NK summit etc.

[Hawktawk]

After a report surfaced that the half brother of Kim jong Un who had been assassinated at his orders was CIA operative Trump commented that “ that would never have happened under my purvey” leading observers to think he was saying he wouldn’t let the CIA surveill his buddy rocket man. In the same shout over the helicopter interview he said he had received another warm wonderful letter from Kim. WTF is the matter with this guy?Played for a willing fool by a sawed off evil dictator. Not shocking he’s crushed in the polls and unlike many others before him he can’t turn the ship around.

[idhawkman]

After a report surfaced that the half brother of Kim jong Un who had been assassinated at his orders was CIA operative Trump commented that “ that would never have happened under my purvey” leading observers to think he was saying he wouldn’t let the CIA surveill his buddy rocket man. In the same shout over the helicopter interview he said he had received another warm wonderful letter from Kim. WTF is the matter with this guy?Played for a willing fool by a sawed off evil dictator. Not shocking he’s crushed in the polls and unlike many others before him he can’t turn the ship around.

You and River are peas in a pod. Look out!!! Everything is a conspiracy or lie. TDS is getting worse and I'm sure it will crescendo early November 2020 when he gets re-elected.

[RiverDog]

After a report surfaced that the half brother of Kim jong Un who had been assassinated at his orders was CIA operative Trump commented that “ that would never have happened under my purvey” leading observers to think he was saying he wouldn’t let the CIA surveill his buddy rocket man. In the same shout over the helicopter interview he said he had received another warm wonderful letter from Kim. WTF is the matter with this guy?Played for a willing fool by a sawed off evil dictator. Not shocking he’s crushed in the polls and unlike many others before him he can’t turn the ship around.

You and River are peas in a pod. Look out!!! Everything is a conspiracy or lie.

Idahawk the problem is that Trump is doing exactly what he did in the Khashoggi murder, ie jumping in bed with heads of state that are known to have tortured and murdered American citizens, at times elevating them above his political opponents here in the US. Do we have to remind you what the North Koreans did to Otto Warmbier?

To be fair, Trump is not the only POTUS to jump in bed with heads of state of these murderous regimes so long as they are satisfying some interest of ours. But this is EXACTLY why the government of the United States is seen as a double talking, morally corrupt, and money grubbing. Obviously Trump has to deal with people like Kim and the Crown Prince so I can appreciate him being between a rock and a hard spot, but he doesn't have to blow kisses at them.

TDS is getting worse and I'm sure it will crescendo early November 2020 when he gets re-elected.

If I were you, I wouldn't be feeling so smug in Trump's chances of getting re-elected. The latest polls show that half of that goofy Star Wars bar scene field of Dem candidates are beating Trump. Biden with a double digit lead, "Dr. Emmett Brown" Bernie Sanders is beating him by 9 points, Harris by 8 points, and even Pocahontas is up by 7 points. Mayor Pete, and Booker are beating him, too.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 425173001/

[idhawkman]

Idahawk the problem is that Trump is doing exactly what he did in the Khashoggi murder, ie jumping in bed with heads of state that are known to have tortured and murdered American citizens, at times elevating them above his political opponents here in the US. Do we have to remind you what the North Koreans did to Otto Warmbier?

To be fair, Trump is not the only POTUS to jump in bed with heads of state of these murderous regimes so long as they are satisfying some interest of ours. But this is EXACTLY why the government of the United States is seen as a double talking, morally corrupt, and money grubbing. Obviously Trump has to deal with people like Kim and the Crown Prince so I can appreciate him being between a rock and a hard spot, but he doesn't have to blow kisses at them.

I can understand your point here, truly I can. What I'd ask is what is the alternative to "jumping in bed" with them? There's a saying that says, keep your friends close and your enemies closer. You can't do that if you are not talking or if you insult them at every turn. Saudi owes this president a favor and so does Kim now. I'd rather have that and have the diplomats talking than to expel them and not be talking to them. There's got to be some areas that we can mutually work together while disagreeing in others.

If I were you, I wouldn't be feeling so smug in Trump's chances of getting re-elected. The latest polls show that half of that goofy Star Wars bar scene field of Dem candidates are beating Trump. Biden with a double digit lead, "Dr. Emmett Brown" Bernie Sanders is beating him by 9 points, Harris by 8 points, and even Pocahontas is up by 7 points. Mayor Pete, and Booker are beating him, too.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 425173001/

Phew! Thank goodness you are not me. Your head would explode. There's another study that says all incumbents are faced with the 15% behind in the polls this far out. Not only are the polls wrong (and the one you cited "quinepiac" had Trump losing by 7% to Hilliary the night before the election) they don't even know who is going to run against the most successful president in our history.

