Harvin now officially a member of the Seahawk family.

[Long Time Fan]

I am so happy for so many players and coaches. Winning the Superbowl will forever stamp members of this team as Seattle favorites. So many players did so much this season and seasons before to earn their rightful place in Seahawk lore. One effect that will pay dividends going forward from this game is the bringing into the fold one Percy Harvin. A season spent for the most part on the outside looking in, Percy is now a full fledged member of the Superbowl Champion Seattle Seahawks (those last four words look so good).

It was clear from the first offensive series that Percy tilts the field. Every skill position player on offense benefits when Percy lines up. Here's to a healthy 2014 season for our newest Seahawk.

[NorthHawk]

No kidding.
When he was first traded for, we discussed the pros and cons.
Some didn't like the trade and others pointed out that the reason was he was a game breaker and with an otherwise solid team he added another dimension.
We all saw that last night. He makes the Offense far more dynamic just by being on the field.

[THX-1138]

I really don't don't care if anyone feels anything to the contrary.

Percy Harvin was worth evrey damned cent. Every one. How truly Machiavellian was it to have him injured for the entire season (in essence). I know, there is no way that it was planned, it just worked out that way.

But Holy Crap! It was P-E-R-F-E-C-T! Lynch didn't need big numbers. He got some first downs and a TD. Our receivers got a bit of space to work with. RW had targets and lanes to escape to if needed.

Every. Damned. Penny.

[daweez]

Can you imagine if we had him for a whole year without injuries? Wow! That would be something else. I hope he is healthy all next year.

[EntiatHawk]

Percy fits this team like a glove. This Offense is based on chaos and he adds that.

This was a total team win.

[savvyman]

Sure - Now Percy needs to buy into the Seahawk 24/7 philosophy of all his other teammates and fully participate in all team activities over the next few months.

[briwas101]

Im sure im gonna get a lot of crap for this but I still hate the Harvin trade.

It WAS good to see him actually do something for the team besides cost us draft picks and a fortune, and I guess I can consider him a seahawk now (I honestly had never considered him a Hawk before).

The Super Bowl hasn't even been over for 24 hours so I do not want to get into the pros/cons and the coulda/shouldas and the hypotheticals; we have the whole offseason for that. I do look forward to a logical discussion eventually, but right now there is a Lombardi trophy to appreciate.

Regardless of what Harvin did in the regular season (crickets chirping) at least his contribution to the team was more than 0.


Most importantly WE ARE THE WORLD CHAMPIONS! !!

[Distant Relative]

I didn't like the trade either.....I thought The Hawks gave up and paid to much for PH.

That said, you can't discount the value of a player with his skill set.

He totally opened up the Seahawks Offense and special teams.

Where can you get some Seahawks Skittles? Are they out yet?

[Zorn76]

Well, yesterday certainly made up for a lot of the complaining, didn't it, lol.

I didn't like the trade, either, but we did see just how amazing this guy is when healthy.

That said, I still think the Seahawks need to add depth at WR, along with OL, for this year's draft. In fact, I go OL first round.

I'm happy for Harvin, though. His effort and results were much more than I imagined heading into the Super Bowl.

[lklhawk]

He changes this team from a Superbowl winner into a dynasty. The Hawks could have won this one with out him but with him they can win many.

[Vegaseahawk]

That said, I still think the Seahawks need to add depth at WR, along with OL, for this year's draft. In fact, I go OL first round.

Given JS, & PC's talent, why not fill those positions in the 5th-7th round at bargain basement prices...& then watch them perform at 1st round levels, lol. After all, that's their M.O., right? Who needs a 1st round pick when you've got JS!?!?

[Zorn76]

That said, I still think the Seahawks need to add depth at WR, along with OL, for this year's draft. In fact, I go OL first round.

Given JS, & PC's talent, why not fill those positions in the 5th-7th round at bargain basement prices...& then watch them perform at 1st round levels, lol. After all, that's their M.O., right? Who needs a 1st round pick when you've got JS!?!?

And maybe that's what they end up doing.

