Trump Impeachment Predictions

[I-5]

THIS is why I’m happy Harris dropped her Presidential bid. This is what she was born to do, and she is a killer at it. Harris for AG:

https://youtu.be/jrneyFntinE

[RiverDog]

THIS is why I’m happy Harris dropped her Presidential bid. This is what she was born to do, and she is a killer at it. Harris for AG:

https://youtu.be/jrneyFntinE

Harris would turn into just another political hack just like every other AG to have held the position. The only AG in my lifetime that had any streak of independence to him was Elliot Richardson. The entire Justice Department needs to be removed from the Administrative Branch and turned over to the Judicial Branch where it belongs, or at least give SCOTUS some sort of oversight authority. This open warfare between the AG and the FBI is ludicrous.

[I-5]

Do you remember any other time in history where the AG went after the FBI like this? What is Barr doing?

[RiverDog]

Do you remember any other time in history where the AG went after the FBI like this? What is Barr doing?

No, as far as I know, what Barr is doing is unprecedented. Janet Reno was cited for Contempt of Congress for failing to turn over some documents during the Clinton impeachment inquiry, which is similar to Barr's covering Trump's arse, but that's not relevant to your question.

[Hawktawk]

I get a lot of heat for saying the worst most corrupt ever but here I go again regarding the AG.It's Bob Barr. There was the nearly 20 page unsolicited letter to the WH , a job application basically skewering Mueller's obstruction investigation, asserting blanket immunity for POTUS.

And sure enough there was the 3 pages of content summarizing the Mueller report in a completely false way. Then withholding the document itself for 3 weeks while the false narrative marinated. Then defending and aiding the obstruction of congress regarding both these investigations. The DOJ led by Barr rejected 3 criminal referrals from career state department officials regarding the Ukraine drug deal and declared there was no violation of law before it was issued to the congress.

Now the IG appointed by the administration finds 17 errors in a 2 year huge investigation but also a proper predication and probable cause to investigate Trump collusion with russia.

Barr not only publicly disagrees with the findings but orders his hand picked investigator John Durham to also issue a rebuttal. On the weekend shows he repeatedly accuses his own FBI of misconduct and bias, of "spying" on Trump. Its in direct contrast to FBI director Chris Wray who defended his department. Trump lashed out at him on Twitter, also called the FB friggin I "scum" at one of his trumptard rallies. Barr also recently gave a speech bashing democrats as enemies of America.

Then dont get me started on Epstein. As the presidents law enforcement CEO Barr was 100% responsible for the guys security. I see all the memes about Killary doing in Epstein but lets remember Trump "barely knew Epstein" wasnt a fan" Don't know Prince Andrew". When he doesnt know someone he winds up under investigation for knowing them so well He has as much reason to want the guy dead as anyone. I cant believe Barr hasn't caught more heat for this.

I can't think of a more purely political animal, more dishonest and corrupt. Maybe Ed Meese? Barr is horrible, banana republic stuff.

[RiverDog]

Then dont get me started on Epstein. As the presidents law enforcement CEO Barr was 100% responsible for the guys security. I see all the memes about Killary doing in Epstein but lets remember Trump "barely knew Epstein" wasnt a fan" Don't know Prince Andrew". When he doesnt know someone he winds up under investigation for knowing them so well He has as much reason to want the guy dead as anyone. I cant believe Barr hasn't caught more heat for this.

I can't think of a more purely political animal, more dishonest and corrupt. Maybe Ed Meese? Barr is horrible, banana republic stuff.

Barr is 100% responsible for Epstein's death? That's like saying that Reagan was 100% responsible for the Challenger accident.

[Hawktawk]

Barr is 100% responsible for Epstein's death? That's like saying that Reagan was 100% responsible for the Challenger accident.

