Freshmen Democrats in the House

[idhawkman]

I'm sure all those who won in swing districts are so proud that their centrist platform that they ran on is being hijacked by socialism and anti-semitism. Unreal that the House can't get a simple anti-semitism bill to the floor for a vote. Now delayed a second time for rewrites. Pelosi will rue the day she got the speakership back and will end up a failed politician because of the hijacking that the radicals are dragging her into.

They are making Trump's reelection easier and easier.

[Hawktawk]

I'm sure all those who won in swing districts are so proud that their centrist platform that they ran on is being hijacked by socialism and anti-semitism. Unreal that the House can't get a simple anti-semitism bill to the floor for a vote. Now delayed a second time for rewrites. Pelosi will rue the day she got the speakership back and will end up a failed politician because of the hijacking that the radicals are dragging her into.

They are making Trump's reelection easier and easier.

Well for once we find something we pretty much agree on although not completely. The recent outcry against Biden for calling Pence a "decent guy" in the context of the utterly mute response to Pence's mention of trump's name in a european forum due to his stance on LGBT issues is just emblematic of the touchy feely ninnies at the leftward fringe.
But a majority of the democrats were able to call unacceptable behavior what it is is in stark contrast to republicans who are privately aghast but publicly unwilling to criticize or censure the idiot in chief fearing a primary challenge from the 33% trumptard base. And Pelosi has personally dressed the two major offenders down publicly and harshly.

But there is no question the left wing of the democrat party chock full of socialists, communists. muslim activists who are anti semitic, presidential candidates like Sanders and Warren are making it POSSIBLE for Trump to eke out another win in 2020.

Id not say easy though. Although his poll numbers job wise are the highest average of his presidency at 46% his "strong approve" number is in the high 20s. 54% disapprove of him and 46% STRONGLY disapprove. Hes at 42% in Florida. 52 % nationally say they will never vote for him as president. In New Hampshire 32% of Republicans would welcome a primary challenge and his approval among republicans is in the low 80% range. And a 9 year economic expansion and equally long if leveling out bull run in the stock market is baked in to these numbers.
But I agree the Dems are overplaying their hand. If their platform is socialism and we hate Trump he's got a shot to do it like he did last time, especially with Vlad Putin helping even more than last time

[idhawkman]

Well for once we find something we pretty much agree on although not completely. The recent outcry against Biden for calling Pence a "decent guy" in the context of the utterly mute response to Pence's mention of trump's name in a european forum due to his stance on LGBT issues is just emblematic of the touchy feely ninnies at the leftward fringe.
But a majority of the democrats were able to call unacceptable behavior what it is is in stark contrast to republicans who are privately aghast but publicly unwilling to criticize or censure the idiot in chief fearing a primary challenge from the 33% trumptard base. And Pelosi has personally dressed the two major offenders down publicly and harshly.

C'mon now, we agree pretty much on Seahawk stuff.

You are really going to hold Pelosi out as a stalwart against hate after the watered down resolution they passed yesterday in the house? She got run out of her own meeting by the socialist freshmen. She's losing control of the dem party and if she doesn't get a hold on the socialists, she's going to end up being one of the scapegoats to the downfall of the entire democrat party.

But there is no question the left wing of the democrat party chock full of socialists, communists. muslim activists who are anti semitic, presidential candidates like Sanders and Warren are making it POSSIBLE for Trump to eke out another win in 2020.

Id not say easy though. Although his poll numbers job wise are the highest average of his presidency at 46% his "strong approve" number is in the high 20s. 54% disapprove of him and 46% STRONGLY disapprove. Hes at 42% in Florida. 52 % nationally say they will never vote for him as president. In New Hampshire 32% of Republicans would welcome a primary challenge and his approval among republicans is in the low 80% range. And a 9 year economic expansion and equally long if leveling out bull run in the stock market is baked in to these numbers.
But I agree the Dems are overplaying their hand. If their platform is socialism and we hate Trump he's got a shot to do it like he did last time, especially with Vlad Putin helping even more than last time

You can't handicap this election until we know who the eventual candidate is. Putting Trump up against a gerneric "Democrat candidate" or going off polls which we know are flawed when it comes to Trump is just folly. Trump's approval rating is higher than Obama's and Reagan's at the same time in their first term.