[idhawkman]

By the way, Wall street is predicting Trump wins. So who do you believe when predicting NFL games, the talking heads or the people putting their money on the line?

[RiverDog]

By the way, Wall street is predicting Trump wins. So who do you believe when predicting NFL games, the talking heads or the people putting their money on the line?

Bad analogy. Bookies aren't predicting anything, they're simply giving odds as a handicap to even out the bets. They will set the opening line according to how they think people will bet then adjust the odds as the bets start coming in. So if, for example, the Cowboys, with a large, nation wide fan base, are playing the Chargers, who don't have a tenth that fan base, are roughly equal talent wise, the bookies will favor the Cowboys just to encourage more bets on the Chargers. The house takes 5% on every bet, so they don't give a rip who wins, all they want to do is have 50% of the wagers on each side of the betting line.

So to answer your question, I'll believe the talking heads before I'll believe a bookie.

I don't believe any of these polls as being an accurate predictor of the final result when we're 18 months away from the election. I start paying attention after Labor Day when the real campaign gets in gear. My points were (1)it's always better to be ahead than behind and (2)that I wouldn't act so self assured as you appear to be that Trump is going to be re-elected.

[RiverDog]

Idahawk the problem is that Trump is doing exactly what he did in the Khashoggi murder, ie jumping in bed with heads of state that are known to have tortured and murdered American citizens, at times elevating them above his political opponents here in the US. Do we have to remind you what the North Koreans did to Otto Warmbier?

To be fair, Trump is not the only POTUS to jump in bed with heads of state of these murderous regimes so long as they are satisfying some interest of ours. But this is EXACTLY why the government of the United States is seen as a double talking, morally corrupt, and money grubbing. Obviously Trump has to deal with people like Kim and the Crown Prince so I can appreciate him being between a rock and a hard spot, but he doesn't have to blow kisses at them.

I can understand your point here, truly I can. What I'd ask is what is the alternative to "jumping in bed" with them? There's a saying that says, keep your friends close and your enemies closer. You can't do that if you are not talking or if you insult them at every turn. Saudi owes this president a favor and so does Kim now. I'd rather have that and have the diplomats talking than to expel them and not be talking to them. There's got to be some areas that we can mutually work together while disagreeing in others.

You apparently didn't read my last sentence: Obviously Trump has to deal with people like Kim and the Crown Prince so I can appreciate him being between a rock and a hard spot, but he doesn't have to blow kisses at them.

He doesn't have to talk up these guys and make them 'sound' more human when they're nothing but a worthless POS. Trump once characterized Kim as "quite a guy". How would you react to that if your son or daughter was tortured to death, having their teeth pulled out with a pair of pliers like what happened to Otto Warmbier only to hear your President refer to the leader of those thugs as "quite a guy"?

The POTUS is more than just the head of our government. He's our leader, both militarily as well as morally and spiritually, and Donald Trump gives me the impression that he doesn't give two hoots in hell about an American that was tortured to death. It was a similar scenario with the Saudis. That's one of the main reasons why I'm so fervently against DJT, because he's a piss poor leader.

[Hawktawk]

Trump cares about nobody but trump and his bottom line. With NK political capital is the bottom line. Kim Jong Un has played him for a fool. He got what he wanted which was a face to face and the NK flag next to old glory. He’s reneged on his agreements , will never denuclearize, is testing missiles in violation of UN security resolutions so trump has to
Pretend none of it is really happening and hope his 30 something zombie army doesn’t notice. With Saudi Arabia it’s his wallet. They’re lining his pockets in total violation of the emoluments clause. All those weapons he declared an emergency to sell them, vetoing the bipartisan bill to end support for the war in Yemen and these arms sales, definitely not giving a F#CK about a us resident , dissident journalist being garrotted to death in a Turkish embassy and hacked up with a bone saw....it’s all about money for trump now and after he leaves office . I better be careful because this vile pos is going to get me accused of wetting myself or being clinically insane if I unload what’s on my mind. Yes his poll numbers are awful but they are still way too high. I don’t know how he has 1% support. It’s a sad commentary on America.

[burrrton]

He's our leader, both militarily as well as morally and spiritually,

If I'm ever looking to a fcking *politician* for my moral and spiritual leadership, kill me. I mean it.