My thought is that while Harvin played well, probably beyond anything anyone of us expected, it still remains to be seen if he can stay healthy. I don't think you can bank on it at this point. Pete and John have been very proactive in their building process, and a great deal of that comes in the form of hedging their bets.

The Seahawks also have the luxury of taking some risks at this point, since there are very few, if any, glaring holes they need to fill on the roster. Seems like some competition is still not a bad idea, though, with OL being the main focus, IMO.

I also believe that a stud pass rusher - be it a FA or draft pick, but preferably the latter - would go miles in making this team even stronger. We did a great job pressuring Manning of course, but more help in the form of an interior DL and DE would provide a noticeable difference for the future. Same with adding another burner at WR, since Rice is likely gone.

If nothing else, Carroll and Schneider need a plan B to offset potential losses in free agency over the next couple years. Next man up means having a worthy candidate to take a vacant spot when called upon. We're a young, talented roster. The best way to keep this machine rolling is to have spare parts at our disposal.

[HumanCockroach]

I don't know Zorn, IMHO there already two "stud" pass rushers on this team, though one is now a free agent and played himself into a nice, very nice contract ( Bennett) and one with a single year on his deal that will take some serious cheddar to keep here (Avril).... not sure what they will decide with Clemmons as well....

[Eaglehawk]

NO NO NO
Stop with the we need to draft a WR in the first round. Really?
Who do we need in the first round?
Maybe its a WR.

Really?
But JS and PC have already proven we can win the Superbowl with a bunch of midgets and 7th rounders as our WRs. So please!!!!

I am not saying that we should NOT draft a WR with our first pick. I am just saying that whoever we draft it should be on our O LINE.

Okung is good, and I hope he improves his technique. But the most penalized guy today was our FIRST ROUND O LINE PICK, yes OKUNG!!!

If there is anyone we should get rid of its our o line coach. Again, just based on what I see, I don't know anything else. But its been a problem rightly or wrongly(when they penalize us when we are not guilty) ALL SEASON.

Harvin? Welcome to the family! From what I understand the team loves him, and he loves them. Harvin if you are out there please sign up to the Shack and show me that I am right! My neck is on the line here. And a poster and my friend, Hawkwow's head exploded when you ran that kickoff for a td.

And make no mistake about it Percy, we don't hate you, some of us question you, but as to next year, we believe you and in your excellent abilities.
Man to man, that is what counts. 12th man from us to you!

[NorthHawk]

The OL definitely needs to be upgraded.
There are a number of mocks that have us taking a Guard first at #32 like Cyril Richardson from Baylor.

Hmm picking #32 has a nice RING to it.

With Rice probably gone if he doesn't restructure and Tate a FA, there might be a big need for a WR.
A tall WR for the Red Zone can help, or maybe someone who can stretch the field.
Maybe someone like Martavis Bryant from clemson at 6-5 and runs real fast.
He might not be a first round pick, but as we don't have a 3rd, we might be able to get him in the 2nd.
Another guy is Kelvin Benjamin from Florida State 6-5 235 with a huge wingspan.

[Eaglehawk]

The OL definitely needs to be upgraded.
There are a number of mocks that have us taking a Guard first at #32 like Cyril Richardson from Baylor.

Hmm picking #32 has a nice RING to it.

With Rice probably gone if he doesn't restructure and Tate a FA, there might be a big need for a WR.
A tall WR for the Red Zone can help, or maybe someone who can stretch the field.
Maybe someone like Martavis Bryant from clemson at 6-5 and runs real fast.
He might not be a first round pick, but as we don't have a 3rd, we might be able to get him in the 2nd.
Another guy is Kelvin Benjamin from Florida State 6-5 235 with a huge wingspan.

Forgot about Tate possibly leaving. WR in 2nd round works, and OL in first round hits the nail on the head. We are too shallow in that position. Not that a first rounder makes a difference. But it SHOULD. Okung is decent and should improve through time. At least we don't have to worry about him. So I hope we get a good first round OL guy, anywhere on the o line would work. Will Unger be back? He got beat several times during the SB and during the reg season as well.

[briwas101]

NO NO NO
Stop with the we need to draft a WR in the first round. Really?
Who do we need in the first round?
Maybe its a WR.

