyone to solicit credit for him, at least not in this forum (absent Futureite, that is). If there is one thing we can all agree on, accounting for some minor differences of degree, it's the importance of Russell Wilson to this team. To a person, we all have a huge amount of respect for him, both for his playing ability as well as his persona.

Again why do we even need to bring up the defense and why even say we would still be a playoff contender without Wilson? Why there is no reason other than to devalue what he brings period. That is my point. When we talk about the defense do you mention we would be a playoff caliber team if we lost any one of them? NO, or if we lost Lynch? No only with regards to Wilson. Again my point you and others cannot just give the guy credit without making it clear its all about the defense. Like I said you are missing the point and dancing around it. You just made some of the media points for them, why sign Wilson to a huge deal when any QB can keep them in the playoff hunt. Why give him the money when even the Hawks own fans do not give him any real credit without mentioning the defense. And again why do not you not mention the defense when we talk about Lynch? Only Wilson so far no one has come up with a good reason for that. Like I said even our own fans do not get it.

[Anthony]

Look when it boils down to it is this. Some of you cannot keep a thread about Wilson and anything he does for this team without mentioning the defense. However you have no problem not mentioning Wilson when you talk about the defense or Lynch, That is hypocritical, or devaluing either way you want to look at it. All you are doing is feeding the media who devalue him, If you really feel any QB would do you should be hoping we do not resign him, and save the money. Also enjoy not making the playoffs. That is the point and it is appoint no one has done anything but try to rationalize why its okay to mention the defense when talking about Wilson, OR devalue him saying any QB would do. We are talking about Wilson and his obvious value to our team lets keep it about Wilson and what he does for our team and talk about the defense in a defense thread.

[RiverDog]

I Disagree we would not be a playoff team with any QB, sorry that is pure BS.

I said that we would be a playoff contender, which we almost certainly would with or without Russell. We made them in 2010 and nearly made them in 2011, and that was early in Pete's rebuilding years.

[Anthony]

I said that we would be a playoff contender, which we almost certainly would with or without Russell. We made them in 2010 and nearly made them in 2011, and that was early in Pete's rebuilding years.

Yes but that was also with a much easier schedule then we have now. Now of course after one bad year are schedule gets easier again so maybe but I doubt it, but we would not be perennial playoff contenders or serious SB contenders. Also the same can be said for any 1 player on this team but I never here you say that about Lynch or Sherman, or Et or Kam. Only Wilson which again goes to my point.

[NorthHawk]

Sherman, Chancellor, and Thomas are 3 of probably the best Defensive back end in the league.
We saw how much better the Defense is with Kam than without, but we don't complain that he's not getting paid enough or getting enough attention.
The same with the others.

So we have a successful team that dominates on Defense and gets by on Offense. That's our basic identity.
It seems you think Wilson isn't getting his due, so how much credit for team success do you want Wilson to get for that?

[HumanCockroach]

LOL. Anthony, "it's all Hasselbecks fault" circa 2009, " Nothing is Wilsons fault, and you all are not giving him his due credit!" circa 2015....

Get a grip Anthony, a discussion on a smallish message board that drifts to different topics within the same thread has NOTHING to do with "not giving Wilson "enough" credit" in fact( SAME as EVERY other topic on this board for the most part INCLUDING ones about Lynch or any other player on the team), I have seen little ( DAMN little) criticism of Wilson over the last three years, and a hell of a LOT more credit placed at his feet than ANY single player on this team, INCLUDING Lynch, Sherman, Thomas, Kearse, Baldwin, the O-Line, any defensive lineman, any LB ( EVERY player top to bottom of the roster), in your world the QB can do no wrong ( as long as they are one of your favorites, otherwise it's "no right") while others on the team no matter what are simply window dressing. You have insisted you played, yet often, it certainly doesn't come across that way. If Kearse, Baldwin aren't making the insane catches they are making, IS Wilson as effective? Nope. If Lynch isn't a threat, IS Wilson as effective? Nope. If the Defense can't stop anyone, IS Wilson as effective? Nope.There are more examples of Wilsons reliance on his teammates, and that IS a two way street. Without Wilson the OTHERS aren't as effective either. They feed on EACH other, and THAT not simply Wilson, is the reason they continue to excel.