[idhawkman]

Bad analogy. Bookies aren't predicting anything, they're simply giving odds as a handicap to even out the bets. They will set the opening line according to how they think people will bet then adjust the odds as the bets start coming in. So if, for example, the Cowboys, with a large, nation wide fan base, are playing the Chargers, who don't have a tenth that fan base, are roughly equal talent wise, the bookies will favor the Cowboys just to encourage more bets on the Chargers. The house takes 5% on every bet, so they don't give a rip who wins, all they want to do is have 50% of the wagers on each side of the betting line.

So to answer your question, I'll believe the talking heads before I'll believe a bookie.

I don't believe any of these polls as being an accurate predictor of the final result when we're 18 months away from the election. I start paying attention after Labor Day when the real campaign gets in gear. My points were (1)it's always better to be ahead than behind and (2)that I wouldn't act so self assured as you appear to be that Trump is going to be re-elected.

Again, you try and divert, misdirect and go down rabbit holes. Who said anything about bookies? I said investors are predicting a Trump win (wall street). Think of it as which team is being bet on, not the bookie's line.

[idhawkman]

You apparently didn't read my last sentence: Obviously Trump has to deal with people like Kim and the Crown Prince so I can appreciate him being between a rock and a hard spot, but he doesn't have to blow kisses at them.

He doesn't have to talk up these guys and make them 'sound' more human when they're nothing but a worthless POS. Trump once characterized Kim as "quite a guy". How would you react to that if your son or daughter was tortured to death, having their teeth pulled out with a pair of pliers like what happened to Otto Warmbier only to hear your President refer to the leader of those thugs as "quite a guy"?

The POTUS is more than just the head of our government. He's our leader, both militarily as well as morally and spiritually, and Donald Trump gives me the impression that he doesn't give two hoots in hell about an American that was tortured to death. It was a similar scenario with the Saudis. That's one of the main reasons why I'm so fervently against DJT, because he's a piss poor leader.

You attract more flies with honey, too. Nothing wrong with buttering them up before getting what you want out of them. Crap, we've tried your way for decades and all we got were more nukes in NK. How many does it take before you think there might be a different way?

You remind me of an elephant that has been staked out as a cub and after it has grown doesn't think it can pull the stake out of the ground.

[RiverDog]

Bad analogy. Bookies aren't predicting anything, they're simply giving odds as a handicap to even out the bets. They will set the opening line according to how they think people will bet then adjust the odds as the bets start coming in. So if, for example, the Cowboys, with a large, nation wide fan base, are playing the Chargers, who don't have a tenth that fan base, are roughly equal talent wise, the bookies will favor the Cowboys just to encourage more bets on the Chargers. The house takes 5% on every bet, so they don't give a rip who wins, all they want to do is have 50% of the wagers on each side of the betting line.

So to answer your question, I'll believe the talking heads before I'll believe a bookie.

I don't believe any of these polls as being an accurate predictor of the final result when we're 18 months away from the election. I start paying attention after Labor Day when the real campaign gets in gear. My points were (1)it's always better to be ahead than behind and (2)that I wouldn't act so self assured as you appear to be that Trump is going to be re-elected.

Again, you try and divert, misdirect and go down rabbit holes. Who said anything about bookies? I said investors are predicting a Trump win (wall street). Think of it as which team is being bet on, not the bookie's line.

Once again, to answer your question, if given a choice between people betting money or talking heads, I'll go with the talking heads.

[RiverDog]

He's our leader, both militarily as well as morally and spiritually,

If I'm ever looking to a fcking *politician* for my moral and spiritual leadership, kill me. I mean it.

Yea, you have a point. That probably was not a good way of articulating what I was thinking. What I was trying to say was that a POTUS is more than just the head of our government, he's our representative, the type of person we want others to associate us with, like a team captain in sports. Perhaps not a perfect analogy but better than "morally and spiritually."

I can't help thinking about how Trump has continued to trash John McCain even after his death, a man while in service of his country was tortured by his captors, yet he wraps his arms around these truly evil heads of state. Especially when it's a little po-dunk country like North Korea, there's absolutely no reason why he has to add a human face to an animal like Kim. It's disgusting.

[RiverDog]

You attract more flies with honey, too. Nothing wrong with buttering them up before getting what you want out of them. Crap, we've tried your way for decades and all we got were more nukes in NK. How many does it take before you think there might be a different way?