I said he was 100% responsible for his SECURITY.Barr was clearly up to speed on the case as he was questioned about recusing himself from it over several conflicts including his father having previously employed Epstein and also that the POTUS had a personal relationship with Epstein. He initially said he would recuse and then reversed his decision.
Regardless of whether Epstein killed himself or was murdered which I highly suspect Barr has to bear some responsibility.

Barr himself called the death "appalling" and a "perfect storm of screw ups".I would say so! Very notorious prisoner found with marks on neck , claimed he was assaulted, placed on suicide watch but taken off it in only a few days.Remember now, that made the news, no way Barr wasn't aware of it, that this guy had either attempted suicide or was assaulted.

The roommate that was supposed to be in his cell was transferred the day before his death and not replaced. Night guards who were supposed to check on him reportedly did not, slept all night and falsified records. They have been indicted on those charges and have pled not guilty after rejecting plea bargains. Cameras were not working in the vicinity of Epesteins cell...Yeah weird coincidences . This wasn't joe blow, it was maybe the most famous and radioactive sex offender on the planet. Its truly inexcusable he and so many powerful men were not required to pay for their crimes.

Not saying Barr is 100% responsible but hes got culpability, extreme negligence at a minimum.

[RiverDog]

I said he was 100% responsible for his SECURITY.

OK, fair enough. Then let me correct my response to say that it's like Reagan was 100% responsible for the safety of the crew of the Challenger. You know as well as I do that a department as large and encompassing as Justice that the AG can't be held 100% responsible for a single event to one prisoner. The most you can say is that he should have to answer for the actions/inactions of his subordinates.

Not saying Barr is 100% responsible but hes got culpability, extreme negligence at a minimum.

Same deal. It was not Bar's direct responsibility to oversee operations in a prison. If you could prove that there was some sort of funding that he cut, procedure or policy that he implemented that contributed to the errors that were made, then maybe. The most we can say is that as the head of the department that he must answer for the mistakes that were made and give us assurances that they have been corrected.

If this were a recurring problem at this or other federal prisons, then that might change things. But all indications are that this was an anomaly, a perfect storm of screw-ups by both inept employees and administrators at the local facility.

[I-5]

A Fox News poll released Sunday morning shows that a majority of registered voters think Trump should be impeached (54 percent). Half of the survey’s respondents (50 percent) not only think Trump should be impeached, but that he should also be removed from office. By contrast, only 41 percent don’t think Trump should be impeached at all.

https://www.vox.com/2019/12/16/21024071/trump-fox-news-impeachment-poll-biden

That's not insignificant...AND it's on Fox News. No wonder Trump is PO'd. Not that the Senate will do anything about it. They won't. The only thing I'm curious about is if a few GOP senators develop any backbone before then.

[RiverDog]

A Fox News poll released Sunday morning shows that a majority of registered voters think Trump should be impeached (54 percent). Half of the survey’s respondents (50 percent) not only think Trump should be impeached, but that he should also be removed from office. By contrast, only 41 percent don’t think Trump should be impeached at all.

https://www.vox.com/2019/12/16/21024071/trump-fox-news-impeachment-poll-biden

That's not insignificant...AND it's on Fox News. No wonder Trump is PO'd. Not that the Senate will do anything about it. They won't. The only thing I'm curious about is if a few GOP senators develop any backbone before then.

The RCP poll, which is an aggerate of all the major polls, actually shows a slight drop in those that favor impeachment/removal from office, from a high of 48.3 on Dec. 9th to 46.7 yesterday. It's been bouncing around that region for months.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epoll ... -6957.html

The reason I use RCP is that it's an average and at least in theory, is going to be more accurate as it has the effect of increasing the sample size, it's updated daily, and they have a nice website where they have a graphic display that's very readable. Also, being that it's an average, it has the advantage of taking the liberal/conservative slant out of it. For example, Rasmussen has been well known for showing Trump in the best possible light. RCP doesn't suffer from that effect.

