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Obama's Statement On Iran

Postby Aseahawkfan » Wed May 09, 2018 12:05 pm

There are few issues more important to the security of the United States than the potential spread of nuclear weapons, or the potential for even more destructive war in the Middle East. That’s why the United States negotiated the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) in the first place.

The reality is clear. The JCPOA is working – that is a view shared by our European allies, independent experts, and the current U.S. Secretary of Defense. The JCPOA is in America’s interest – it has significantly rolled back Iran’s nuclear program. And the JCPOA is a model for what diplomacy can accomplish – its inspections and verification regime is precisely what the United States should be working to put in place with North Korea. Indeed, at a time when we are all rooting for diplomacy with North Korea to succeed, walking away from the JCPOA risks losing a deal that accomplishes – with Iran – the very outcome that we are pursuing with the North Koreans.

That is why today’s announcement is so misguided. Walking away from the JCPOA turns our back on America’s closest allies, and an agreement that our country’s leading diplomats, scientists, and intelligence professionals negotiated. In a democracy, there will always be changes in policies and priorities from one Administration to the next. But the consistent flouting of agreements that our country is a party to risks eroding America’s credibility, and puts us at odds with the world’s major powers.

Debates in our country should be informed by facts, especially debates that have proven to be divisive. So it’s important to review several facts about the JCPOA.

First, the JCPOA was not just an agreement between my Administration and the Iranian government. After years of building an international coalition that could impose crippling sanctions on Iran, we reached the JCPOA together with the United Kingdom, France, Germany, the European Union, Russia, China, and Iran. It is a multilateral arms control deal, unanimously endorsed by a United Nations Security Council Resolution.

Second, the JCPOA has worked in rolling back Iran’s nuclear program. For decades, Iran had steadily advanced its nuclear program, approaching the point where they could rapidly produce enough fissile material to build a bomb. The JCPOA put a lid on that breakout capacity. Since the JCPOA was implemented, Iran has destroyed the core of a reactor that could have produced weapons-grade plutonium; removed two-thirds of its centrifuges (over 13,000) and placed them under international monitoring; and eliminated 97 percent of its stockpile of enriched uranium – the raw materials necessary for a bomb. So by any measure, the JCPOA has imposed strict limitations on Iran's nuclear program and achieved real results.

Third, the JCPOA does not rely on trust – it is rooted in the most far-reaching inspections and verification regime ever negotiated in an arms control deal. Iran’s nuclear facilities are strictly monitored. International monitors also have access to Iran’s entire nuclear supply chain, so that we can catch them if they cheat. Without the JCPOA, this monitoring and inspections regime would go away.

Fourth, Iran is complying with the JCPOA. That was not simply the view of my Administration. The United States intelligence community has continued to find that Iran is meeting its responsibilities under the deal, and has reported as much to Congress. So have our closest allies, and the international agency responsible for verifying Iranian compliance – the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).

Fifth, the JCPOA does not expire. The prohibition on Iran ever obtaining a nuclear weapon is permanent. Some of the most important and intrusive inspections codified by the JCPOA are permanent. Even as some of the provisions in the JCPOA do become less strict with time, this won’t happen until ten, fifteen, twenty, or twenty-five years into the deal, so there is little reason to put those restrictions at risk today.

Finally, the JCPOA was never intended to solve all of our problems with Iran. We were clear-eyed that Iran engages in destabilizing behavior – including support for terrorism, and threats toward Israel and its neighbors. But that’s precisely why it was so important that we prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. Every aspect of Iranian behavior that is troubling is far more dangerous if their nuclear program is unconstrained. Our ability to confront Iran’s destabilizing behavior – and to sustain a unity of purpose with our allies – is strengthened with the JCPOA, and weakened without it.

Because of these facts, I believe that the decision to put the JCPOA at risk without any Iranian violation of the deal is a serious mistake. Without the JCPOA, the United States could eventually be left with a losing choice between a nuclear-armed Iran or another war in the Middle East. We all know the dangers of Iran obtaining a nuclear weapon. It could embolden an already dangerous regime; threaten our friends with destruction; pose unacceptable dangers to America’s own security; and trigger an arms race in the world’s most dangerous region. If the constraints on Iran’s nuclear program under the JCPOA are lost, we could be hastening the day when we are faced with the choice between living with that threat, or going to war to prevent it.

