Hawtalk: Your Orange Haired Witch

[RiverDog]

I immediately thought of you when I saw this article, so here you go.

https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/ ... Ae2meqK8EQ

Say thank you to an early Christmas present!

[Aseahawkfan]

Is there a reference to orange-haired witch in the article?

[RiverDog]

Is there a reference to orange-haired witch in the article?

Nothing about him being a witch, but it does describe how Trump supposedly has dyed his hair orange. Apparently there's so much of the dye on Trump's shirt collars that they have separate washing machines for Melania's clothes.

Trump loved Tic Tacs. But not an arbitrary amount. He wanted, in his bedroom bureau at all times, two full containers of white Tic Tacs and one container that was half full. The same rule applied to the Bronx Colors-brand face makeup from Switzerland that Trump slathered on — two full containers, one half full — even if it meant the housekeepers had to regularly bring new shirts from the pro shop because of the rust-colored stains on the collars. A special washing machine in the laundry room was reserved for his wife Melania Trump’s clothing.

[c_hawkbob]

Is there a reference to orange-haired witch in the article?

Nothing about him being a witch, but it does describe how Trump supposedly has dyed his hair orange. Apparently there's so much of the dye on Trump's shirt collars that they have separate washing machines for Melania's clothes.

Trump loved Tic Tacs. But not an arbitrary amount. He wanted, in his bedroom bureau at all times, two full containers of white Tic Tacs and one container that was half full. The same rule applied to the Bronx Colors-brand face makeup from Switzerland that Trump slathered on — two full containers, one half full — even if it meant the housekeepers had to regularly bring new shirts from the pro shop because of the rust-colored stains on the collars. A special washing machine in the laundry room was reserved for his wife Melania Trump’s clothing.

It's not hair dye, it's face makeup.

[RiverDog]

It's not hair dye, it's face makeup.

You're right, my bad. Thanks for the correction.

Nevertheless, it does add some credibility to Hawktalk's description of Trump being an "orange haired witch."

[Aseahawkfan]

Haha. Orange make-up, eh? I'm sure hawktawk will enjoy any article taking more shots at Trump.

[RiverDog]

Haha. Orange make-up, eh? I'm sure hawktawk will enjoy any article taking more shots at Trump.

Yea, Hawktalk has to put up with a lot of crap from us, so hopefully this will add a little levity to our online relationships.

[Aseahawkfan]

Yea, Hawktalk has to put up with a lot of crap from us, so hopefully this will add a little levity to our online relationships.

Hawktawk always been over the top when it comes to politics no matter what's he's ranting about. I rib him, but I honestly don't care as much as it might seem. I just like intense political debates for the most part. Breaks up the boredom.

The reality is we could have Kermit the Frog as president and America would run fine. We have running a large country mostly on lock. They'll probably even figure out a way to deal effectively with our incoming bankruptcy, though it may include screwing over everyone that bought U.S. Treasuries. That's a way off. We get to do what we do because America is so powerful, populous, and easy to live in. Lots of people living in real bad circumstances, not pretend, often self-inflicted bad circumstances like we have in America.

[RiverDog]

Hawktawk always been over the top when it comes to politics no matter what's he's ranting about. I rib him, but I honestly don't care as much as it might seem. I just like intense political debates for the most part. Breaks up the boredom.

Agreed. It's better when you're debating people that you have something in common with, ie Seahawk fans, rather than some random Facebook posters.

The reality is we could have Kermit the Frog as president and America would run fine. We have running a large country mostly on lock.

As far as the circumstances in which Trump was elected, I agree. But I do worry about what might happen if we get someone like Warren or Sanders in there and the Senate flips. They could implement a change in government that would be everlasting...free health insurance, free college education/debt forgiveness, reparations for blacks, the Green New Deal, with the only plan to pay for it being nothing more than a promise to tax the rich, disarm the military, and an all out war on Wall Street.

[Hawktawk]

It’s not just the hair (well the most ridiculous combover helmet ever) that’s orange . It’s the face other than the bugged out eyes and the white raccoon rings from his tanning glasses . He’s as ridiculous looking a person as I’ve ever seen but it pales in comparison to his acts . As for my style being over the top regarding Trump I beg to differ. Everyone else’s is underwhelming. Trump earns every bit of my hate , every word of bad press, every time he’s made a laughingstock in front of world leaders. He’s damaging America , our institutions , law enforcement , intelligence , our strategic alliances in so many ways while boosting our greatest geopolitical foes.its not ok. We’re not just going to pop back from it when he’s gone. It’s going to take a lot of time and a lot of work .Just my 02 cents.

