trump and the troops

[Hawktawk]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... li=BBnbcA1
When he said McCain wasnt a war hero because he got captured then taspes surfaced of him joking with Howard Stern about dodging STDs in the 70s being his "personal Vietnam I knew he would never have my support regardless of policy.

But the hits just keep a comin. Skips a visit to the French cemetery where 1800 uS service members were buried due to rain. Couldn't make it 2 minutes across the potomac to Arlington to honor the troops on veterans day. Said he was too busy but his schedule was empty and his twitter was wide open all day. Of course there's the political stunt playing 5000 troops on the border missing thanksgiving and now this political phone call rather than a visit to a war zone like every other president because hes scared according to many accounts from those closest to him. But Im sure its all fine with the zombie Trumptards.

[RiverDog]

Can't say that I disagree with ya, Hawktalk. Trump keeps breaking all the unwritten rules that used to govern the behavior of Presidents. He's very undignified, a very poor leader. It's a very good example why I will never vote for him and will look for ways to rationalize voting for his primary opponent.

[c_hawkbob]

Mark me down as equally disgusted (but not at all surprised).

[Aseahawkfan]

Typical lame BS from Trump, The Faketriot. Guy doesn't care. I think he's out of The White House voluntarily in 2020 if he doesn't get prosecuted. I can't imagine he's having a good time, but maybe his ego won't let him quit.

[Hawktawk]

There's lots of speculation about whether he will actually run ASea although hes amassed a 100 million war chest already. Depending on what mueller uncovers he may well need to stay president to avoid being indicted.

If hes had all these economic fundamentals for 2 years and kept many campaign promised in the eyes of his rabid loyalists and still cant crack mid 40s in the polls I have a hard time seeing him elected but that depends on who runs on the other side or perhaps as an independent.Things like disliking this blatant disregard for our military make sense even to his hardened base as polls show 80% plus support for visiting the troops.

Id love ID Hawkmans perspective as a man who put himself in harm's way many times about a commander in chief this feckless and self absorbed. Frankly I think a lot of republicans including a former republican in Hawk Tawk would LOVE to see a primary challenge and I think that person might well have a shot to dethrone him.

[RiverDog]

Typical lame BS from Trump, The Faketriot. Guy doesn't care. I think he's out of The White House voluntarily in 2020 if he doesn't get prosecuted. I can't imagine he's having a good time, but maybe his ego won't let him quit.

We'll have to wait and see who lines up against him in the lead-up to the 2020 election. I hear that John Kasich is thinking about a challenging him for the Republican nomination. I doubt that he'd have a snowball's chance in hell of beating him, but a challenge to a sitting POTUS's re-nomination is always bad news for their re-election bid....LBJ in '68, Carter in '80, Bush 41 in '92 (although his challenger was an independent).

[idhawkman]

There's lots of speculation about whether he will actually run ASea although hes amassed a 100 million war chest already. Depending on what mueller uncovers he may well need to stay president to avoid being indicted.

If hes had all these economic fundamentals for 2 years and kept many campaign promised in the eyes of his rabid loyalists and still cant crack mid 40s in the polls I have a hard time seeing him elected but that depends on who runs on the other side or perhaps as an independent.Things like disliking this blatant disregard for our military make sense even to his hardened base as polls show 80% plus support for visiting the troops.

Id love ID Hawkmans perspective as a man who put himself in harm's way many times about a commander in chief this feckless and self absorbed. Frankly I think a lot of republicans including a former republican in Hawk Tawk would LOVE to see a primary challenge and I think that person might well have a shot to dethrone him.

First, the visiting the cemetary in France I can understand. Lots of things happen overseas and schedules are often changed for reasons I can't really expound on here online.