[Hawktawk]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... unsafe-ma/

Just another reminder Russia isn't our buddy, just trump's puppet master.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russias-s ... heir-agent

Now they are saying what rational americans have been saying for 3 years

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... ar-AADKLI1

I've followed this poll for weeks now as it is the only daily poll Im aware of. Clearly the number on impeachment is tightening dramatically in this poll although its a 24 hour snapshot. Trump clearly remains well upside down in job approval and his re-elect # is horribly underwater. One interesting thing about this poll is the consistently rising support for a 3rd party. I'm surprised nobody significant has tested the waters. As I've said its democrats voting their conscience here. Their majority is clearly on the line and has shrunk by one with the expected defection of a vulnerable Dem whose D support cratered when he opposed the inquiry. Its the 64K question how this will break ultimately.

I've always had a hard time understanding how impeaching a historically unpopular corrupt president is going to help him in 2020, or the people who enabled him for that matter. Senators like McConnell mired with a 35% approval in Kentucky and Lindsey Graham only polling +2 in a seat hes held forever better be careful with their strategy. And be wary of Susan Collins who has never recovered from her vote to confirm Kavanaugh AKA the DR#nk R@P!$t, Lisa Murkowski, Thom Tillis, Corey Gardner in Colorado and certainly Mitt Romney who can easily be a hero with 5 years left in his term. These people could drastically change the equation of how this trial will look, effectively stripping McConnel of his ability to run a kangaroo court.

[RiverDog]

I've followed this poll for weeks now as it is the only daily poll Im aware of.

RCP, or Real Clear Politics, isn't a poll into itself, but it's an average of all the major polls and it's calculated on a daily basis, and as I noted above, it's actually showing a decrease in support for removal from office and has bounced around between 46% and 49% for months.

[c_hawkbob]

CRP is a right wing organization that describes itself as attempting to "counterbalance the common liberal bias of the mainstream press".

I don't trust them anymore than Breitbart.

[Hawktawk]

CRP is a right wing organization that describes itself as attempting to "counterbalance the common liberal bias of the mainstream press".

I don't trust them anymore than Breitbart.

I dont know about that. They list the polls and print the #s and the rest is math. The poll I dont trust is Rasmussen. They are so in the tank for Trump its ridiculous, typically separated by 5 points on popularity etc from the majority of the RCP polls and they skew the RCP poll. The Fox poll is interesting in that its one of the worst for Trump leading him to attack the network more and more and yet if anyone should be suspected of pro trump bias its fox.

Besides polls are all over the place in general. Biden was 4th, then 1st, then back to 3rd in Iowa in about 10 days depending on the poll. Warren was leading and is now disappearing. Buttigeig was nobody, now challenging for the lead in Iowa. Sanders was DOA now seemingly rising again, Dems greatest nightmare and Trump's greatest hope.

I tend to look at whats happening in the real world to get the pulse of the voters . Starting with Trump's election Republican candidates in special elections have dealt with energized Dems and other anti trump voters showing up on election day.They have lost a number of races in purple and even red districts since then.

Then came the midterms where the Rs turned out their base and still got drubbed by 9 million overall votes cast nationally as Democrats turned out over 60 million voters in a midterm, nearly McCain and Romney's total in 08 and 12!!.

They lost 40 seats in the house. They only held the senate due only defending a third as many as the Dems mostly red seats against very liberal candidates . And even then losing Dems highly overperformed such as Beto within 2 in Texas.

And in just the last few months Trump has publicly stumped for losing special election candidates including Kentucky Gov Matt Bevin who got a Trumptard rally and still lost Kentucky to a D in a state that went for Trump by about 30%. Bevin pardoning over 400 inmates including murderers from less than 2 years ago and child rapists is another story that I'm sure will endear Kentucky voters even further to the party.

The point is Trump aired his grievances over impeachment in these rallies and his guys lost in red states.