You complain about others not giving Wilson "his due" and yet Anthony, when you insist "Wilson is THE reason" you are in fact, not giving the proper amount of "due respect" to not just the other 52 men on the active roster, BUT, the coaches, FO, scouts, the 12's and just about every SINGLE person associated with the team and the organization, and yet feel like others are doing something wrong? WTF man?

[Anthony]

Sherman, Chancellor, and Thomas are 3 of probably the best Defensive back end in the league.
We saw how much better the Defense is with Kam than without, but we don't complain that he's not getting paid enough or getting enough attention.
The same with the others.

So we have a successful team that dominates on Defense and gets by on Offense. That's our basic identity.
It seems you think Wilson isn't getting his due, so how much credit for team success do you want Wilson to get for that?

Again not what I said, what I said was how come when there is a thread about Wilson and what he brings someone always has to make sure the defense is mentioned. How come they do not mention it with Lynch, Or mention Wilson or Lynch when giving props to the defense. That is the point. FYI There was a time we did complain about the attention the LOB was getting and how much they were getting paid, However now they are getting paid and getting the attention, and when they do no one mentions Wilson or Lynch. Same when we talk about Lynch no one mentions the defense or Wilson. But when we talk about Wilson and what he brings and does someone always has to say well yeah but the defense or yeah but Lynch.

Here is an idea how about when there is a thread about Wilson we keep it about Wilson and not try to lessen his importance and accomplishments by giving to the defense or Lynch. You know like you guys do with the defense and Lynch. Maybe then the media and other fans will stop as well.

[Anthony]

LOL. Anthony, "it's all Hasselbecks fault" circa 2009, " Nothing is Wilsons fault, and you all are not giving him his due credit!" circa 2015....

Get a grip Anthony, a discussion on a smallish message board that drifts to different topics within the same thread has NOTHING to do with "not giving Wilson "enough" credit" in fact( SAME as EVERY other topic on this board for the most part INCLUDING ones about Lynch or any other player on the team), I have seen little ( DAMN little) criticism of Wilson over the last three years, and a hell of a LOT more credit placed at his feet than ANY single player on this team, INCLUDING Lynch, Sherman, Thomas, Kearse, Baldwin, the O-Line, any defensive lineman, any LB ( EVERY player top to bottom of the roster), in your world the QB can do no wrong ( as long as they are one of your favorites, otherwise it's "no right") while others on the team no matter what are simply window dressing. You have insisted you played, yet often, it certainly doesn't come across that way. If Kearse, Baldwin aren't making the insane catches they are making, IS Wilson as effective? Nope. If Lynch isn't a threat, IS Wilson as effective? Nope. If the Defense can't stop anyone, IS Wilson as effective? Nope.There are more examples of Wilsons reliance on his teammates, and that IS a two way street. Without Wilson the OTHERS aren't as effective either. They feed on EACH other, and THAT not simply Wilson, is the reason they continue to excel.

You complain about others not giving Wilson "his due" and yet Anthony, when you insist "Wilson is THE reason" you are in fact, not giving the proper amount of "due respect" to not just the other 52 men on the active roster, BUT, the coaches, FO, scouts, the 12's and just about every SINGLE person associated with the team and the organization, and yet feel like others are doing something wrong? WTF man?

Dude as usual you are missing the point and have yet to address the proof. Why is it when a thread pops up talking about how great the defense or Lynch is we keep it about them. However when it is Wilson someone always bring sup Lynch or the defense? Until you recognize that is happening you are wasting your time, and my stance in correct.