Really?
But JS and PC have already proven we can win the Superbowl with a bunch of midgets and 7th rounders as our WRs. So please!!!!

I am not saying that we should NOT draft a WR with our first pick. I am just saying that whoever we draft it should be on our O LINE.

Okung is good, and I hope he improves his technique. But the most penalized guy today was our FIRST ROUND O LINE PICK, yes OKUNG!!!

If there is anyone we should get rid of its our o line coach. Again, just based on what I see, I don't know anything else. But its been a problem rightly or wrongly(when they penalize us when we are not guilty) ALL SEASON.

Harvin? Welcome to the family! From what I understand the team loves him, and he loves them. Harvin if you are out there please sign up to the Shack and show me that I am right! My neck is on the line here. And a poster and my friend, Hawkwow's head exploded when you ran that kickoff for a td.

And make no mistake about it Percy, we don't hate you, some of us question you, but as to next year, we believe you and in your excellent abilities.
Man to man, that is what counts. 12th man from us to you!

Im glad to see someone else who has not been impressed with Cable as our OL coach. I think most Hawk fans jumped the gun on giving him credit as a major part of the team. I would rank him just as low as Bevell or even lower. His two choices in the draft when Schneider thought it would be funny to let Cable pick were Carpenter and Moffit. But that is for a different thread and a different time.

And please, people, try not to take my criticisms as just being "negative". I know I often come across as negative but that is because people (and teams) do not get better until they admit there is something they need to improve. If there is a coach or a player who negatively impacts the team for any reason (bad attitude, poor play, overpriced contract etc.) I don't think it is wrong to point it out, although I will try not to harp on any one subject too much.

As for Harvin, i haven't heard anything negative about him from any Hawks, so at least his locker-room issues haven't become an issue so far, although getting a $67m contract and joining a team that could easily win the Super Bowl without him and then not even having to do anything makes it pretty easy to not complain. If there WERE locker room issues with him then it would show him to be one of the biggest punks ever. That hasnt happened and I don't think it ever will. He has absolutely zero reason to complain and he hasn't.

The ONLY semi-negative thing that I heard was that Baldwin was a little bothered that his practice reps were significantly reduced the week Harvin came back. As much as Hawk fans have enjoyed Doug Baldwin talking back to the media, what very few of us 12s understand is that it wasn't just the national media that glossed over what Tate and Baldwin had done; it was the Seattle media and the 12s as well. Golden Tate and/or Baldwin would have good games for us but they got LESS credit than Harvin did even in his first two games which weren't even as good as Tate and Baldwin's AVERAGE game (they each averaged over 50 yards per game when harvin DID NOT play, but Harvin got more credit and attention for his 1 17 yard catch than Tate and Baldwin ever got for their games). Baldwin isn't stupid so he won't call out the seattle media or the 12s, but can any of you guys honestly say that the seattle media and the 12s gave Baldwin as much credit as he deserved? Do any of you honestly think that Harvin didn't get more attention and credit for his almost 0 production?



What matters right now is we are a championship team. We no longer have to just say that we have championship-caliber talent. WE ARE CHAMPIONS. But in order to STAY champions we have to constantly try to get better. Any weaknesses or vulnerabilities should try to be addressed. San Fran isn't going to sit back and take it easy, and neither can we.

GO HAWKS

[Zorn76]

I don't know Zorn, IMHO there already two "stud" pass rushers on this team, though one is now a free agent and played himself into a nice, very nice contract ( Bennett) and one with a single year on his deal that will take some serious cheddar to keep here (Avril).... not sure what they will decide with Clemmons as well....

We have a decent pass rush, finishing with 44 sacks during the regular season.

Still, if we could find a sack specialist a la Robert Quinn or something close, this D would be even more insane.

Now, I know Quinns don't grow on trees, but if we manage to augment that part of our scheme, then it makes everybody - including an already incredible secondary - especially formidable.

[HumanCockroach]

I don't know Zorn, IMHO there already two "stud" pass rushers on this team, though one is now a free agent and played himself into a nice, very nice contract ( Bennett) and one with a single year on his deal that will take some serious cheddar to keep here (Avril).... not sure what they will decide with Clemmons as well....

