McCoy: Give me Revis over Sherman

[burrrton]

In an interview on Sirius XM's "Evan & Phillips" on Thursday, McCoy -- the star running back of the Philadelphia Eagles, who led the NFL in rushing this season -- was asked to name a player he would not want on his team.

"Sherman," McCoy said, adding, "I would take Darrelle Revis, he's better."

I'm going out on a limb and saying that's why it's a safe bet McCoy won't be coaching or GM'ing in the future. Didn't Revis' team release him for non-performance (admittedly in combination with his salary)?


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[Distant Relative]

Fantasy Island lasted longer than Revis Island.

Just sayin.

[Irish Greg 2.0]

McCoy is ignorant.

[HumanCockroach]

Revis wasn't released, he was traded ( and yes because of money) and the Jets got great return on him. Not saying I would take an older player with a major injury, and a huge paycheck coming along with less effective play ( at least the last three years, though to be fair the knee injury certainly has/had something to do with that) over Sherman....

Anyone saying they would make that choice is simply either ignorant or stupid.

[Futureite]

Revis wasn't released, he was traded ( and yes because of money) and the Jets got great return on him. Not saying I would take an older player with a major injury, and a huge paycheck coming along with less effective play ( at least the last three years, though to be fair the knee injury certainly has/had something to do with that) over Sherman....

Anyone saying they would make that choice is simply either ignorant or stupid.

Actually if you compare their stats, the two had nearly identical yrs other than ints - and that is with Revis coming off major knee surgery on a team whose D is constantly on the field due to a putred O. Then I look at Byron Maxwell picking 4 balls in 4 games, Malcolm Smith (a lb) picking 4 balls in 4 or 5 starts, including playoffs. I think any player in your D secondary going to opps at turnovers due to their team speed and pass rush, which was amongst the best in the NFL. Not to diminish what Sherman accomplished, but both players have to be viewed on their teams and what they are asked to do.

[monkey]

Man Sherman must be sitting back and just LAUGHING at all of this! He and his teammates know what's up. I've yet to hear a single Seahawks player say a single bad word about Sherman, they love the guy.
Mind games, and they're working too! Look at how much he's gotten into Kaepernick's head. He's got half the NFL hating him some not sure what to make of him, some defending him a little, and ALL of them thinking about and talking about him.
Exactly where he wants them!
And someone said he's not Ali?
LOL! Yeah, right.
How does a third year player (two year starter) who gets targeted less than any other corner over the last two seasons lead the NFL in INT's over the last two seasons?
BECAUSE HE'S THE BEST CORNER IN THE NFL!!!
He can say it because it's true.

[HumanCockroach]

Revis wasn't released, he was traded ( and yes because of money) and the Jets got great return on him. Not saying I would take an older player with a major injury, and a huge paycheck coming along with less effective play ( at least the last three years, though to be fair the knee injury certainly has/had something to do with that) over Sherman....

Anyone saying they would make that choice is simply either ignorant or stupid.

Actually if you compare their stats, the two had nearly identical yrs other than ints - and that is with Revis coming off major knee surgery on a team whose D is constantly on the field due to a putred O. Then I look at Byron Maxwell picking 4 balls in 4 games, Malcolm Smith (a lb) picking 4 balls in 4 or 5 starts, including playoffs. I think any player in your D secondary going to opps at turnovers due to their team speed and pass rush, which was amongst the best in the NFL. Not to diminish what Sherman accomplished, but both players have to be viewed on their teams and what they are asked to do.

Be sure let us know when you feel like providing those stats, now if you would like to say that the stats were "comparable" between Maxwell and Sherman since he became a starter, you would be accurate, Revis, not so much ( and an FYI there hasn't been a two season stretch in Revis' career, where his production has been "almost identical", including his Revis Island time).

Continue to doubt. Continue to profess otherwise, the fact is Revis hasn't measured up, in FAR more categories than simply the picks you want to ignore, to be fair though the ONE thing that can be said about Revis is he followed the #1 receiver around the field, something Sherman doesn't do, course, he doesn't NEED too, as the other defensive backs are starter, pro bowl caliber DB's themselves ( as I explained BEFORE the season) so Seattle doesn't need to do that.

[Futureite]

Revis wasn't released, he was traded ( and yes because of money) and the Jets got great return on him. Not saying I would take an older player with a major injury, and a huge paycheck coming along with less effective play ( at least the last three years, though to be fair the knee injury certainly has/had something to do with that) over Sherman....

Anyone saying they would make that choice is simply either ignorant or stupid.