It's no secret that trump has lost ground with every demographic. Women were a strength in 2016 and he actually won all white women. Now he's at about 36% among all women, a dreadful # hes even lost a small percentage of the non college graduate voters. Rs have lost the suburbs forever and already lost the metropolitan areas.If Dems nominate a reasonable candidate I have a hard time seeing the guy get re elected unless Vlad actually leans how to manufacture votes (which I wouldnt rule out)

[Hawktawk]

Washington post poll just out shows over 70% of voters want top Trump aides to testify before the senate , including over 60% of republicans . Moscow Mitch better tread lightly on shutting this thing down.

[RiverDog]

CRP is a right wing organization that describes itself as attempting to "counterbalance the common liberal bias of the mainstream press".

I don't trust them anymore than Breitbart.

I assume that you meant RCP.

What you say may be true about their opinions and editorials, but the poll they do isn't even their own. All they do is gather information from the major polling organization and get an average. The polls they use in their average includes USA Today, CNN, NPR/PBS/Marist, and ABC/Washington Post. Those are not conservative organizations.

I agree with Hawktalk. The only poll I don't trust as being objective is Rasmussen. They seem to have a built in bias that leans towards conservatives.

[Aseahawkfan]

If Trump avoids impeachment and wins re-election, some people that post here will have their heads explode.

[RiverDog]

Besides polls are all over the place in general. Biden was 4th, then 1st, then back to 3rd in Iowa in about 10 days depending on the poll. Warren was leading and is now disappearing. Buttigeig was nobody, now challenging for the lead in Iowa. Sanders was DOA now seemingly rising again, Dems greatest nightmare and Trump's greatest hope.

I don't think it unusual that the polls are all over the place on the subject of the Democratic primary simply because there's so many candidates and most of them are a mystery to many voters, Mayor Pete being a great example. Since he's not a Senator or Congressman, he doesn't have a voting record that can be examined and exposed, so people don't know who he is or what he stands for.

But the polls on the Trump impeachment/removal from office have been amazingly consistent and IMO is a reflection of Trump's job approval rating since he took office, which has been amazingly consistent, ranging from the high 30's to the mid 40's. I don't know of any other POTUS that has had an approval rating that has stayed within such a tight range. Everyone has already formed their opinions about Trump as they have about impeachment/removal from office.

[Aseahawkfan]

I don't think it unusual that the polls are all over the place on the subject of the Democratic primary simply because there's so many candidates and most of them are a mystery to many voters, Mayor Pete being a great example. Since he's not a Senator or Congressman, he doesn't have a voting record that can be examined and exposed, so people don't know who he is or what he stands for.

But the polls on the Trump impeachment/removal from office have been amazingly consistent and IMO is a reflection of Trump's job approval rating since he took office, which has been amazingly consistent, ranging from the high 30's to the mid 40's. I don't know of any other POTUS that has had an approval rating that has stayed within such a tight range. Everyone has already formed their opinions about Trump as they have about impeachment/removal from office.

Seems true enough. Trump seems like one of those people that falls into that love or hate cliche about as well as anyone. Very few people seem indifferent to him. I could live with four more years of Trump as I mostly ignore the president. Boy, the forums, press, and liberals would be annoying as hell given their insane dislike of Trump and the building up of him into some tyrannical figure of corruption. I don't get it myself, but then again I read history and actually know what those words mean. I don't decide to hate someone and suddenly all facts and precedents fly out of the window as my personal feelings overwhelm all my knowledge of what a truly oppressive, corrupt villainous man dangerous to the nation would be like. And this is not it. A huge rude, narcissistic jackass Trump may be, but the villain the left wing is making him out to be is beyond ridiculous. I really wish America wasn't this stupid as to fall for this crap just because they don't like someone. Just further proves that humans are irrational and emotionally driven as a group without regard to reality. There just isn't much rational thought when it comes to Trump no matter what side of the debate you fall on.

[I-5]

The implication being that only a select few people here bother to read history, and if they did, they'd see that he's no worse than any other president?