We have a decent pass rush, finishing with 44 sacks during the regular season.

Still, if we could find a sack specialist a la Robert Quinn or something close, this D would be even more insane.

Now, I know Quinns don't grow on trees, but if we manage to augment that part of our scheme, then it makes everybody - including an already incredible secondary - especially formidable.

That's fair, that being said though, it was Seattle that pressured the QB on the highest percentage of drop backs this season ( and by a large amount I might add) something like 40% of all pass plays, which IMHO directly increased the amount of turnovers. Don't get me wrong, I like sacks and all, but more often than not, I'll take a hurried, ill advised throw, over a sack. Just my opinion of course, but there is really not a lot of arguing to be done over the results. If you break it down even further you see that Seattle is the only team to field I think 5 guys with over 5 sacks. If the Hawks wanted to play Avril every down, I personally think he gets those 14-18 sacks on the season, but I can't say for sure.

[Zorn76]

I don't know Zorn, IMHO there already two "stud" pass rushers on this team, though one is now a free agent and played himself into a nice, very nice contract ( Bennett) and one with a single year on his deal that will take some serious cheddar to keep here (Avril).... not sure what they will decide with Clemmons as well....

We have a decent pass rush, finishing with 44 sacks during the regular season.

Still, if we could find a sack specialist a la Robert Quinn or something close, this D would be even more insane.

Now, I know Quinns don't grow on trees, but if we manage to augment that part of our scheme, then it makes everybody - including an already incredible secondary - especially formidable.

That's fair, that being said though, it was Seattle that pressured the QB on the highest percentage of drop backs this season ( and by a large amount I might add) something like 40% of all pass plays, which IMHO directly increased the amount of turnovers. Don't get me wrong, I like sacks and all, but more often than not, I'll take a hurried, ill advised throw, over a sack. Just my opinion of course, but there is really not a lot of arguing to be done over the results. If you break it down even further you see that Seattle is the only team to field I think 5 guys with over 5 sacks. If the Hawks wanted to play Avril every down, I personally think he gets those 14-18 sacks on the season, but I can't say for sure.

Good point, HC.

Hurries are key, and we certainly did see plenty of them on Sunday, which obviously made a huge difference in the game.

We'll see how the draft goes. I think OL definitely needs some help. That's the closest thing we have to a legit problem. I think Carpenter will be replaced eventually, and neither Breno or Sweezy are what you call irreplaceable. I give some benefit to J.R., since it's early. And while I like B.G's fire, I just think he's better suited to being a 2nd stringer.

IMO, we also have to have a better plan for backing up Okung as well. His health status isn't that of Percy's, but he's been missing more time than you like to see.

In the end, it's about challenging the OL, finding another burner at WR (to compliment Harvin and offset Rice's pending departure), and depth for positions.

We're in good shape otherwise, though, lol:)

[HumanCockroach]

I agree, I would like to see several o-lineman taken, a big receiver with speed, and probably a TE as I am not sure Zach will be willing to take a pay cut. And of course, there will be a DB or two that no one in the world has heard of drafted and starting to be groomed....LOL

[Eaglehawk]

I agree, I would like to see several o-lineman taken, a big receiver with speed, and probably a TE as I am not sure Zach will be willing to take a pay cut. And of course, there will be a DB or two that no one in the world has heard of drafted and starting to be groomed....LOL

Agreed with everything posted about the OL guys. And if its WR first then OL I don't mind, or if we pick up an OL guy via FA okay as well, but I think Carpenter is gone. They pretty much benched him and started Bowie, that got my attention. If it weren't for Bowie being so inexperienced Carpenter would have lost his job for good, IMO. Agreed with the point made about Cable on his talent acquisitions.

So yeah, we have to improve our pass rush, and yes I soooo agree those hurries sometimes are better than sacks!!!!However sometimes, with the young bucks like Kaep, Luck, RGIII and CAM, when we hurry they will just take off running like gazelles. In that situation we need we need someone that can smash up through the line and force the qb runners to take off into our "contain". Obviously, our pocket passers like Brady, Brees and Manning would be sacked.