Actually if you compare their stats, the two had nearly identical yrs other than ints - and that is with Revis coming off major knee surgery on a team whose D is constantly on the field due to a putred O. Then I look at Byron Maxwell picking 4 balls in 4 games, Malcolm Smith (a lb) picking 4 balls in 4 or 5 starts, including playoffs. I think any player in your D secondary going to opps at turnovers due to their team speed and pass rush, which was amongst the best in the NFL. Not to diminish what Sherman accomplished, but both players have to be viewed on their teams and what they are asked to do.

Be sure let us know when you feel like providing those stats, now if you would like to say that the stats were "comparable" between Maxwell and Sherman since he became a starter, you would be accurate, Revis, not so much ( and an FYI there hasn't been a two season stretch in Revis' career, where his production has been "almost identical", including his Revis Island time).

Continue to doubt. Continue to profess otherwise, the fact is Revis hasn't measured up, in FAR more categories than simply the picks you want to ignore, to be fair though the ONE thing that can be said about Revis is he followed the #1 receiver around the field, something Sherman doesn't do, course, he doesn't NEED too, as the other defensive backs are starter, pro
bowl caliber DB's themselves ( as I explained BEFORE the season) so Seattle doesn't need to do that.

Well that whole following a #1 receiver thing is pretty important lol. I mean you have one of the best pass rushes in the NFL and you ask Sherman to mug whomever he lines up against. But if the QB gets any time it's been proven that he will get beat deep. That closing speed is why I've continually said I'd rather have Revis. I think Randy Moss in his prime would have toasted Sherman, yet Revis completely eliminated him from several games.

Sherman has great ball skills, great insticts and he's excellent at what he does. But if you want the stats go to profootballfocus.com. They provide indepth ratings of all corners and even have several articles comparing the two side by side. When I watch Sherman lock down a top 3 wr like Revis has I'll prob hold him in the same regard as you do. Right now I'm not seeing a Deion type force, just as I'm not seeing a Lawrence Taylor type force in Aldon Smith despite his gaudy numbers. When I see Sherman dominate a game himself then I'll change my opinion.

[HumanCockroach]

No, you won't. It isn't how you operate. You don't like Sherman, and you never will. ( and you have made that abundantly clear with dig after dig, hell you managed even in that little blurb). Doesn't matter, when Sherman gets where he is going, you will STILL refuse to acknowledge it. It is how you work.

[Futureite]

No, you won't. It isn't how you operate. You don't like Sherman, and you never will. ( and you have made that abundantly clear with dig after dig, hell you managed even in that little blurb). Doesn't matter, when Sherman gets where he is going, you will STILL refuse to acknowledge it. It is how you work.

No, actually I will. I can separate the person from the player based upon performance.

Sherman is a football player. He knows how to find the ball and has instinct to make gamechanging plays (blocked fg return v us in 2012, game tying int V Hou, game winning tip in NFCCCG). He is def one of the best corners in the game, top 3 but as a pure corner I do not see domination. If he can lock down DT I'd say he would have a real legit claim at #1. You are asking me to admit something I don't see. Lynch = domination when I see it. Grinds yds, can break big runs, catches balls, changes game and puts team on his back. Sherman = a player that is good at what he does when I see it.

And I'm not a personal fan because unless you are like Michael Jackson, Wayne Gretsky or David Copperfield I don't need you to constantly tell me how much better you are than everyone else. I'll know who's best at what they do when I see it.

[HumanCockroach]

No, you won't. It isn't how you operate. You don't like Sherman, and you never will. ( and you have made that abundantly clear with dig after dig, hell you managed even in that little blurb). Doesn't matter, when Sherman gets where he is going, you will STILL refuse to acknowledge it. It is how you work.

No, actually I will. I can separate the person from the player based upon performance.

Sherman is a football player. He knows how to find the ball and has instinct to make gamechanging plays (blocked fg return v us in 2012, game tying int V Hou, game winning tip in NFCCCG). He is def one of the best corners in the game, top 3 but as a pure corner I do not see domination. If he can lock down DT I'd say he would have a real legit claim at #1. You are asking me to admit something I don't see. Lynch = domination when I see it. Grinds yds, can break big runs, catches balls, changes game and puts team on his back. Sherman = a player that is good at what he does when I see it.

And I'm not a personal fan because unless you are like Michael Jackson, Wayne Gretsky or David Copperfield I don't need you to constantly tell me how much better you are than everyone else. I'll know who's best at what they do when I see it.