[Aseahawkfan]

I personally haven't met a Muslim that doesn't think similarly to the Congresswoman that made the remarks. Not all Muslims hate Jews. That would be false to say. There is a definite distrust of Jewish people and a definitely hate and mistrust of Israel within the Muslim community. The Zionists as they are called among Muslims will be driven out and Israel destroyed one day in their mind. None of this trash by the Democrats is going to change a single opinion within that community. Democrats are like stupid cows walking into a slaughter that they don't want to believe will happen because they don't pay attention to what another culture believes.

There's a few ways to be stupid in this world. One is being a racist prick writing entire other cultures and people off as bad for shallow, evil reasons. Then there is ignoring the bad elements and beliefs of another culture to defend it for shallow, vain reasons. Democrats are not noticing the cultural elements building within their base that are going to be very costly for them down the line.

[RiverDog]

I'm sure all those who won in swing districts are so proud that their centrist platform that they ran on is being hijacked by socialism and anti-semitism. Unreal that the House can't get a simple anti-semitism bill to the floor for a vote. Now delayed a second time for rewrites. Pelosi will rue the day she got the speakership back and will end up a failed politician because of the hijacking that the radicals are dragging her into.

They are making Trump's reelection easier and easier.

Trump has problems of his own. I read the other day that he's in big trouble in Florida. The news hasn't been good for DJT. His re-election is far more difficult than you are stating.

But I agree with the rest of your comments. The incoming freshman class of Democrats are like no other, and a lot of it has to do with the way they are connected on social media. Ohmar got a whole bunch of support in recent days, which is why she decided to step back from her original thoughts of being more conciliatory. Heck, she's even been attacking Obama, who still enjoys huge support amongst Democrats as about half of them think he's the best Dem POTUS since Roosevelt. It used to be that freshmen Congressmen had to yield to their seniors and pretty much fall in line with what their leadership wanted and wait their turn. Not anymore.

Pelosi is scared to death of the possibility of the party being split and although I personally disagreed with the tact she's taken as we must call out hate and intolerance whenever and wherever it occurs, the reality is that there's no way out for her. It's one of those "you can please some of the people all of the time or all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all the time moments.

[Hawktawk]

Polls show a majority of democrats prefer a more moderate candidate in 2020 strictly to beat Trump even though a majority,51% view themselves as liberal as opposed to 33% Moderate and 16% conservative.

But the money and the juice is with the loonies on the fringe. I've been wondering what's up with Biden as he is the hands down favorite in the general election vs trump. It's the primary he might not be able to negotiate with some racially insensitive comments from 40 years ago , some creepy uncle Joe moments with women and girls and more recently attacks over his innocent remarks about Pence being a "decent" guy from these shrill uber PC ninnies on the leftward fringe.

I dunno, for a guy who said he would like to take Trump out to the woodshed hes been pretty quiet.

In still rooting for a credible primary challenge or strong 3rd party challenge. Over 30% have said they would be willing to look at a third party candidate this time around. If it gets to 34% look out.

[Aseahawkfan]

But I agree with the rest of your comments. The incoming freshman class of Democrats are like no other, and a lot of it has to do with the way they are connected on social media. Ohmar got a whole bunch of support in recent days, which is why she decided to step back from her original thoughts of being more conciliatory. Heck, she's even been attacking Obama, who still enjoys huge support amongst Democrats as about half of them think he's the best Dem POTUS since Roosevelt. It used to be that freshmen Congressmen had to yield to their seniors and pretty much fall in line with what their leadership wanted and wait their turn. Not anymore.

She received support because that is what the people that support her believe. I've heard comments like Omar's or much worse from every Muslim I've ever met. I know plenty. Israel is a sore topic with them. And Islamic nations as a whole including their news stations and community talk is quite clear that America supports Israel, Israel is against Islam,and America is a shill of Israel.

I have zero doubt that if Islam or Muslims ever became a majority in America that they would destroy Israel. Like zero hesitation, Israel is done. Not to mention the implementation of Islamic Law and a burning of our Constitution as false and heretical.

