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The Seattle Effect

Postby c_hawkbob » Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:48 pm

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Re: The Seattle Effect

Postby monkey » Mon Feb 03, 2014 10:22 pm

The problem for teams is, it may be a blueprint they would LIKE to follow, but there's just not time to.
It took Pete and John four years and a RECORD number of roster moves to get the kind of team we have now.
That and it took a LOT of trust between the two, when John tells Pete that he has this short kid in mind for QB named Russell Wilson. It takes an incredible amount of getting it exactly right when it comes to ALL the personnel evaluations...it's not luck we are here, it was skill, and having a VERY specific plan, and VERY specific design specs.
Pete not only knew exactly what he was looking for in terms of talent, he was also flexible enough to adjust, so as to allow players with specific useful skills, a cance to utilize those skills in meaningful ways.
Always compete works, and it is the single most important part of Pete's blueprint, so in order to copy the blueprint, it would HAVE to start by plagiarizing Pete's always compete philosophy, because it's too integral to his system.

My point is, the blueprint may look good, may very well be something other teams would love to emulate, but in the end, it's just not possible.
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Re: The Seattle Effect

Postby obiken » Mon Feb 03, 2014 10:31 pm

That's it, guy Its a little over blown.
We all remember how Pete built this team. He has done a great job, but come on, that doesn't mean it can be copied by us or someone else. We had to get rid of a #4 pick. Pete had a revolving door at QB. He cut Hass, brought in Clippy, over to Tjack, then to Flynn, Flynn goes down we got a 3rd rounder who works out.
The big thing Pete did is cut a lot of Holmy trash; guys who couldn't block or tackle and brought in guys that could. However you need luck. What was Belichick before Brady? He was an average coach, every coach has to have luck at the QB position, period. Lombardi treated Starr different. The great thing is that NOW we have the Carroll culture; there are guys that are going to want to play for Pete at a reduced cost. It will work as long as the core don't want to break the bank for extra money. Okung is signed, Earl Thomas is signed, ect. What will be tough as a fan is to watch guys like Malcolm Smith take off. He gone, someone is going to pay him way more than he is worth. The good news is there will be guys right behind him.

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Re: The Seattle Effect

Postby Zorn76 » Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:39 am

Defense wins championships.

That's the best blueprint any of these other struggling franchises can follow. It's funny, because it's been this way for awhile, yet you'd think it was a brand new philosophy by the way other teams talk about it.
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Re: The Seattle Effect

Postby jshawaii22 » Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:52 am

Yes, you already see it in Jacksonville... I just don't think it's that easy.

But, first you have to change the attitude of the coaching staff, lower and mid management and then the GM, upper management and the owner.

Besides the music that seems to be a total part of the lifestyle Pete creates, he consults the veterans for opinions and vision. Meets every Monday AM with Russell and on and on... I just don't see that as an option for a lot of teams. Coaches are who they are. I doubt many of the 'non-college' based coaches respect what Pete is doing, or have the fortitude to try it themselves. Most coaches, being over 50 and white, probably hate the music that is 90% of what is played here. The players love it. Most others hate it. THUGS? Not hardly, but that's what some people would call it.

So getting players to buy into a attempt to duplicate our system, may not be obtainable, even if its a goal.

I also see free agents wanting to come here, which has never happened before. This could lead us to be able to continue to find the Avril's and Bennett's that want a ring vs. the max $$$. Evidently, there are a lot of those out there. It's the "New England" Effect. That would give us a decade like this...
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Re: The Seattle Effect

Postby Eaglehawk » Tue Feb 04, 2014 1:36 am

jshawaii22 wrote:Yes, you already see it in Jacksonville... I just don't think it's that easy.

But, first you have to change the attitude of the coaching staff, lower and mid management and then the GM, upper management and the owner.

Besides the music that seems to be a total part of the lifestyle Pete creates, he consults the veterans for opinions and vision. Meets every Monday AM with Russell and on and on... I just don't see that as an option for a lot of teams. Coaches are who they are. I doubt many of the 'non-college' based coaches respect what Pete is doing, or have the fortitude to try it themselves. Most coaches, being over 50 and white, probably hate the music that is 90% of what is played here. The players love it. Most others hate it. THUGS? Not hardly, but that's what some people would call it.

So getting players to buy into a attempt to duplicate our system, may not be obtainable, even if its a goal.

I also see free agents wanting to come here, which has never happened before. This could lead us to be able to continue to find the Avril's and Bennett's that want a ring vs. the max $$$. Evidently, there are a lot of those out there. It's the "New England" Effect. That would give us a decade like this...

As everyone said.
Let them try to make it a blueprint.
Half of the teams due to their culture will not. But they will take away some of the x's and o's of our style. Like our speed. And our tall corners.

I can't see Bellicheat playing rap music during practice sessions!

But in some teams, their youth, or if not young their MINDSET, MAY just MAY lend itself to BUY INTO the win philosophy. But even if they do, they still need CHEMISTRY. THEY NEED SMART KIDS, TALENT, AND COACHES.

Not easy in a bubble IMO. This team took 4 years. That wasn't by accident.
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Re: The Seattle Effect

Postby MackStrongIsMyHero » Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:33 am

In addition to John Schneider's philosophy, I wonder if Carroll's success at the collegiate level will continue to help this team. For college ball, player turnover is high by nature, so coaches have to constantly be searching for the next man up. The salary cap introduced this element to the NFL, and that has now been made even tougher with the premium placed on QB's. Carroll seems to understand this well (so does Schneider), and he's taking full advantage of rookie contracts being a minimum of 4 years. By creating a system that develops players, he's fostering an environment that will be constantly training replacements. As others have mentioned, building a championship program will bring in those utility guys that are looking to make a mark in the short term to cash in on the long term. It certainly doesn't mean we'll go to the Super Bowl every year, but that consistency has got to mean having winning seasons more often than not. Very, very impressed and pleased with the MO of the front office.
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Re: The Seattle Effect

Postby NorthHawk » Tue Feb 04, 2014 8:54 am

We now understand why there was so much emphasis on the DL and pass rush.
It's the basis of Defensive success as it allows the corners to play man to man a lot.
It also means you need a Safety with a very large range - and there aren't very many of those, either.

The issue for other teams trying to copy this formula is there are only so many true pass rushers that aren't also a major liability against the run.
Of those that you get, how many truly buy into the other teams system and methods?

That's only part of it - speed in all positions and the ability to properly tackle is also a key.
I was watching the NFL Network last night and and I think Sterling Sharpe or Brian Baldinger noted how Kam hit real hard but legally and how others should be able to do that, too.

I guess it boils down to being able to identify the proper players and then being able to properly coach them in the required methods for your defense.
Not every coach or coaching team can do that.
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