[THX-1138]

I've read through a lot of the comments that seem to be of the "Wilson isn't the best QB in the league and doesn't deserve the contract that he might get" posts, yet I have failed to see one viable option.

I would be interested in knowing what the opinion is for that? A Wilson replacement, that is. Because if we don't pay the man, surely he will get paid by someone else. And then we will have saved a bunch of money, but then what? Is anyone on the defense good at signal calling? Can we get to the Super Bowl like that?

Being from Spokane I hear this sort of talk about Mark Few, coach of the Gonzaga Bulldogs. "He can't get them to a Final Four" "The Zags will never win it all while Few is coaching"

Yet nobody has an alternative. In both cases you have a leader who has taken their team to higher points than they have ever been, yet they need not be taken care of. While still in their prime. So, OK, let's not grant the RW contract that we suspect is coming down the pike.

What's Plan B?

[jshawaii22]

Maybe we could all agree that the Seattle Seahawks are a TEAM (like no other) and no one player is necessary the difference maker at this point.

Peyton Manning was the "difference maker" when Denver signed him. That's what all the media said. It's not enough in a game with 25 starters and 25+ backups, injuries, coaching decisions, etc.

the Team outweighs it all. And how do you represent one players contribution over another in this game? I can't see it. For instance, Byron Maxwell was the 24th rated DB last year, mainly because no one threw at Sherman. Does that make Byron at 'fault' for anything? No, but the 'stats don't lie'... or do they?

js

[Anthony]

I've read through a lot of the comments that seem to be of the "Wilson isn't the best QB in the league and doesn't deserve the contract that he might get" posts, yet I have failed to see one viable option.

I would be interested in knowing what the opinion is for that? A Wilson replacement, that is. Because if we don't pay the man, surely he will get paid by someone else. And then we will have saved a bunch of money, but then what? Is anyone on the defense good at signal calling? Can we get to the Super Bowl like that?

Being from Spokane I hear this sort of talk about Mark Few, coach of the Gonzaga Bulldogs. "He can't get them to a Final Four" "The Zags will never win it all while Few is coaching"

Yet nobody has an alternative. In both cases you have a leader who has taken their team to higher points than they have ever been, yet they need not be taken care of. While still in their prime. So, OK, let's not grant the RW contract that we suspect is coming down the pike.

What's Plan B?

All you have to do is read what has been written hear according to one person any QB would do. I mean in this very thread any attempt to give Wilson the credit he deserves has been countered with yeah but the defense. Now find me a thread about the defense getting credit and show me were anyone says yeah but Wilson.

[Anthony]

Maybe we could all agree that the Seattle Seahawks are a TEAM (like no other) and no one player is necessary the difference maker at this point.

Peyton Manning was the "difference maker" when Denver signed him. That's what all the media said. It's not enough in a game with 25 starters and 25+ backups, injuries, coaching decisions, etc.

the Team outweighs it all. And how do you represent one players contribution over another in this game? I can't see it. For instance, Byron Maxwell was the 24th rated DB last year, mainly because no one threw at Sherman. Does that make Byron at 'fault' for anything? No, but the 'stats don't lie'... or do they?

js

The point of this is whenever there is a thread about Lynch or the Defense there is no mention of any one else. The thread stays on topic giving the defense the credit they deserve, that does not mean others are not important just the thread is about the defense and what they bring. The same with Lynch. However, as shown in this thread, whenever a thread about Wilson happens giving him credit someone always mentions the defense and or Lynch. Down playing Wilsons contributions. Then those same people get upset when the media and other fans do the same. The point is this thread was about Wilson no need to mention the defense. The other issue is there are difference makers on this team. On defense it is the LOB on Offense it is Wilson and Lynch. Can we win if anyone of them are gone? Yeah, are we serious contenders for an SB? NO Can we make the playoffs without one of them, maybe depends which ones.

[Hawktown]

WOW!!! Way to hijack a thread with nonsense!!!