In a dangerous world, America must be able to rely in part on strong, principled diplomacy to secure our country. We have been safer in the years since we achieved the JCPOA, thanks in part to the work of our diplomats, many members of Congress, and our allies. Going forward, I hope that Americans continue to speak out in support of the kind of strong, principled, fact-based, and unifying leadership that can best secure our country and uphold our responsibilities around the globe.


Did anyone read this close? This is why you do not trust your government.

This is basically saying that a bunch of nations with agendas that don't matter one bit to America or with one care about American people played Obama like a fool to make this deal. If you follow the business news you know that every single one of those countries listed in this coalition has financial interests in Iran including selling them arms, negotiating oil deals, and generally making money from their interactions with Iran.

I'm reading this as this allows Iran to build up billions of dollars to fuel violence and destabilization around the world including in nations where we have soldiers like Afghanistan and Iraq for the goal of short-term, for 20 or 25 years, we can be very assured that they won't build nuclear weapons, then we'll see what we can figure out after that period. But we're also not sure that with their billions of dollars, they're not engaged in the building of other types of weapons or other technologies aimed at undermining us, killing our soldiers, and preparing for the delivery of nuclear missiles.

Basically, a bunch of us wealthy, educated, business folks that will primarily benefit from this deal made an agreement to put this in place to stop the nukes, but hey, you soldiers and aid workers that we send to these destabilized regions, sorry, you'll have to worry about being maimed or dying. Then after Iran has built up billions of dollars, maybe trillions selling oil, obtained other military technologies from Russia, China, and Europe, then we'll hope they don't start trying to build a nuclear weapon again.

Of course, there's no reason to believe Iran will play the long game and build up their funds as well as secret networks to sell oil and prepare for sanctions when restarting their nuclear program. Iran's too dumb to do that, don't worry.

Are you kidding me? This is one of the main reasons I don't vote for Democrats. This is one of the worst deals I've ever seen. Obama basically admitted he's ok with Iran doing a lot of other evil garbage to kill people around the world to stop nuclear development via inspections for 20 to 25 years, then hope for the best. He calls this a win for diplomacy by us? How is that? We have a foreign regime hostile to us empowered with money with access to the free markets to gain more military technology that maybe won't build nukes if our inspections are real good.

Iran is not Iraq. They have four times the population of Iraq and no central figure we can take down to undermine their regime. This is one of the worst deals in the history of American diplomacy. I was never a fan of Obama, but I did not think he was this dumb and weak. Holy crap this was basically admission by a president that he made a deal he knows will kill American soldiers and allies in other nations and allow a hostile regime to build up huge cash reserves to maybe prevent nuclear weapon advancement for 20 to 25 years. Wow. This shows a level of misunderstanding of Iran I've never seen.

To all our service members and American aid workers and politicians working abroad, I hope you remain safe. Your government under Obama sold you out to Iran. They allowed a hostile regime to obtain immense funds for fueling violence against you while you are abroad in nations you are ordered into including groups like Shia Taliban in Afghanistan and Shia militias in Iraq and the Syrian regime under Bashar. I know we have guys on this board like Irish Greg out there on behalf of America fighting for our safety. It's sad to see our government made a deal from a position of strength to put your lives in greater danger. Unbelievable.

And you guys on here are taking shots at Trump for his collusion with Russia? Yet Obama actually allows Russia and China to be part of a deal with a nation they will sell arms too, arms that may be used to kill our soldiers and people and those of our allies. Yet you all think Obama is somehow the "better" man. Sorry, this killed any sympathy I had for Obama. I'm done with that guy. He just admitted he empowered a foreign regime with the funds to expand their violence and destabilization.He negotiated this deal from a position of strength and with allies he should know have considerable financial gains through the deal, including competitive nations like Russia and China. This was an awful deal and our former president was played for a fool.
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Re: Obama's Statement On Iran

Postby Seahawks4Ever » Wed May 09, 2018 12:50 pm

No, dude, this letter is NOT why some people distrust their government, this letter typifies why YOU do not trust your federal government.

Do NOT presume to speak for anyone else but yourself. Weak minded people are easily brain washed and there has been a steady drum beat since the Reagan tears to tear down all of our institutions that once made our country great. "Government IS the Problem" has been the mantra. But, always, the HYPOCRITES cry out to the federal government when ever there is a disaster, natural or man made.

I used to feel sorry for such weak minded people but do so no longer. These weak minded fools are making decisions that are destroying what we have all worked for and cherished for generations and it must stop.