I don’t feel picked on in here btw. It’s where I come to vent . It doesn’t belong on Facebook or around the dinner table so I bring it here . I don’t apologize for my style but I’m not offended by anyone else’s either. Even Burrton who I haven’t seen on this forum in a while. Bring it on . Regardless of your beliefs it’s most unhealthy when nobody cares about our political leaders anymore.

[RiverDog]

I don’t feel picked on in here btw. It’s where I come to vent . It doesn’t belong on Facebook or around the dinner table so I bring it here . I don’t apologize for my style but I’m not offended by anyone else’s either. Even Burrton who I haven’t seen on this forum in a while. Bring it on . Regardless of your beliefs it’s most unhealthy when nobody cares about our political leaders anymore.

I'm glad you see things in the way you do. Facebook is just too public. During my professional career, I felt it important not to let it be known what my politics were for fear that people might come to the wrong conclusion that could get in the way of a working relationship so I seldom commented about political subjects on social media. Even now that I'm retired, I don't feel nearly as comfortable discussing politics on social media as I do here.

I learned that lesson the hard way. I started my supervisory career, 23 years old and fresh out of college, in March of 1978. A year and a half later, the American embassy in Iran was overrun by revolutionaries and so began an incident known as the Iran Hostage Crisis. I was outraged and quite outspoken about the situation, said among other things that we should just send a bunch of B-52's over there and turn the place into the world's largest parking lot. Unbeknown to me, one of my employees that overheard one of my rants was an Iranian immigrant, a good, hard worker. He was trying to get his wife out of Iran and into the US, but since we didn't have diplomatic relations with Iran, it was very complicated and he had to get her first to West Germany. He needed an undefined leave of absence from work, which I granted but with the kicker that he had to call me once a week and check in and I'd extend his LOA, which he did. He wouldn't be eligible for benefits, but it would preserve his seniority and his job. Months later, he returned to work with his wife in tow.

Some time later in the mid 80's, he saw me at a dance club and invited me over to his table to meet his wife. He told me how afraid he was to approach me about an LOA because of what I had said about Iran during the hostage crisis. I felt very embarrassed, realized how my political views could interfere with a working relationship with others, and since that time, learned not to run my mouth at work. The closest I came to violating that pledge was after the 2016 election and was asked directly by several team members who I voted for. I wouldn't tell them but I did say that I didn't vote for Trump, trying to relieve them of their fears of being disliked by native born Americans.

[Aseahawkfan]

As far as the circumstances in which Trump was elected, I agree. But I do worry about what might happen if we get someone like Warren or Sanders in there and the Senate flips. They could implement a change in government that would be everlasting...free health insurance, free college education/debt forgiveness, reparations for blacks, the Green New Deal, with the only plan to pay for it being nothing more than a promise to tax the rich, disarm the military, and an all out war on Wall Street.

If they cause the country to collapse or become worse, then we'll just have another pile of garbage to add to the existing pile showing that socialism is an extremely poor way to run a nation. And that excessively taxing people for being productive is never going to be a good idea.

[Hawktawk]

Only if a single party swept the WH, senate , house and controlled the scotus could radical changes to our lives occur.....

Oh wait Trump had that for 2 years. Kill Obamacare? Not exactly. Wall? Wasn’t even brought to a vote. Executive orders were how he got things done . This economy has gone up and down and ultimately up through liberal Democrat and conservative republican administrations.


And right now this “best economy ever” is in such a huge bubble that when it breaks like they always do it’s gonna be interesting. We have record debt and almost annual deficits despite a peacetime economy , both nationally and personally. The Fed is lowering already low interest rates repeatedly while pumping hundreds of billions into the markets for “liquidity “ The stock market is wildly overvalued in light of 2% growth, contraction in manufacturing and business investment but people keep putting money in because it’s the only way to make money .

And all that happening in light of a massive tax cut for business most of which was spent on stock repos which help keep the market moving .
There is no hay in the barn , no tools left in the toolbox to handle another Great Recession , just tax cuts for wealthy in the midst of record debt.