Not going to Arlington is a bit disappointing but not in a huge way. When I was in the service I was a "in the dirt" guy. Serving in the 82nd Airborne, 5th, 1st and 11th Special Forces groups all were action oriented outfits but because they are "elite" groups, everyone wanted to show case us on parades. WE HATED PARADES!!!! There should be two armies, one for show and one for fighting. The pomp and circumstance is great for those who want a display but the real job is in the swamps and dirt. Places most people would never go let alone voluntarily. The things this POTUS has done for the fighting army way outweighs the open display of placing a wreath for show in the eyes of most military people I know. So hopefully that puts a rest to that issue.

REgarding his breaking the mid 40s, it depends on which poll you read. We know the polls are very biased except for the week or two around the actual election when they get their feet held to the fire and are either found out to be a fraud or a fact based poll. So here's the poll right after the mid terms.

11/14/2018

Roughly a week after the midterm elections, President Trump saw his approval rating increase to 47 percent according to a new American Barometer poll.

The survey, conducted by Hill.TV and the HarrisX polling company found that 23 percent of voters said they "strongly approved" of Trump, while 24 percent said they "somewhat" approved of him.

Fifty-three percent of voters said they disapproved of the president, with 37 percent saying they "strongly disapproved" and 17 percent saying they "somewhat disapproved."

The latest American Barometer marks a two-point increase in Trump's approval rating since before the midterms.

Forty-five percent of voters said they approved of the president before the contests, while 55 percent said they disapproved, according to the previous American Barometer.

The Real Clear Politics polling average had Trump's approval rating at 43 percent on Wednesday, while his disapproval stood at 53 percent.

The poll's release comes after last week's midterm elections, which were largely viewed as a referendum on Trump's first two years in office.

Democrats regained control of the House but Republicans maintained their hold on the Senate.

"It was a referendum to a large degree," Democratic pollster Silas Lee told Hill.TV's Joe Concha on "What America's Thinking."

"For some people it was a referendum on job approval and the performance and the demeanor of Donald Trump, and for others, they were out to protect Donald Trump. So we have a polarized nation," he continued.

The American Barometer was conducted on November 9-10 among 1,000 registered voters. The sampling margin of error is plus or minus 3.1 percent.

— Julia Manchester

As you can see, some people like you, River, Bob, Asea etc will never be swayed to the republican party as it is today. You are not who the party is targeting anymore. The never Trumpers lost big time in the mid terms and now the republicans that remain are more loyal overall than the previous group of clowns. I even think it was you HawkTalk that pointed out how the senate had an immigration bill but Ryan blocked it. I'm glad he's gone as he really didn't do any favors for the party or their issues as speaker.

[Aseahawkfan]

[First, the visiting the cemetary in France I can understand. Lots of things happen overseas and schedules are often changed for reasons I can't really expound on here online.

Not going to Arlington is a bit disappointing but not in a huge way. When I was in the service I was a "in the dirt" guy. Serving in the 82nd Airborne, 5th, 1st and 11th Special Forces groups all were action oriented outfits but because they are "elite" groups, everyone wanted to show case us on parades. WE HATED PARADES!!!! There should be two armies, one for show and one for fighting. The pomp and circumstance is great for those who want a display but the real job is in the swamps and dirt. Places most people would never go let alone voluntarily. The things this POTUS has done for the fighting army way outweighs the open display of placing a wreath for show in the eyes of most military people I know. So hopefully that puts a rest to that issue.

REgarding his breaking the mid 40s, it depends on which poll you read. We know the polls are very biased except for the week or two around the actual election when they get their feet held to the fire and are either found out to be a fraud or a fact based poll. So here's the poll right after the mid terms.


As you can see, some people like you, River, Bob, Asea etc will never be swayed to the republican party as it is today. You are not who the party is targeting anymore. The never Trumpers lost big time in the mid terms and now the republicans that remain are more loyal overall than the previous group of clowns. I even think it was you HawkTalk that pointed out how the senate had an immigration bill but Ryan blocked it. I'm glad he's gone as he really didn't do any favors for the party or their issues as speaker.

I'm not for either of these idiotic parties. They are poisonous to America. They have sold us out to foreign powers and you're supporting a president that is saying it to your face while you pretend you care about America. You don't care. Another Faketriot willing to support selling us out to foreign powers to support a false leader that has sold out our values. You don't have values, you mindlessly support leaders that have proven they have sided against our nation and protecting our people.