But, lets hope that as with North Korea the gambit that Trump is attempting actually works and pays off with Iran curtailing their ballistic missile program and significantly scales back if not out right eliminate their support for Hezbollah, Al Queda, ISIS, Boko Harem, the various PLO terrorist groups plus all of the other terrorists they have supported over the decades.

I doubt that it is possible for a peace treaty to be brokered between Israel and Iran by President Trump or anyone else. But, IF he can get the original deal RENEGOTIATED maybe with an addendum that dealt with these other issues then it will be worth the effort.

I understand those that don't want the Treaty messed with, but Mr. Trump is NOT the only person who opposed this deal, there are many who opposed this treaty, many democrats, and they still oppose.

The problem is they front loaded the releasing of the frozen bank accounts instead of making Iran work for it. The first deal should have been just that, the first with a second, followed by a third and as many deals as it would take to convince them to be a good actor instead of a bad actor on the world's stage.

That's what happened with Kim Jon In, he decided it would be better for him to make peace than have to worry about "regime change".
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Re: Obama's Statement On Iran

Postby Aseahawkfan » Wed May 09, 2018 4:38 pm

Seahawks4Ever wrote:No, dude, this letter is NOT why some people distrust their government, this letter typifies why YOU do not trust your federal government.

Do NOT presume to speak for anyone else but yourself. Weak minded people are easily brain washed and there has been a steady drum beat since the Reagan tears to tear down all of our institutions that once made our country great. "Government IS the Problem" has been the mantra. But, always, the HYPOCRITES cry out to the federal government when ever there is a disaster, natural or man made.

I used to feel sorry for such weak minded people but do so no longer. These weak minded fools are making decisions that are destroying what we have all worked for and cherished for generations and it must stop.

But, lets hope that as with North Korea the gambit that Trump is attempting actually works and pays off with Iran curtailing their ballistic missile program and significantly scales back if not out right eliminate their support for Hezbollah, Al Queda, ISIS, Boko Harem, the various PLO terrorist groups plus all of the other terrorists they have supported over the decades.

I doubt that it is possible for a peace treaty to be brokered between Israel and Iran by President Trump or anyone else. But, IF he can get the original deal RENEGOTIATED maybe with an addendum that dealt with these other issues then it will be worth the effort.

I understand those that don't want the Treaty messed with, but Mr. Trump is NOT the only person who opposed this deal, there are many who opposed this treaty, many democrats, and they still oppose.

The problem is they front loaded the releasing of the frozen bank accounts instead of making Iran work for it. The first deal should have been just that, the first with a second, followed by a third and as many deals as it would take to convince them to be a good actor instead of a bad actor on the world's stage.

That's what happened with Kim Jon In, he decided it would be better for him to make peace than have to worry about "regime change".


You never trust your government, even if you know it is necessary. People that do are foolish and lack an understanding of the game being played and who it is for.

If the people that are being used as cannon fodder in these world disputes don't stand up in their nations and take control for their good, then they deserve what they get. They have been clearly shown that neither Democrat nor Republican cares much about their well-being. They will send them to dangerous places that they themselves created with abuse of taxpayer money and military power to die. The list of this occurring is long:

1. 9/11: Saudi terrorists empowered during the Afghan-Russian war launch the largest terrorist attack in our history. We backed them with money and weapons during the Afghan Russian Conflict. Our government. This lead us into a war in Afghanistan that is unwinnable leading to the deaths of thousands of people.

2. Vietnam War: Agreements with French Colonial powers after World War 2 caused us to back the French against the desire of the Vietnamese people to be free causing the Vietnamese to seek help from China and embroiling us in an unnecessary war (police action) that killed tens of thousands of people.

3. CIA drug running during black operations in Central/South America and weapons deals with Iran to support Salvadoran Rebels against the Nicaraguan Sandinistas. All done with our backing killing thousands of people for no real gain in a nation that did not threaten us.

4. Iraq War prosecuted due to a manipulative administration that developed a 1% Doctrine then used it as justification to make War in Iraq even though this 1% doctrine could have been used to make war in any nation worldwide. Primary beneficiaries American oil and foreign infrastructure companies. And once again leading to the death of thousands of people.

This Iran deal Obama made is doing the same.

I do not trust the government, never will and no one ever should. There should be a healthy level of distrust between the American people and the government. They should always be looking to keep the government locked down from doing all this crap. It is literally the fault of the American people that they have allowed their government to become so corrupt and overly involved in world politics that we are even in a position to continue foreign policy that leads to the death of so many of our people and the people of other nations. These grievances will haunt us.