Honestly those are the facts and smarter people than me can digest and explain them but it looks to me like we should worry more the guy in there now then anyone who might replace him.

[RiverDog]

Honestly those are the facts and smarter people than me can digest and explain them but it looks to me like we should worry more the guy in there now then anyone who might replace him.

Even though I can't stand Trump and want him gone, I'm still a fiscal conservative so it's only natural that I would worry about who might replace him, especially given that the numbers are against the R's in the Senate in 2020 and that past history has shown that in a presidential election year the party that wins the White House usually does better in Congressional elections.

[I-5]

I would hope a fiscal conservatives would be against giving gigantic tax cuts like what happened and sending the deficit even higher. Nothing conservative about that.

[RiverDog]

I would hope a fiscal conservatives would be against giving gigantic tax cuts like what happened and sending the deficit even higher. Nothing conservative about that.

I was luke warm at best about the tax cuts as I'd rather have kept that weapon in its sheath for times when our economy needs a kick start. Economically speaking, I thought it was unnecessary.

[Aseahawkfan]

I would hope a fiscal conservatives would be against giving gigantic tax cuts like what happened and sending the deficit even higher. Nothing conservative about that.

Fiscal conservatives want tax cuts, reduced spending, and reduced reliance on government spending. That is unlikely to happen any time soon with the level of infrastructure we have built as well as the continued use of socialist handouts that we can't afford. Even social security is on its way to bankruptcy and the Dems want to add more taxation and spending to our bloated social programs. The Republicans are drunk on providing military support around the world. I haven't seen a Republican that can't justify more military spending or a Democrat that can't justify more social programs we can't afford.

Economic reality left American governance back in the 80s with Reagan when we the Dems held strong on spending and the Republcans held hard on cutting taxes driving the debt to insane levels. Now driving up the national debt is part of both parties politics as usual as long as they are pushing their campaign agendas. Whether we can afford it or not is irrelevant at this point.

Personally, I doubt you care that much about fiscal responsibility or preventing the handout mentality afflicting government and the American people given your strong liberal leanings. American used to be a nation of people that took pride in doing for themselves. Now they can't wait to vote themselves "free" social services.

[Aseahawkfan]

Only if a single party swept the WH, senate , house and controlled the scotus could radical changes to our lives occur.....

Oh wait Trump had that for 2 years. Kill Obamacare? Not exactly. Wall? Wasn’t even brought to a vote. Executive orders were how he got things done . This economy has gone up and down and ultimately up through liberal Democrat and conservative republican administrations.


And right now this “best economy ever” is in such a huge bubble that when it breaks like they always do it’s gonna be interesting. We have record debt and almost annual deficits despite a peacetime economy , both nationally and personally. The Fed is lowering already low interest rates repeatedly while pumping hundreds of billions into the markets for “liquidity “ The stock market is wildly overvalued in light of 2% growth, contraction in manufacturing and business investment but people keep putting money in because it’s the only way to make money .

And all that happening in light of a massive tax cut for business most of which was spent on stock repos which help keep the market moving .
There is no hay in the barn , no tools left in the toolbox to handle another Great Recession , just tax cuts for wealthy in the midst of record debt.

Honestly those are the facts and smarter people than me can digest and explain them but it looks to me like we should worry more the guy in there now then anyone who might replace him.

For the most part you are right. This nation runs itself.

Only part I don't agree on is that Trump is any worse than any other president as far as base policies. His biggest problem is his giant ego attached to his fingers and mouth that can't stop spewing forth trash talk and useless drivel. If he could learn to shut up, he would win re-election easily. The guy's such a big talking numbnuts that people will vote against him just because they are so tired of his big mouth and constant need for attention as well as his petty feuding with everyone that says anything even mildly negative of him.

[RiverDog]

Only part I don't agree on is that Trump is any worse than any other president as far as base policies. His biggest problem is his giant ego attached to his fingers and mouth that can't stop spewing forth trash talk and useless drivel. If he could learn to shut up, he would win re-election easily. The guy's such a big talking numbnuts that people will vote against him just because they are so tired of his big mouth and constant need for attention as well as his petty feuding with everyone that says anything even mildly negative of him.

I have enough problems with Trump's "base policies", mainly immigration and trade, to where even in the absence of Trump's many personal flaws and management style that I'd still vote against him if the alternative was a more moderate conservative like Rubio or Romney.