I know you are pretty clueless on these matters as most Americans are. I've spent plenty of time conversing with Muslims. Some of the nicest folk I've met. Share their food, family oriented, generally friendly. But Islam is installed in their brain as deeply as I've ever seen a belief system installed. They do not like like any challengers to it. They literally shutdown if you challenge Islamic ideas like apostasy or falsehoods in their religion because in the nations they come from you are killed for asking such questions for questioning Islam. If you discuss Israel with them, they just tell you Israel runs America and thus the world. That the Zionists stole the land and will pay one day.

The Democrats can keep being clueless to our death if they want. Wouldn't be the first time they've been dumb as a rock when it comes to foreign affairs.

Bill Maher is one of the only leftists sounding the alarm in the leftist house. He just gets shouted down as anti-Islam and such rather than being a aware and informed person on the matter.

[Hawktawk]

The same or worse can be said for the trumptard evangelical base that demonizes anyone who criticizes the pussy groping racist despot coddling wanna be king . And as opposed to being an ostracized freshmen member of a party the majority of which vehemently opposes her views this is the president who enjoys over 80% popularity in his party. The trumptard base went Gaga over him autographing bibles he’s never cracked open in Alabama. It’s truly a cult .


The alarm about Muslims taking over America is fantasy. The reality of trump and the zombie army tearing apart America is in full view.

[RiverDog]

Polls show a majority of democrats prefer a more moderate candidate in 2020 strictly to beat Trump even though a majority,51% view themselves as liberal as opposed to 33% Moderate and 16% conservative.

But the money and the juice is with the loonies on the fringe. I've been wondering what's up with Biden as he is the hands down favorite in the general election vs trump. It's the primary he might not be able to negotiate with some racially insensitive comments from 40 years ago , some creepy uncle Joe moments with women and girls and more recently attacks over his innocent remarks about Pence being a "decent" guy from these shrill uber PC ninnies on the leftward fringe.

I dunno, for a guy who said he would like to take Trump out to the woodshed hes been pretty quiet.

In still rooting for a credible primary challenge or strong 3rd party challenge. Over 30% have said they would be willing to look at a third party candidate this time around. If it gets to 34% look out.

The problem with a viable 3rd party is that our Constitution requires that the POTUS be elected by at least 50% of the electoral college or else the election goes to the House of Representatives, which would favor the majority party's candidate. And in the case of the 2020 election, the most viable independent would be Howard Schultz, and as a lifelong Democrat, he would take more away from the Dems than he would the R's and virtually guarantee Trump of another 4 years.

Regarding Biden, he's not a firebrand with a vision and a burning desire to sit in the Oval Office as he's been in and out of the POTUS race for 30 years. If he runs, he'll get the nomination but the left wing of the party will beat him up so badly that it will hurt him in the general election. But he is the type of candidate that can draw moderate voters away from Trump while still getting his base out.

The same math that favored the R's in the 2018 Senate election will come back to haunt them in 2020. Look for the Dems to take over both houses of Congress. That's why Ginsberg is holding off from retiring as no matter who wins the POTUS election, the Senate will change hands, making it more difficult to get another conservative on SCOTUS. Much to my dismay, at least the first part of the 2020's are setting up to be a very liberal decade.

[Aseahawkfan]

The same or worse can be said for the trumptard evangelical base that demonizes anyone who criticizes the pussy groping racist despot coddling wanna be king . And as opposed to being an ostracized freshmen member of a party the majority of which vehemently opposes her views this is the president who enjoys over 80% popularity in his party. The trumptard base went Gaga over him autographing bibles he’s never cracked open in Alabama. It’s truly a cult .

No. The same cannot be said for Evangelical base since they make up only a small percentage of America and don't reflect our entire culture.

The alarm about Muslims taking over America is fantasy. The reality of trump and the zombie army tearing apart America is in full view.

Muslims taking over America has nothing to do with it. It's more acknowledging their cultural attitudes are what has been expressed. They believe what they believe and are taught it within their culture. This idea only Euro-ancestry people are prejudice or racist is the leftist fantasy.

I have seen and heard enough in talking with Muslims, reading their newspapers, watching their news channels, reading on their teachings on web sites, and generally learning about and reading on Muslim culture. It is quite clear that the vast majority of Muslims despise the Zionist movement, they want Israel gone, and they do not trust those that support Israel or the Jewish people. We're talking the vast majority 90% plus of a people that number almost 2 billion.