Neither party will stop it until we make them. These selfish, short-term foreign policy decisions will continue to haunt us.
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Re: Obama's Statement On Iran

Postby RiverDog » Wed May 09, 2018 6:54 pm

I've always wondered about the legality of these executive agreements that presidents have entered into (Obama is not the only POTUS). The Constitution explicitly says that the Senate will approve all treaties with other foreign governments and that any other agreements reached without their consent are not in force until the Senate approves them.
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Re: Obama's Statement On Iran

Postby burrrton » Wed May 09, 2018 7:16 pm

RiverDog wrote:I've always wondered about the legality of these executive agreements that presidents have entered into (Obama is not the only POTUS). The Constitution explicitly says that the Senate will approve all treaties with other foreign governments and that any other agreements reached without their consent are not in force until the Senate approves them.


Exactly. This was doomed from the moment Obama decided he wouldn't go through the regular treaty process, and I seriously doubt Iran was clueless about how quickly our participation in this dopey ruse would evaporate.

Their pursuit of a nuke never stopped, and now we no longer have to pretend we think it did.
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Re: Obama's Statement On Iran

Postby Aseahawkfan » Wed May 09, 2018 9:01 pm

This was such a BS deal. How did he find anyone to support it? I know why the "allies" and diplomatic relations agreed to it while laughing at Obama inside. France did tons of business with Iran prior to the sanctions. Russia sold them weapons. China sold them goods and bought cheap oil. None of them are them on Iran's target list and Obama is thinking the deal is ok? And John Kerry and Joe Biden? The Republicans can beat this deal like a club against the Democrats. I doubt many Democrats that pay attention are looking at this like it was a good thing.

I seriously did not realize how bad a deal this was and how few exceptions Obama put on the deal. He literally admitted that he was ok with Iran using its billions to murder people as long as they didn't get a nuke right now without 100% surety of even that. Unbelievable that an American president would do such a thing and that someone like John Kerry and Joe Biden would support this. It's such a bad deal for us.
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Re: Obama's Statement On Iran

Postby RiverDog » Thu May 10, 2018 5:07 am

One of the campaign issues for Trump was getting out of this agreement and he's 16 months into his administration, which seems like a sufficient amount of time to fix it more to his liking, so it's not like he just went on one of his reactionary Twitter rages and decided to blow it up.

I still don't understand why Presidents are allowed to enter into such far reaching agreements w/o first going to the Senate. If an agreement like this isn't ratified by the Senate as prescribed in the Constitution, they should be automatically ended after a period of time.
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Re: Obama's Statement On Iran

Postby Aseahawkfan » Thu May 10, 2018 4:24 pm

RiverDog wrote:One of the campaign issues for Trump was getting out of this agreement and he's 16 months into his administration, which seems like a sufficient amount of time to fix it more to his liking, so it's not like he just went on one of his reactionary Twitter rages and decided to blow it up.

I still don't understand why Presidents are allowed to enter into such far reaching agreements w/o first going to the Senate. If an agreement like this isn't ratified by the Senate as prescribed in the Constitution, they should be automatically ended after a period of time.


It seems presidents have received a great deal more executive power. Didn't that occur during Clinton? Or has the president always had this executive power? I know Bush Jr. expanded the ability to make war. Clinton had the line item veto?
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Re: Obama's Statement On Iran

Postby burrrton » Thu May 10, 2018 4:34 pm

I know Bush Jr. expanded the ability to make war.


He went through Congress as required, didn't he?

Obama certainly made some questionable decisions in that regard, though.
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Re: Obama's Statement On Iran

Postby RiverDog » Thu May 10, 2018 7:49 pm

burrrton wrote:[He went through Congress as required, didn't he?


It wasn't required, but he did anyway, and all the major Dems lined up behind him..Clinton, Kerry, et al, but somehow it became "Bush's War."
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Re: Obama's Statement On Iran

Postby Aseahawkfan » Thu May 10, 2018 9:27 pm

burrrton wrote:He went through Congress as required, didn't he?

Obama certainly made some questionable decisions in that regard, though.


That's right. My bad. It was Obama that didn't go through Congress to launch bombings and drone assassinations. The guy that won the Nobel Peace Prize.