And another dig there at an end..... sometimes I really do wonder if you even know you are being a troll... Time to get to the eye doctor. Place all the credence on the "follow" method, claim muggings, and express what you "see", continue to be one of VERY few that don't see it all you want, I'll trust my 30 years of experience with the position, along with the actually statistical analysis, and professional judges of ability. Could care less how long you remain in the dark about it.

[Seahawker]

Whoa! Pump the brakes a little.
Now that the Hawks have really hit the bigtime, there's going to be a lot of comparison and debate going on.
When someone like LeSean McCoy or anyone noteworthy makes a misinformed, oblivious statement such as this, it should be fostered, protected even nurtured. Don't lash back with words like ignorant, idiot.
These are the type of guys that allow us to draft a franchise QB in the 3rd round, an all-pro CB in the 5th and how many others?

The correct response would be, "Yeah, I'd have Sherman 1A and Revis 1B." (wink-wink)
Or, "I just like Sherman cuz I'm a Seahawk fan." (wink-wink)

God forbid these boneheaded moron's (I mean knowledgeable experts) ever wipe the drool off their collective chin's and start drafting players at the top of our draft board a few slots or a round above us.
Then they'll even start building teams to compete with and maybe even beat us.

Walk softly and carry a big stick. Sherman's all talk & Revis rocks. (wink-wink)

[Zorn76]

McCoy?

Who cares.

[RiverDog]

That's not a completely outrageous thing to say. Prior to Sherman's arrival on the scene, Revis was the almost undisputed best cornerback in the game, so it shouldn't be surprising to us that he still generates that kind of respect. Plus we have to keep in mind that Sherman's antics might have the tendency to bias opinions of his play by those that could be just a little bit jealous of his/our success so we shouldn't be stunned that an opponent would rate him a little lower than we might.

[Hawktawk]

Really Slim? Maybe its sour grapes because you got handled at home by the Aints, handing them their first ever road playoff win. Thats the same Saints Sherman and Seattle abused not once but twice this year. Your probably not the best person to offer an opinion on the best corner in the game. As with teams, you are what your record says you are. Sherman has 20 picks over the past 2 seasons.Sherm backs it up and his teammates love him. Go ahead and pine for an old used up Revis who is equally as cocky as Sherman and has never been as dominant.

[monkey]

Whoa! Pump the brakes a little.
Now that the Hawks have really hit the bigtime, there's going to be a lot of comparison and debate going on.
When someone like LeSean McCoy or anyone noteworthy makes a misinformed, oblivious statement such as this, it should be fostered, protected even nurtured. Don't lash back with words like ignorant, idiot.
These are the type of guys that allow us to draft a franchise QB in the 3rd round, an all-pro CB in the 5th and how many others?

The correct response would be, "Yeah, I'd have Sherman 1A and Revis 1B." (wink-wink)
Or, "I just like Sherman cuz I'm a Seahawk fan." (wink-wink)

God forbid these boneheaded moron's (I mean knowledgeable experts) ever wipe the drool off their collective chin's and start drafting players at the top of our draft board a few slots or a round above us.
Then they'll even start building teams to compete with and maybe even beat us.

Walk softly and carry a big stick. Sherman's all talk & Revis rocks. (wink-wink)

Interesting way of looking at it, though unless they have a Pete and John, they're not going to draft the right guys anyway. Still though, you make a good point.

[monkey]

That's not a completely outrageous thing to say. Prior to Sherman's arrival on the scene, Revis was the almost undisputed best cornerback in the game, so it shouldn't be surprising to us that he still generates that kind of respect. Plus we have to keep in mind that Sherman's antics might have the tendency to bias opinions of his play by those that could be just a little bit jealous of his/our success so we shouldn't be stunned that an opponent would rate him a little lower than we might.

He was the undisputed blah blah blah, LARGELY because his coach and the East coast media wouldn't stop telling everyone how great he was. He is a great coverage corner, better than Sherman at shadowing his guy in fact, but he's NOT the best corner anymore.
Now people are making excuses for him (it's almost cute it's so ridiculous)Tampa's scheme isn't as good (whaaa whaaa) he was hurt, (hey, injuries are a part of the game, just ask Percy Harvin).

As Sherman keep s saying, the film and stats speak for themselves, Sherman was the least targeted corner in the NFL this year, and still led the league in picks. It doesn't get any better than that.
Revis may be better at shadowing a receiver (I would say he is) but he's not even CLOSE to as good at making big plays on the ball, at goading stupid QB's into throwing his way so that he can make the pick.
He's doing something no other CB can do, he's both making whichever receiver ventures onto his side disappear AND is still making plays. How?
He's the best corner in the game, that's how.