This president doesn't support our veterans. Doesn't support our people. Is blatantly sending the message that you can kill Americans to keep oil cheap. The fact you think that is ok shows clearly what kind of person you are.

You Trump-bots are real "tough" when standing up to a bunch of poor immigrants, but you lose all that toughness when Saudi Arabia murders a few people and threatens America with their support of terrorism. You are a now clearly a complete and pathetic hypocrite fake like the president you support.

[Hawktawk]

[quote="Aseahawkfan"]

I'm not for either of these idiotic parties. They are poisonous to America. They have sold us out to foreign powers and you're supporting a president that is saying it to your face while you pretend you care about America. You don't care. Another Faketriot willing to support selling us out to foreign powers to support a false leader that has sold out our values. You don't have values, you mindlessly support leaders that have proven they have sided against our nation and protecting our people.

Hear hear! I hate both parties.As most know I voted for Gary Johnson in 2016. I believe the Duopoly of Demicans and Republicrats is utterly corrupt and inept but when third parties like Johnson /Weld cant get on the debate stage despite millions of people supporting them a third option will never happen. I voted democratic for the most part this cycle not because I like much of anything about them except it was a message to Trump and a check and balance on Trump. I believe the Pres is far and away the most important and consequential elected official in the world and must be held to a much higher standard than this ass clown will ever attain.

It was a wasted exercise in eastern washington trumptard country which elected R state rep Matt Manweller back to the house despite him being credibly accused by 17 women of sexual misconduct causing his firing from Central Wa University where he was a tenured professor.He promised to resign but currently has done no such thing. It's no different in terms of statewide federal elections for the Trumptards or just decent nose holding Rs voting for state or federal office in the USSR of WA.

[Hawktawk]

The never Trumpers lost big time in the mid terms and now the republicans that remain are more loyal overall than the previous group of clowns. I even think it was you HawkTalk that pointed out how the senate had an immigration bill but Ryan blocked it. I'm glad he's gone as he really didn't do any favors for the party or their issues as speaker.

The never trumpers lost ID come on buddy. AZ has a democratic senator in Jeff Flake's seat for the first time in nearly 4 decades and Trump campaigned constantly for McSally, a former AF pilot who clung to the Trump party as tight as possible. He really looks stupid in hindsight having said "I retired Jeff Flake" on election day. Repubs don't hold a single seat in orange country anymore.

Even in states Trump won handily such as texas straight up left wing liberal Beto O'rourke lost by less than 3 percentage points to the boot licking Trump lackey Cruz.

The strange dynamic of a split vote had more to do with the perfect storm of Dems defending 27 seats, many in states won handily by Trump to 9 for Rs. In other words Dems had THREE TIMES the seats to defend and still lost at worst a net of 2 depending on mississippi where the KKK loving straight up old south racist R candidate is in the battle of her life.The vote on the rapist may have motivated just enough people oK with a rapist on the supreme court to be the difference and polls showed that but I'm still proud of the people who voted their conscience. Its borne out on the flip side as Manchin in W Virginia won comfortably in a deep red state carried by Trump by 40 points after backing the rapist despte Trump Sr and Junior backing his opponent.

In total nationally Dems won more house seat than they did in any election since watergate. The generic vote totals for Dems nationwide was + 8 million over Repubs and a record number of people voted overall. It was about Trump whether he wanted to say it wasnt after being on the stump for months saying it was.

And guess whose party is on the hot seat in 2020 in the senate....Trump party members who think their feckless despicable toxic leader is getting them anywhere in 2020 are deluded unless Hillary runs again.

