Mike Florio starting trouble

[Anthony]

Russell Wilson concludes every interview with “Go Hawks,” but the inability for both sides to reach a deal leads Mike Florio to believe the player may be beginning to become the “me-first” type.


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... st-player/

[Hawktawk]

Hes definitely trying to stir the pot, trying to use Wilsons rah rah team first attitude as a reason to bash him for wanting to be paid what he is worth. He wants to be the best, he believes he can be the best, and he works to be the best all the time. And it could be argued that he is the best being an all time record holder for wins in his first 3 seaons. Thats a reason to want him to GB for a long time here. What about him wanting to get paid makes him a "me first" player. If he signed some lousy deal he would be STUPID, not a team first guy.

[c_hawkbob]

Selling copy.

[HumanCockroach]

Selling copy.

This. Same as last season's tripe.

[Vegaseahawk]

I didn't even bother to click on the link. Not worth the waste of time.

[burrrton]

Selling copy.

This++

[Futureite]

I didn't see anything wrong with what Florino said. He said it's OK to be a businessman, OK to be the ultimate team player, but you cannot be both. He even drew comparisons to Peyton Manning, who is of course regarded to have sterling character.

The longer this drags on, the more it reflects upon the unrealistic perception of his character. It's an indictment more of the common fan than it is of Russell Wilson.

[NorthHawk]

Like I said before, it's the business game now, not what we see on the field.

My admittedly baseless guess is at this stage of the negotiations the FO is offering Kaepernick + money and terms and Wilsons Agents are asking for Flacco + terms.
Somewhere the lines will cross as each side gives and takes.

[jshawaii22]

Future... "The longer it DRAGS ON"??? it's only been able to 'drag' from the end of the last football season! Christ, it been a couple of months. Come back a year from now, when we have had to throw the dreaded Franchise Tag on him and then you can use the term "Drags On"

js

[RiverDog]

Future... "The longer it DRAGS ON"??? it's only been able to 'drag' from the end of the last football season! Christ, it been a couple of months. Come back a year from now, when we have had to throw the dreaded Franchise Tag on him and then you can use the term "Drags On"

js

Yea, Future, it's not "dragging on". We extended Sherman and Thomas's contracts around this time of year last season, and this one with Russell is more complicated and has the potential of being the largest in the history of the game. If we get into August and he's still unsigned, then you can claim that it is "dragging on". There is no urgency at this point to get a deal done.

[burrrton]

Why, it's almost as if Future had a pre-determined 'hot take' and didn't care if the actual circumstances fit.

[Futureite]

Lol wow guys, I was just using a figure of speech. True, it may not drag on at all. But if/when it does, the more it reflects upon fan perception, rather than RW himself. This is what I meant.

It's understandable that a player would want to be compensated based upon his market value, especially at the peak of his career. I think what Florino said is accurate though; it's nearly impossible to be a businessman and an "ultimate" team player at the same time. It is easy to be the ultimate team player when you have no other option but to do so and the terms of your contract are fixed. In a contract yr outside of the rookie constrictions, things obviously change.

[Anthony]

Why, it's almost as if Future had a pre-determined 'hot take' and didn't care if the actual circumstances fit.

Of course he did. its easy for him whatever happens that involves the Hawks he puts a negative spin on it. That's what trolls do.

[Futureite]

What I posted is not really negative or spin. Just reality. I wouldn't begrudge RW for getting paid. But would I throw it back at you after all of the character judgements pro and against RW and rival QBs, respectively? Before, I may have, during the time when I thought I could rationally argue such things and make points without being called a troll.

Now? That comparison holds no value for me. So instead, I simply analyzed Florio's commentary as I saw it. It thought it was fine.

[burrrton]

I think what Florino said is accurate though; it's nearly impossible to be a businessman and an "ultimate" team player at the same time.

And that's why you're both being ridiculed- you don't have to agree to play for free and/or not negotiate a good deal for yourself to be an "ultimate team player" by *any* reasonable definition.

You're transparently aggravated by the fact that RW has been the "ultimate team player", so you cling to any critical story about him, no matter how nonsensical, like grim death.

At this point, there is nothing to indicate this negotiation is anything outside the realm of normal for the NFL. You may get your chance to crow about RW's selfishness later- see if you can avoid jumping the gun again until then.

[Anthony]

And that's why you're both being ridiculed- you don't have to agree to play for free and/or not negotiate a good deal for yourself to be an "ultimate team player" by *any* reasonable definition.

You're transparently aggravated by the fact that RW has been the "ultimate team player", so you cling to any critical story about him, no matter how nonsensical, like grim death.

At this point, there is nothing to indicate this negotiation is anything outside the realm of normal for the NFL. You may get your chance to crow about RW's selfishness later- see if you can avoid jumping the gun again until then.

The sad part is not matter what deal Wilsons signs, no matter how team friendly it is, Future will try to spin it to were it was not enough, or some stupid thing like that, or just lie like he has before.

[Futureite]

Burrton;

I think Wilson's a good teammate and probably an ideal leader in terms of work ethic. But the premise posited and which I have argued against is that he possesses these qualities in spades over other QBs. And that obviously includes the QB who I root for.

I did notice the headline that your organization is attempting to offer Wilson the exact same contract that Kaepernick accepted. Thus far, Wilson will not agree to it. I do believe this refutes the claim that one organization "trusts" their guy and the other does not. I posted before that every organization would try to offer the floor, hoping the QB would accept. Most of you disagreed. Yet, it's happening right now in the PNW.