[Hawktawk]

That's not a completely outrageous thing to say. Prior to Sherman's arrival on the scene, Revis was the almost undisputed best cornerback in the game, so it shouldn't be surprising to us that he still generates that kind of respect. Plus we have to keep in mind that Sherman's antics might have the tendency to bias opinions of his play by those that could be just a little bit jealous of his/our success so we shouldn't be stunned that an opponent would rate him a little lower than we might.

He was the undisputed blah blah blah, LARGELY because his coach and the East coast media wouldn't stop telling everyone how great he was. He is a great coverage corner, better than Sherman at shadowing his guy in fact, but he's NOT the best corner anymore.
Now people are making excuses for him (it's almost cute it's so ridiculous)Tampa's scheme isn't as good (whaaa whaaa) he was hurt, (hey, injuries are a part of the game, just ask Percy Harvin).

As Sherman keep s saying, the film and stats speak for themselves, Sherman was the least targeted corner in the NFL this year, and still led the league in picks. It doesn't get any better than that.
Revis may be better at shadowing a receiver (I would say he is) but he's not even CLOSE to as good at making big plays on the ball, at goading stupid QB's into throwing his way so that he can make the pick.
He's doing something no other CB can do, he's both making whichever receiver ventures onto his side disappear AND is still making plays. How?
He's the best corner in the game, that's how.

Exactly. He was targeted twice in the championship game, drawing a holding call on a play Crabtree appeared to push off on first ala last years Super Bowl and then we all saw how it ended. Hes the best combination of cover guy and explosive play-maker we have seen in the league in a long time.

[Futureite]

No, you won't. It isn't how you operate. You don't like Sherman, and you never will. ( and you have made that abundantly clear with dig after dig, hell you managed even in that little blurb). Doesn't matter, when Sherman gets where he is going, you will STILL refuse to acknowledge it. It is how you work.

No, actually I will. I can separate the person from the player based upon performance.

Sherman is a football player. He knows how to find the ball and has instinct to make gamechanging plays (blocked fg return v us in 2012, game tying int V Hou, game winning tip in NFCCCG). He is def one of the best corners in the game, top 3 but as a pure corner I do not see domination. If he can lock down DT I'd say he would have a real legit claim at #1. You are asking me to admit something I don't see. Lynch = domination when I see it. Grinds yds, can break big runs, catches balls, changes game and puts team on his back. Sherman = a player that is good at what he does when I see it.

And I'm not a personal fan because unless you are like Michael Jackson, Wayne Gretsky or David Copperfield I don't need you to constantly tell me how much better you are than everyone else. I'll know who's best at what they do when I see it.

And another dig there at an end..... sometimes I really do wonder if you even know you are being a troll... Time to get to the eye doctor. Place all the credence on the "follow" method, claim muggings, and express what you "see", continue to be one of VERY few that don't see it all you want, I'll trust my 30 years of experience with the position, along with the actually statistical analysis, and professional judges of ability. Could care less how long you remain in the dark about it.

Lol oh ya, "you're a troll" is always your default position with me. Jasin Babin posted 18.5 sacks one yr, Chris Johnson posted 2,000 + 1,4000+yd seasons, Wes Welker was nobody on the Dolohins before he met Tom and Peyton. You can star quote all you like but when I see White or even Boldin go over the top on him and a yellow flag come out in almost every game I see him play, I don't think "that guy is amazing", just like I did not see CJ or Babin as amazing. Babin got sacks, CJ wasa homerun hitter. I posted that he is top 3, but again, you want everyone to see what you do, and you see a guy that is better than Deion.

A lot of people believe(d) Aldon only gets sacks or disappears V great tackles. Though I disagree - and think that's ridiculous - the people thar called out the 2 man stunt game with Justin Smith had a legit complaint. I never called them out as trolls. You just cannot admit how your guy plays lol. That's your issue not mine.

[Irish Greg 2.0]

That's not a completely outrageous thing to say. Prior to Sherman's arrival on the scene, Revis was the almost undisputed best cornerback in the game, so it shouldn't be surprising to us that he still generates that kind of respect. Plus we have to keep in mind that Sherman's antics might have the tendency to bias opinions of his play by those that could be just a little bit jealous of his/our success so we shouldn't be stunned that an opponent would rate him a little lower than we might.

If McCoy was talking about the 2009 Revis, it's not outrageous. But he said he'd take him over Sherman now, which is ludicrous.

McCoy is confusing his animosity towards Sherman with the reality that Sherman is the best CB in the game now.