Bush was the one that lied about weapons of mass destruction according to the liberal media that didn't pay attention to the 1% Doctrine Cheney outlined prior to the war. There was indeed a 1% chance that Saddam Hussein had WMDs. I would say they did enough to show a 1% chance to possible war. Then the Democrats who voted for the Iraq war, voted against funding it.

That's right. Thanks for reminding me.
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Re: Obama's Statement On Iran

Postby Aseahawkfan » Thu May 10, 2018 9:31 pm

RiverDog wrote:It wasn't required, but he did anyway, and all the major Dems lined up behind him..Clinton, Kerry, et al, but somehow it became "Bush's War."


It became Bush's War because educated liberals don't really pay attention. They tout that high number of degrees, while never bothering to ask, "Do liberals have a degree because schools are brainwashing them into liberalism or are they truly investigating the economic, political, and other associated consequences of liberalism?" I'd bet money they aren't, just like most right wingers don't bother to investigate their beliefs too deeply to determine whether they are true or not.
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Re: Obama's Statement On Iran

Postby Aseahawkfan » Thu May 10, 2018 9:41 pm

I'd like to hear Hawktawk's opinion on this bit of Obama diplomacy since he's so high on using the word treason. Obama made a deal including the Russians and Chinese that funnels billions of dollars to a hostile foreign regime that is intent on harming America, especially our soldiers, aid workers, and diplomats that travel abroad. I would like him to explain to me how this is "better" governing than what we're getting now. Is it solely because of how well Obama spoke? Or is hawktawak going to try to tell me Iran without a nuke for 25 years as they build up huge cash reserves and contacts to put one in place once the deal expires better, all while funneling money into destabilization and terrorism a much better example of quality government?

Let's hear it hawktawk. Obama as president made a deal that almost guarantees the death of thousands of people in lands Iran is interfering with and likely has killed or maimed our soldiers. They will have billions to use to fuel their shadow wars. Then they will have 25 years to build up cash to pursue a nuclear program at that time. This seem like the actions of a non-treasonous president?

I was fairly in the middle on Obama until this BS came out. Now I'm fried beyond belief. I feel about Obama near as you feel about Trump. That president betrayed this nation and that Iran deal will lead to the deaths of thousands if not tens of thousands, possibly more over the course of 25 years as Iran funnels that money into their shadow wars. I hear first hand on a almost a daily basis how Iranian backed "rebels" launch attacks and work to destabilize Afghanistan killing many Afghans. Not to mention all that they are doing in Iraq. Sheesh. What BS.
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Re: Obama's Statement On Iran

Postby Seahawks4Ever » Fri May 11, 2018 5:44 pm

I have never held President Obama's "red line" threat against him because he was betrayed by the GOP in Congress who demanded he do something and to get THEIR approval for what ever he decided to do then refused to authorize him to retaliate against Syria when they crossed that red line.

I DID deduct points from Obama though for being so weak and DUMB as to let himself get painted into that corner he found himself in. That was his own fault of his own making.

Now, with that Deal with Iran? First any "deal", in fact, just the very start of negotiations should have begun with Iran releasing each and every HOSTAGE from ALL of the countries expected to be signatories of any possible deal JUST SO IRAN CAN SHOW GOOD FAITH!!!

Second, since this deal was so important it should have been a Comprehensive Deal. In retrospect, those things the Iranians agreed to in Kerry's Deal should have only been the FIRST START. That being said, the money from the Iranian bank accounts the we the U.S.A. and the rest of the free world through the U.N. had froze because they raided our Embassies and took our people hostages. We had also sold the Shah regime billions of dollars of fighter jets and the spare parts to keep them flying for the life of the plane and several naval vessels which we didn't deliver to the new regime though they had been paid for by the Iranian treasury or I.E. the Iranian people or so International Law ruled.

We didn't need to give it ALL BACK LUMP SUM at the very start of the deal. How STUPID can you be? Coming from someone who is supposed to be one of the smartest people in the room was it really stupid or was it APPEASEMENT??? I say it was appeasement and for that reason alone it was a bad deal.

IF the Iranians ARE serious about a lasting peace in the Middle-East based on mutual REPECT for EVERYONES right to EXIST then they would take steps to STOP being a "bad actor" like Kim Jon In of North Korea seems to be doing.

BUT, ALREADY we have THEIR answer, don't we? They shot 20 missiles into CIVILLIAN POPULATED areas of Tel Aviv. It IS the Iranians who want to bring on WWIII or ARMAGEDDEN as it has been known for thousands of years...
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