[THX-1138]

All you have to do is read what has been written hear according to one person any QB would do. I mean in this very thread any attempt to give Wilson the credit he deserves has been countered with yeah but the defense. Now find me a thread about the defense getting credit and show me were anyone says yeah but Wilson.

Exactly.

[HumanCockroach]

Anthony,

I'm not missing anything. When Lynch possible retirement came up, some were of the opinion we should move on from him, and that we could use the money to resign Wagner and Wilson, and yet NO ONE started claiming a " lack of appreciation" for Lynch because of it. People discussing OTHER players the want resigned happens in EVERY thread of this nature and not one peep from anyone about not giving them the proper credit, that is reserved for ONLY Wilson threads and ONLY by you.

[c_hawkbob]

I've read through a lot of the comments that seem to be of the "Wilson isn't the best QB in the league and doesn't deserve the contract that he might get" posts, yet I have failed to see one viable option.

I would be interested in knowing what the opinion is for that? A Wilson replacement, that is. Because if we don't pay the man, surely he will get paid by someone else. And then we will have saved a bunch of money, but then what? Is anyone on the defense good at signal calling? Can we get to the Super Bowl like that?

Being from Spokane I hear this sort of talk about Mark Few, coach of the Gonzaga Bulldogs. "He can't get them to a Final Four" "The Zags will never win it all while Few is coaching"

Yet nobody has an alternative. In both cases you have a leader who has taken their team to higher points than they have ever been, yet they need not be taken care of. While still in their prime. So, OK, let's not grant the RW contract that we suspect is coming down the pike.

What's Plan B?

No interest at all in a plan B, Russ will get signed before training camp, and when that contract is a year from expiring he'll get signed again. He's gonna be a Seahawk for a long time.

As for becoming the highest paid player in the NFL, that'll last till the next big QB signing and when Luck signs a year from now Wilson's contract will look like a bargain.

[Anthony]

Anthony,

I'm not missing anything. When Lynch possible retirement came up, some were of the opinion we should move on from him, and that we could use the money to resign Wagner and Wilson, and yet NO ONE started claiming a " lack of appreciation" for Lynch because of it. People discussing OTHER players the want resigned happens in EVERY thread of this nature and not one peep from anyone about not giving them the proper credit, that is reserved for ONLY Wilson threads and ONLY by you.

Again that was about him retiring not about a thread of how great he is or how important he is. Apples and oranges. Again the proof is right in this thread. We talked about Wilson and how important he is and some bring up the defense and one says any QB could do. Really

[NorthHawk]

Ohh, waaa we aren't paying enough attention to poor unloved Russell Wilson.
I've got a feeling he will be handsomely compensated before the season starts.

[obiken]

Trade up take Mariota, Marcus has the map, back to the Super bowl!

[Anthony]

Ohh, waaa we aren't paying enough attention to poor unloved Russell Wilson.
I've got a feeling he will be handsomely compensated before the season starts.

as usual you miss the point LOL

[NorthHawk]

You really have an obsession about Wilson, Anthony.
Woe be to anyone who doesn't pay enough homage to his greatness and grovel at his mere mention.

[HumanCockroach]

Dude as usual you are missing the point and have yet to address the proof. Why is it when a thread pops up talking about how great the defense or Lynch is we keep it about them. However when it is Wilson someone always bring sup Lynch or the defense? Until you recognize that is happening you are wasting your time, and my stance in correct.

Am I Anthony? EVERY thread for the last two seasons about resigning a player whether it be Maxwell just this off-season, on Browner, or Avril,or Bennett or name them Wilson's name came up . Why? Wan't that the same exact thing? But because it was not Wilson it did not matter to you. Hell he's pretty much gone or injured in your opinion anyway, so why all the fuss?

[Anthony]

You really have an obsession about Wilson, Anthony.
Woe be to anyone who doesn't pay enough homage to his greatness and grovel at his mere mention.

again your clueless