Bullchit! North Korea is a nuisance, not a genuine threat, and Kim knows it. Trump does not need to be "buttering up" anyone in that stinking little country.

[idhawkman]

Bullchit! North Korea is a nuisance, not a genuine threat, and Kim knows it. Trump does not need to be "buttering up" anyone in that stinking little country.

Tell that to Hawaii when they had an accidental inbound bomb alert a year or so ago. Or maybe US territory, Guam. They don't think NK is a "nuisance" and I'm positive if they start raining bombs down on S. Korea and Japan it will have devastating effects on the world's economy including ours.

[Aseahawkfan]

Phew! Thank goodness you are not me. Your head would explode. There's another study that says all incumbents are faced with the 15% behind in the polls this far out. Not only are the polls wrong (and the one you cited "quinepiac" had Trump losing by 7% to Hilliary the night before the election) they don't even know who is going to run against the most successful president in our history.

Most successful president in our history? Are you drinking too much and smoking too much weed while watching Trump propaganda videos? What the hell metrics are you going of? This easy money inflated economy with historically low interest rates?

[idhawkman]

Most successful president in our history? Are you drinking too much and smoking too much weed while watching Trump propaganda videos? What the hell metrics are you going of? This easy money inflated economy with historically low interest rates?

No, his accomplishments. Including everything from an Embassy in Jerusalem, to the economy to approved judges and so much more. I listed a long list a number of months ago of his accomplishments but he's added to that even more.

This might help you out a bit.

https://www.facebook.com/1110167725/videos/10217668560401699/?t=9

[RiverDog]

Phew! Thank goodness you are not me. Your head would explode. There's another study that says all incumbents are faced with the 15% behind in the polls this far out. Not only are the polls wrong (and the one you cited "quinepiac" had Trump losing by 7% to Hilliary the night before the election) they don't even know who is going to run against the most successful president in our history.

Most successful president in our history? Are you drinking too much and smoking too much weed while watching Trump propaganda videos? What the hell metrics are you going of? This easy money inflated economy with historically low interest rates?

Jefferson doubled the size of the country, Lincoln ended slavery, FDR ended the Great Depression and won World War 2, but by God that Donald Trump is the most successful President in our history!

Idahawk, in all seriousness, do you realize how close you are getting to worshiping Donald Trump as if he is some sort of deity?

[Hawktawk]

[quote="idhawkman"
Tell that to Hawaii when they had an accidental inbound bomb alert a year or so ago. Or maybe US territory, Guam. They don't think NK is a "nuisance" and I'm positive if they start raining bombs down on S. Korea and Japan it will have devastating effects on the world's economy including ours.[/quote]


Yeah good point . It’s also worth noting that Trump didn’t even pause his round of golf during the false alert that wasn’t verified as false for an hour. Make America super duper great and super safe too

[burrrton]

It’s also worth noting that Trump didn’t even pause his round of golf during the false alert that wasn’t verified as false for an hour.

There's a *zero* percent chance our security apparatus didn't know it was false long before Hawaii's did.

I don't care about giving Trump the benefit of the doubt, but there's no way he figures he'll finish the round when there's an incoming nuke. Don't be ridiculous- it just contributes to the reason so many won't take valid criticism of him seriously.

[Hawktawk]

There's a *zero* percent chance our security apparatus didn't know it was false long before Hawaii's did.

I don't care about giving Trump the benefit of the doubt, but there's no way he figures he'll finish the round when there's an incoming nuke. Don't be ridiculous- it just contributes to the reason so many won't take valid criticism of him seriously.

Come on Burt you’re smarter than this . People in Hawaii are running for their lives scrambling for cover and dildo baggins couldn’t even be bothered to stop his round , show his face and reassure the people it was ok .


It was not what any other president would have done . Of course no other president has spent 100 million dollars on golf at 2.5 years in his term or 2 of every 10 days in office golfing . And that after he (and I) ragged on Obama for golfing too much and spending too much on vacations .

[idhawkman]

Jefferson doubled the size of the country, Lincoln ended slavery, FDR ended the Great Depression and won World War 2, but by God that Donald Trump is the most successful President in our history!

Idahawk, in all seriousness, do you realize how close you are getting to worshiping Donald Trump as if he is some sort of deity?

It only seems that way to people with TDS.