There are several popular clerics that preach the doctrines many Muslims follow around the world. One of them is Sistani, a cleric in Iraq. He's considered a moderate. Then there is the son of a former powerful cleric we know as Moqtada Al Sadr. Then there is this guy, maybe the most popular Muslim speaker in the world: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zakir_Naik. Give him a read. He's a guy that what would be considered a very moderate Muslim an Afghani told me to watch. I read what he was teaching thinking to myself, "This is moderate? Ohhhk."

As far as taking over America, there is no danger of that. But it should be quite well known that we are letting folks into this nation who clearly don't believe in our values. They are here almost strictly for the money, jobs, and stability. Our culture they view as not aligned with their beliefs.

All I'm saying is this cluelessness Americans have about what Muslim groups I believe is going to bite them in the ass if they don't wake up to it beforehand and start understanding that there is a great deal more to why things are the way they are then this general, "They're trying to take our freedom." Muslims in general are indoctrinated into a very, very isolated and focused culture that doesn't suffer anyone to question it's core teachings. I even talked with an Afghani that thought the Quran was the source for how men built flying planes. He didn't even know about the Wright brothers at all. He had been taught almost everything through the lens if Islam.

It's like people from The Dark Ages of Europe in their thinking, but with modern technology. It's kind of strange. You won't change things there by cutting folks off. But Americans should also understand the source of beliefs like Omar's. Its not some isolated belief by her. It is the standard belief or worse of Islamic folks towards Jews and the Jewish state of Israel. That is what the vast majority of Muslims believe. Those that ignore this are doing so at their own peril. I hope they don't go, "Wait a minute? Why are these folks against Israel. Now they're attacking? What does it all mean?" Because that's just dumb. People need to be aware that this belief is an ingrained part of Muslim belief as ingrained as we viewed Russia during The Cold War.

Just to be clear. I don't America has a great deal to worry about other than terrorist attacks and probably a very large scale NBC attack at some point. Let's just say if I were immortal, I would bet everything I own, sell my house and all my assets, and put all my money that the Muslims are going to destroy Israel and there will be a big Jewish genocide again. As soon as America is weak and Israel has no strong defender in the world, they will make their move. One thing I've learned reading Muslim history is they are very patient and never forget. They quietly pass on their feuds to each generation. They wait until their enemy is weak and they are strong, then they move to destroy him. There are a lot of wealthy and powerful Muslim folk in the world watching, waiting, and ready to pounce when the wind shifts in their direction. And it's going to happen someday. 6 million people sitting on an island surrounded by hundreds of millions of people wanting you gone is a recipe for human tragedy.

[RiverDog]

I have seen and heard enough in talking with Muslims, reading their newspapers, watching their news channels, reading on their teachings on web sites, and generally learning about and reading on Muslim culture. It is quite clear that the vast majority of Muslims despise the Zionist movement, they want Israel gone, and they do not trust those that support Israel or the Jewish people. We're talking the vast majority 90% plus of a people that number almost 2 billion.

I haven't had the same experience with American Muslims. I've seen some that definitely are as you describe, particularly some of the new arrivals, but I wouldn't put it anywhere close to 90%. Certainly the 2nd generation and later are not of that mindset.

But you're missing the point of the OP. The problem we're discussing isn't about Muslims and their place in American society. It's about how the Democratic party has been split down the middle and how Pelosi caved into them by making a very general declaration about all forms of hate. I once had a boss like that. One or two individuals would screw up and rather than taking them to task for it, he'd chicken out and write something in our log book that spread his disapproval over a larger body.

Pelosi should have come right out and called a spade a spade, say that Omar was wrong to say what she did, that her comments did not represent what the party and the country were all about, and told her in private that if it happened again she'd be taken off the committee. All her meaningless resolution did was to kick the can down the road. It was like passing a resolution to continue to celebrate the 4th of July.

[idhawkman]

Polls show a majority of democrats prefer a more moderate candidate in 2020 strictly to beat Trump even though a majority,51% view themselves as liberal as opposed to 33% Moderate and 16% conservative.