As for Paul Ryan my beef is the fact that he went from a guy who said he would not back Trump after the P@ssy tape and called Trumps racist comments about a "mexican judge" who presided over his fake university lawsuit "the classic example of a racist comment" fell right in line and allowed his congress to run interference for Trump with the likes of Dana Rohrabacher and the detestable russian tool Devin Nunes. The game playing with millions of brown skinned desperate people's lives is just the icing on the cake.And to think I thought he'd be an excellent president

[idhawkman]

Well you have the Democratic talking points down really well. Are you sure you have ever voted R?

[RiverDog]

Well you have the Democratic talking points down really well. Are you sure you have ever voted R?

Look at who's calling the kettle black!

The results of the midterms were mixed at best, perhaps tinted a little blue. The Dems may end up flipping as many as 40 seats in the House when they only needed 23 to gain control. You predicted that the R's would hold onto the House and now you're boasting that the midterms were a big win for Trump. And where is this 4 or 5 seat pickup you predicted in the Senate? The last time I looked, despite their huge mathematical advantage going into the election, the R's picked up just two Senate seats.

If anyone is spinning results and parroting a party's talking points, it's you.

[Hawktawk]

Well you have the Democratic talking points down really well. Are you sure you have ever voted R?

Im 59 never voted anything but straight ticket R before and voted every election.Based on the results where Trump got creamed everywhere but deep red districts and states including getting shellacked in the rust belt that won him the electoral college I can't be the only one. Its called a canary in a coal mine when a lifelong Fox watching Rush listening broken glass conservative republican votes for a party I really can't stand because the crazy orange witch is 1000 times worse.

I have the TRUTH points down. You are delusional if you think the midterms were anything but a wipeout for the Trump party and his unhinged behavior shows he knows it too....

[RiverDog]

I have the TRUTH points down. You are delusional if you think the midterms were anything but a wipeout for the Trump party and his unhinged behavior shows he knows it too....

There was some things that the R's can hang their hats on. They did expand their majority in the Senate. That's huge, as now there won't be pressure on McConnell to keep every single Senator on the reservation and will help if Trump gets another SCOTUS nomination. They secured a Senate seat in Florida, a key swing state. Additionally, the House flip wasn't as large as some party's losses have been when they've held the White House. The average loss, dating back to Roosevelt, has been a net loss of about 30 seats, so 40 isn't an eye popping number. In 2010, the Dems lost 63 House seats plus 6 more in the Senate, and in 1974, the post Watergate R's lost 48 seats in the House and 5 in the Senate when they were already in the minority.

Like I said, the results for Trump were mixed at best and more realistically had a slightly blue tint to them.

[idhawkman]

Its called a canary in a coal mine when a lifelong Fox watching Rush listening broken glass conservative republican votes for a party I really can't stand because the crazy orange witch is 1000 times worse.

I have the TRUTH points down. You are delusional if you think the midterms were anything but a wipeout for the Trump party and his unhinged behavior shows he knows it too....

So since Rush and Fox are "in the Trump camp" you are just as opposed to them now, too? Or have you lost your party when the party is intact?

[idhawkman]

I have the TRUTH points down. You are delusional if you think the midterms were anything but a wipeout for the Trump party and his unhinged behavior shows he knows it too....

The biggest thing to take out of what "he knows" is that immigration is having a big effect on elections now. Look along the border districts between California all the way to Texas. Almost all blue which used to be red. It cost the Rs a Senate seat in AZ and almost cost Cruz his seat in Texas. So the big thing to take away is to stop the illegal immigration and stop the blue creep up from the south. I think another thing you will see is a lot of prosecutions over the next year for voter fraud and election law violations. We'll have to wait to see if this bears out but I think you will see it ramp up in the next year. The new AG is going to be an interesting nomination and fight in the Senate.

Thought I'd edit this to put in a link to more charges of voter fraud happening.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/13/voter-fraud-real-heres-proof/

And another one: https://hotair.com/archives/2018/10/17/paid-democratic-voter-fraud-ring-uncovered-texas/

and the hits just keep on coming: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/08/07/voter-fraud-670-ballots-cast-georgia-precinct-276-voters/

I could go on but if someone thinks that voter fraud isn't disenfranchising a large part of the electorate then they are just wrong.