Easier said than done.

If Sherman does not make that tip, we might have been looking at a play by Kaep into the endzone and a victory by the Niners. Remember how KAEP kept gashing us? PC made some corrections, but he alone put up more yards than their RB.
It was that close. So, my point is that we need to improve the way we handle the qb runners. We beat them last year, but our defense needs to evolve to stop them as well. That involves more challenges than dealing with the statue Peyton Manning.(Who moves even a little more in the pocket than the TRUE LAST NFL QB STATUE TO PLAY THE GAME: DREW BLEDSOE.

[Eaglehawk]

And correct point about everyone on the Seahawks loving Harvin. They have absolutely no problems with him.
That to me says alot about the guys on our team. If they don't have a problem with him except a small issue with reps, then why should we?

[Long Time Fan]

A point that was made during the broadcast was that one reason for the strength of Seahawks special teams was the depth of the squad. No doubt true. Still, watching Kam and Harvin on special teams concerns me. High risk, high reward.

[Eaglehawk]

A point that was made during the broadcast was that one reason for the strength of Seahawks special teams was the depth of the squad. No doubt true. Still, watching Kam and Harvin on special teams concerns me. High risk, high reward.

PC plays with a tough as nails philosophy if you are out there, if you play in the game, then you should be able to do anything. Except Turbin who will never get a chance to carry the ball again on kickoffs for obvious reasons. He has been lights out since then though in terms of ball protection. So has Lynch except for a handoff that was RW's fault.

[Zorn76]

A point that was made during the broadcast was that one reason for the strength of Seahawks special teams was the depth of the squad. No doubt true. Still, watching Kam and Harvin on special teams concerns me. High risk, high reward.

I agree as it concerns Kam, but think Harvin's (returning) reward outweighs the risk overall.

[RiverDog]

And correct point about everyone on the Seahawks loving Harvin. They have absolutely no problems with him.
That to me says alot about the guys on our team. If they don't have a problem with him except a small issue with reps, then why should we?

Winning cures all evils. So long as we win, I suspect that Harvin won't be a problem, with his coaches, his teammates, or his fans. But the real test will come when there's some sort of adversity for us to go through.

But I do agree with all the comments being made. Percy's performance in the SB was MVP stuff to say the least. The guy is as big of a play making receiver as we've ever had here and there's no reason to doubt his sincerity or to think that he hasn't put all his problems behind him.

[Hawktawk]

I will eat some crow now. I ragged mercilessly on Harvin for being soft. The last 10 weeks Ive been rehabbing shoulder surgery and I still can hardly lift my right arm so I dunno about Harvin anymore. If the guy never does another thing for Seattle he earned it all last Sunday. Ask Buffalo, Minnesota, Detroit, Cincinnati etc. SBs wins don't grow on trees. And if we can get that same type of explosiveness on the field on a regular basis we might have a billboard worth hanging in San Francisco in a few more years...................

[HumanCockroach]

Harvin is exactly what many of us have said he is all along, a rare talent, gamechanger, whether he can stay on the field is one thing, but denying his ability isn't smart. That is a small sample size of what he can do,and I for one am extremely excited about the offense and team moving forward with him on it.

[obiken]

But all we have is a bunch of pedestrian WR's hee hee.
Seriously, we need a good OL.

[RiverDog]

I will eat some crow now. I ragged mercilessly on Harvin for being soft. The last 10 weeks Ive been rehabbing shoulder surgery and I still can hardly lift my right arm so I dunno about Harvin anymore. If the guy never does another thing for Seattle he earned it all last Sunday. Ask Buffalo, Minnesota, Detroit, Cincinnati etc. SBs wins don't grow on trees. And if we can get that same type of explosiveness on the field on a regular basis we might have a billboard worth hanging in San Francisco in a few more years...................

No one on this forum has doubted Percy's ability. There has been only two concerns with him: His health and his attitude. We'll have to wait until this time next year to see if he's able to stay on the field, sustain the type of performance we saw in the SB, and keep his nose clean.

I'm not quite ready to eat crow, but I'll take a double serving if he makes it through next season without any major issues.