This is a problem for the dems. If they pick a socialist (Bernie) as their 2020 candidate they get Howard Shultz running as a independent and a lot of their voters will sit on the sideline and not show up at the polls on election day. If they pick a moderate, they lose the radical left wing and all the students. Quite the quandary they are facing.

But the money and the juice is with the loonies on the fringe. I've been wondering what's up with Biden as he is the hands down favorite in the general election vs trump. It's the primary he might not be able to negotiate with some racially insensitive comments from 40 years ago , some creepy uncle Joe moments with women and girls and more recently attacks over his innocent remarks about Pence being a "decent" guy from these shrill uber PC ninnies on the leftward fringe.

I dunno, for a guy who said he would like to take Trump out to the woodshed hes been pretty quiet.

Yep, that's the problem. You have Biden and Bernie leading by far in the dem polls. No one else even comes close to those two. Just to summarize, the two front runners for the party nomination are two old white guys who have been in congress for decades. Trump is going to have a field day with this.

In still rooting for a credible primary challenge or strong 3rd party challenge. Over 30% have said they would be willing to look at a third party candidate this time around. If it gets to 34% look out.

Yep, split the vote.

[Aseahawkfan]

I haven't had the same experience with American Muslims. I've seen some that definitely are as you describe, particularly some of the new arrivals, but I wouldn't put it anywhere close to 90%. Certainly the 2nd generation and later are not of that mindset.

I would definitely describe it as 90% plus. There is no love or sympathy for Israel in the Muslim community. If you have any Muslim friends, I highly recommend querying them, not just their personal beliefs but what folks believe in their country. They have some real nutty laws that shocked me like jail time or worse for infidelity, the apostasy laws where if you convert form Islam to another religion you will be jailed or killed, or laws for questioning the Quran that once again put you in prison or dead. It's a very controlling society they grow up in.

You're right there. 2nd generation Muslims raised here usually don't share the violent mindset. They are more Americanized, though still distrustful if Israel, but not as militant about it. I have not met a Muslim, any generation, that thought well of Israel. Though I've known plenty that like America.Even my 2nd and later generation Muslim friends tend to chuckle and tell me how Israel has bought off America and how the powerful Jews in America exert control over American foreign policy. That part does not change by generation, only the degree and intensity of the belief. It's why I believe Israel is done at some point. When generations of people numbering in the billions can successfully sell a belief about Israel being the evil guy in their story, you're going to have a hard time standing the test of time.

But you're missing the point of the OP. The problem we're discussing isn't about Muslims and their place in American society. It's about how the Democratic party has been split down the middle and how Pelosi caved into them by making a very general declaration about all forms of hate. I once had a boss like that. One or two individuals would screw up and rather than taking them to task for it, he'd chicken out and write something in our log book that spread his disapproval over a larger body.

Pelosi can't do anything about this. What I'm trying to explain to you is that the Democratic Party sells a message that works for liberal "whites." They barely seem to understand that their platform is very unaligned with many groups within their voting bloc that they sell almost solely on racism or economics. Muslims are very conservative people. They would vote more Republican if the Republicans didn't seem racist. There are tons of groups like Evangelical folk of African and Asian descent, Christians from other nations raised in a highly conservative Christian environment, Asians from deeply conservative Asian nations, and the like within the Democratic fold that believe things that make Republicans look liberal in regards to race, gender, and homosexuality. Conservative Latins definitely don't like a lot of what the Democratic Party sells, but they go with them because the choice seems like a racist group against them or the Democrats.

Pelosi should have come right out and called a spade a spade, say that Omar was wrong to say what she did, that her comments did not represent what the party and the country were all about, and told her in private that if it happened again she'd be taken off the committee. All her meaningless resolution did was to kick the can down the road. It was like passing a resolution to continue to celebrate the 4th of July.

The Democrats as a whole sell very few messages I can back. Their party was doing just as much BS sexual discrimination. The poster boy for bad treatment of women was a huge supporter of Democrats and their causes in Hollyweird. When I talk to Immigrants about voting, they vote almost solely on economic benefits and the belief the Republicans are racists and anti-immigrant. They don't like the social issues the Dems support much at all. Republicans could pull a huge margin of votes their way if they would get rid of the racial and anti-immigrant talking points and push the conservative family values to all these very family oriented immigrants from cultures where family is everything.