[burrrton]

But if the QB gets any time it's been proven that he will get beat deep.

LOL. Don't ever change, Future. You're nothing if not entertaining.

[burrrton]

For the record, I didn't mean my OP to indicate I thought Revis was a stiff or something, just that I thought it was accepted that he is in the twilight of his career, that he's lost a step compared to his heyday, etc.

Maybe I'm wrong about that- I don't watch him or whatever team he's been pawned off on now.

[HumanCockroach]

No, actually I will. I can separate the person from the player based upon performance.

Sherman is a football player. He knows how to find the ball and has instinct to make gamechanging plays (blocked fg return v us in 2012, game tying int V Hou, game winning tip in NFCCCG). He is def one of the best corners in the game, top 3 but as a pure corner I do not see domination. If he can lock down DT I'd say he would have a real legit claim at #1. You are asking me to admit something I don't see. Lynch = domination when I see it. Grinds yds, can break big runs, catches balls, changes game and puts team on his back. Sherman = a player that is good at what he does when I see it.

And I'm not a personal fan because unless you are like Michael Jackson, Wayne Gretsky or David Copperfield I don't need you to constantly tell me how much better you are than everyone else. I'll know who's best at what they do when I see it.[/quote]

And another dig there at an end..... sometimes I really do wonder if you even know you are being a troll... Time to get to the eye doctor. Place all the credence on the "follow" method, claim muggings, and express what you "see", continue to be one of VERY few that don't see it all you want, I'll trust my 30 years of experience with the position, along with the actually statistical analysis, and professional judges of ability. Could care less how long you remain in the dark about it.[/quote]

Lol oh ya, "you're a troll" is always your default position with me. Jasin Babin posted 18.5 sacks one yr, Chris Johnson posted 2,000 + 1,4000+yd seasons, Wes Welker was nobody on the Dolohins before he met Tom and Peyton. You can star quote all you like but when I see White or even Boldin go over the top on him and a yellow flag come out in almost every game I see him play, I don't think "that guy is amazing", just like I did not see CJ or Babin as amazing. Babin got sacks, CJ wasa homerun hitter. I posted that he is top 3, but again, you want everyone to see what you do, and you see a guy that is better than Deion.

A lot of people believe(d) Aldon only gets sacks or disappears V great tackles. Though I disagree - and think that's ridiculous - the people thar called out the 2 man stunt game with Justin Smith had a legit complaint. I never called them out as trolls. You just cannot admit how your guy plays lol. That's your issue not mine.[/quote]

Sure I can, better completion percentage against than ANY CB in history over a two year span, the most passes defensed over the last two years, 1 less interception in 2 years, Revis has garnered in 7 seasons, and that done with an average pass attempts against that averages 2.8 per game. You can continue to use your "follow" theory, it's flawed, and stupid, but be my guest. As for the "troll" thing, it IS what you are, period. Anyone that goes on another teams board to incite negative feelings, anger or reactions, with LIES, misrepresentations, half truths and cherry picked information, inaccurate information and ignore arguments or statements that prove such statements false, and does it for YEARS, is by DEFINITION a TROLL. Hence it isn't a position, it is a fact.

I actually was being GENEROUS in that post, saying you might not know you are trolling, which is a hell of a lot better than doing so on purpose, IMHO. But hell if you want to own it, be my guest... TROLL.

[RiverDog]

That's not a completely outrageous thing to say. Prior to Sherman's arrival on the scene, Revis was the almost undisputed best cornerback in the game, so it shouldn't be surprising to us that he still generates that kind of respect. Plus we have to keep in mind that Sherman's antics might have the tendency to bias opinions of his play by those that could be just a little bit jealous of his/our success so we shouldn't be stunned that an opponent would rate him a little lower than we might.

If McCoy was talking about the 2009 Revis, it's not outrageous. But he said he'd take him over Sherman now, which is ludicrous.

McCoy is confusing his animosity towards Sherman with the reality that Sherman is the best CB in the game now.

McCoy hasn't really played against Sherman. He has played against Revis, so it's plausible to assume that he's making his evaluation based on his experience playing against Revis. He may not have seen that much film of Sherman because he's so involved with his job of preparing for next week's opponent and thus isn't in the best position to pass judgment. Too close to the trees to see the forest. Nevertheless, it is his opinion, and we have to take it at face value.

But I do agree that there's the possibility that McCoy is a bit jealous of all the attention Sherman is receiving and that it could affect his opinion.

It's all a moot point anyway. Who gives a rip what a running back from a team we haven't played in three years thinks about Richard Sherman?