And, I also posted that Kaepernick could have done exactly what Wilson is doing now, and refuse the offer, play out his final yr and entertain other offers. But instead, he signed. He did in fact have free choice to roll the dice on himself or refuse to sign, and that cannot be debated. Yet we did debate that here, because it obviously painted the contract in the worst possible light.

So again, let's see if Wilson wants to allow his team to resign players in the future, or he wants Rodgers money. You seem to know the answer, but I don't. There's nothing negative at all about a QB seeking his market worth. Nothing. But make no mistake, it is NOT an "ultimate" team player move, by even the most liberal definition.

[burrrton]

You seem to know the answer, but I don't.

Uh, you're reversing the situation here, chief. *You're* the one pretending you know what's going on:

"I did notice the headline that your organization is attempting to offer Wilson the exact same contract that Kaepernick accepted. Thus far, Wilson will not agree to it."

"And, I also posted that Kaepernick could have done exactly what Wilson is doing now, and refuse the offer, play out his final yr and entertain other offers. "

But make no mistake, it is NOT an "ultimate" team player move, by even the most liberal definition.

Sorry, Future- negotiating a good contract neither supports nor refutes his 'team player' status.

Again, it may end up that RW insisted on ass-raping the team with the terms of his contract, but we know nothing about either side's demands right now, and the timeframe in which this is taking place is bog standard NFL business.

As I said, your challenge is to see if you can hold off until you actually know something. Based on your track record, I'm not optimistic you'll succeed.

[Futureite]

Burrton;

I know this much:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... ions-apart

Definition of Ultimate:

noun
1.
the best achievable or imaginable of its kind.

Sorry, if you're looking for the biggest contract possible, there is no possible way that you are the "best achievable or imaginable" teammate.

Don't blame me. You built this guy up to be the Jesus Christ of NFL QBs, not me. It's your standard and the definition of the word "ultimate" that you're arguing against now, not mine. I've always said he's around the 10-12is range of QBs in terms of talent, and he's got good character. I see nothing wrong with him wanting to get paid. It's the most logical and intelligent thing to do, and one could rationally state that Kap F'd himself and was a fool to sign the same deal being offered to RW. If the report is true, looks like my take was/is a lot closer than yours.

[burrrton]

Resorting to semantic arguments. Great.

No, pedant, "ultimate" as it's being used here is not literal. Otherwise, insisting on being paid *at all* would disprove the claim. From earlier:

"you don't have to agree to play for free and/or not negotiate a good deal for yourself to be an "ultimate team player" by *any* reasonable definition"

That you're now posting the definition of "ultimate" for everyone says volumes about how confident you are in your position.

You built this guy up to be the Jesus Christ of NFL QBs, not me.

Huh?? Even if we have done that, do you grok that nothing we know for sure in this situation indicates otherwise??

So let me say again: see if you can keep your chubby in check until we know RW has done something selfish. He may well give you your chance.*

[Anthony]

Resorting to semantic arguments. Great.

No, pedant, "ultimate" as it's being used here is not literal. Otherwise, insisting on being paid *at all* would disprove the claim. From earlier:

"you don't have to agree to play for free and/or not negotiate a good deal for yourself to be an "ultimate team player" by *any* reasonable definition"

That you're now posting the definition of "ultimate" for everyone says volumes about how confident you are in your position.



Huh?? Even if we have done that, do you grok that nothing we know for sure in this situation indicates otherwise??

So let me say again: see if you can keep your chubby in check until we know RW has done something selfish. He may well give you your chance.*

Lots of speculation but nothing to show he is anything other than what he is. Hawks offer an extension of 4 years 80 mil which is really 5 years 81 mil or 16 mil a year, and he want something different, We do not know what though. Maybe its more years not money. Who knows. The reality is we do not eve know for sure the offer was 4 years 80 mil. If I were future and than god I am not, I would wait till we have facts before I opened my mouth. You might end up looking like a bigger idiot than you already are.

[Futureite]

The definition is literal. Like any definition, it requires context and not some absurd hyperbole that you're attaching to it in that hypothetical example. We all know there is a range of reasonable "ultimate" X, Y and Z in football or any subject in which that adjective is used. My primary point was that it's obvious the Hawks are at the very least offering a contract that is structured similar to the one Kaepernick accepted. We can argue just how far apart the two sides are or how *much more RW wants, but it's been established (within reason) that the two sides don't agree, for now.

Most people jested at Kaep's contract and in my posted opinion, spun it as a negative whereby our organization didn't trust him, which indicated that his "true" market value was not that of Cutler's, etc. I posted he had the decision to take it or reject it, and on at least some level he made a "team friendly" decision to help his guys out.

That opinion was flatly rejected here, but I can see you are not opposed to pulling a 180 if in fact it is true that your team is offering a similar deal and your QB is doing the opposite and rejecting it.

As you said, time will tell here. RW deserved to get paid, and there's not a thing wrong with it. But at least be consistent.

[burrrton]

The definition is literal.

LOL. Ok, back on mute for you, pedant. Jeezus.

[Futureite]

If you had the ability to think beyond a 12 yr old, you'd understand that a literal definition of that word (or any adjective) still has reasonable constraints.

For example, using a literal definition, I can logically say Michael Jordan was the "ultimate scorer" even though he did not score literally everytime he touched the basketball.

Just amazes me how so many dumb FN people believe they are so intelligent. Everyday.

[Anthony]

Wow a troll talking to himself is all there is on this thread. Let me guess Future says "Wilson bad, Kap good". Well at lest he really believes his stuff, that is good since he is the only one who does.