[idhawkman]

Yeah good point . It’s also worth noting that Trump didn’t even pause his round of golf during the false alert that wasn’t verified as false for an hour. Make America super duper great and super safe too

Yeah, because the Generals wouldn't have known when they told him about it that they had not detected any such launch let alone any such prep to launch. Don't be duped by the talking points you heard on the media. The president knew it was false when they told him.

[Hawktawk]

https://www.apnews.com/3fba5cf04deb44d2a3dc0517b794c1ff
Couple this with news a couple of years ago of an emergency readiness drill involving 40 million Russian citizens and the fact Moscow has underground bomb shelters for 12 million people and its not a reassuring feeling.

This has always been my greatest fear since I was old enough to understand it which is about 50 years. I would hope that every leader on the planet would believe its too big a risk to civilization to ever launch but its well known there are military hawks on every side that think if you get off first it can be won.

At a minimum Putin has continued hell bent on modernizing and growing his nuclear forces to the point they are superior to ours, more missiles, more stealthy subs, mobile launched cruise missiles almost impossible to track.The Satan II so powerful one ICBM is capable of wiping out an area the size of Texas and it was rolled out by Putin with considerable fanfare including a video depiction of it hitting Mar A Lago. Not a peep from his patsy Trump either.

The recent "skyfall" accident in Russia reveals they are working on a nuclear reactor powered cruise missile that could stay aloft theoretically for years making it impossible to defend against. Meanwhile our nuclear forces date back to the 70s and 80s in some cases. And this dormant topic reminds of the discussion had in the wake of the false alarm on an inbound missile to hawaii that this POTUS is utterly incompetent as commander in chief, doesn't listen to his military or intelligence brass, is extremely risk averse and clearly compromised by any number of foreign leaders.

One again, I hope I'm SO wrong about this and that the earth never experiences it. But If I was Putin and really believed it was winnable Id think there was never a better time.

[Aseahawkfan]

https://www.apnews.com/3fba5cf04deb44d2a3dc0517b794c1ff
Couple this with news a couple of years ago of an emergency readiness drill involving 40 million Russian citizens and the fact Moscow has underground bomb shelters for 12 million people and its not a reassuring feeling.

This has always been my greatest fear since I was old enough to understand it which is about 50 years. I would hope that every leader on the planet would believe its too big a risk to civilization to ever launch but its well known there are military hawks on every side that think if you get off first it can be won.

At a minimum Putin has continued hell bent on modernizing and growing his nuclear forces to the point they are superior to ours, more missiles, more stealthy subs, mobile launched cruise missiles almost impossible to track.The Satan II so powerful one ICBM is capable of wiping out an area the size of Texas and it was rolled out by Putin with considerable fanfare including a video depiction of it hitting Mar A Lago. Not a peep from his patsy Trump either.

The recent "skyfall" accident in Russia reveals they are working on a nuclear reactor powered cruise missile that could stay aloft theoretically for years making it impossible to defend against. Meanwhile our nuclear forces date back to the 70s and 80s in some cases. And this dormant topic reminds of the discussion had in the wake of the false alarm on an inbound missile to hawaii that this POTUS is utterly incompetent as commander in chief, doesn't listen to his military or intelligence brass, is extremely risk averse and clearly compromised by any number of foreign leaders.

One again, I hope I'm SO wrong about this and that the earth never experiences it. But If I was Putin and really believed it was winnable Id think there was never a better time.

Why do you think Putin and Russia are interested in this at all? I don't get it. Russia makes most of their money from shipping oil and gas to Europe and China. They are as involved in the world economy as every other nation. There is literally no incentive for a world war or nuclear weapon use by anyone. Colonialism is over as well. Have you spent any time reading on World War 1 and 2 and the factors involved in pushing the world to war? Way back then there was a culture of colonialism that doesn't exist. The incentives for international war are at an all time low. Here you are pretending Putin or China care at all about world wars they have nothing to gain from. No one is interested in nuking another country. The only people wanting nukes are nations like North Korea or Iran ruled by regimes that want to be part of the mutually assured destruction game.

There is no incentive for international war. No factors to encourage it exist at the moment. No one wants to upset the apple cart when they're all making huge money off each other.

[Hawktawk]

I’ve studied the world wars intently . But as it pertains to this topic one event comes to mind. Pearl Harbor. I really hope you’re right about all of this but if Russia has no intention of using these why keep cranking them out. Why all the drills, probing our airspace with nuclear armed bombers ? Snooping around the undersea communications cables. Practicing invasions of Europe . It’s just worrisome in total
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