[c_hawkbob]

Yeah, "if you don't agree with me you must not be smart/well educated" is such BS. It's a comfortable self serving position to take that requires no thought, no listening and no response. It's pure condescension.

[Hawktawk]

If Trump avoids impeachment and wins re-election, some people that post here will have their heads explode.

Ah the closet Trumpie makes a veiled reference to TDS naw nobody’s head but his will explode due to spontaneous combustion , or maybe all ours will when his puppet master Putin decides there’s never gonna be a better time to take us out.

I see in your other musings where “you can live with another 4 years” guys a blowhard otherwise harmless. Anyone who disagrees is just lazy with history or a dunce or blinded by hatred of trump .

You’re the radar operator at Pearl Harbor dude. You’re nuts if you thing the mental instability and erratic behavior, the coddling of Russia , the all out war on our institutions, media , law enforcement , the constitution etc is no big thing. You’re not near as brilliant and all knowing as you think. The experts agree with guys like me, not you. And broaden your mind to contemplate an actual second term . Constitutional boundaries gone along with every adult in the day care . Justice department utterly corrupted. 4 years to strictly line Trumps pockets and those of his cronies . Imagine Trump in a 2007-8 style financial meltdown . Imagine a real shooting war. Or maybe you have so much faith in the governance of your secret man crush you think things are gonna skate by just fine another 5 years with no real crisis because let’s face it the only one he has had are 100% self inflicted and he still has a meltdown.

You talk a good game sometimes but if you didn’t vote for trump
I’d like to know who.

[RiverDog]

The experts agree with guys like me, not you.

Experts agree with you? About what? Are you talking about Trump being mentally ill?

Here's a good article from Psychology Today, one of the oldest periodicals in the field, written by Denver clinical psychologist Susan Heitler, a graduate of Harvard with a doctorate from NYU and a person that has written several books on the subject. I encourage you to read it. It's a good article, and offers some insights to other POTUS's that are generally thought to be heroic, like Jefferson, Lincoln, and Kennedy. Here's a few snippets:

Like physical illness, mental illness mostly depends on whether or not someone can function at home and at work, and with or without pain.

So is it appropriate for mental health professionals to proclaim that President Trump is mentally ill?

President Trump clearly displays publicly observable off-putting behaviors. One does not have to be a therapist, for instance, to judge that when President Trump speaks harshly about other political figures he is violating American norms for appropriate public, or even private, behavior.

At the same time, unattractive and culturally frowned-upon habits do not constitute mental illness. And someone who has managed well enough to get himself elected as President of the United States is clearly functional.

By contrast, chronic and/or incapacitating depression, bipolar illness, chronic intense anxiety, schizophrenia, etc.—these presenting problems are genuine mental illnesses. The seriousness of these problems is cheapened when the term mental illness is slung about as a label for someone with different political views and a tendency to talk provocatively.

Narcissistic personality disorder, borderline personality disorder, abusive personality, psychopathy, etc each involve excesses or absence of specific aspects of mental functioning—e.g., excesses of emotional reactivity, absence of empathy, or lack of ethical awareness. Narcissistic individuals, for instance, have a handicap with regard to seeing and hearing others' concerns. Similarly, ADD is a pattern of attention deficits that cause difficulty maintaining mental focus and concentration.

These excesses and deficits are dysfunctions. They are handicaps, much like blindness or deafness, rather than mental illness.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog ... p-have-one

I'm not saying that Trump isn't mentally ill. I'm offering an opinion that is in contrast to that of which you've been trumpeting for years. I honestly don't know enough about the subject to offer an opinion of my own. I believe like you and Cbob in that Trump has too many undesirable personality characteristics to be POTUS regardless of his politics. But you cannot proclaim yourself as being in agreement with "the experts," as if they all harbor the same opinion.

[Hawktawk]

I wasn’t specifically referring to Trumps mental health in my “experts” comments although as I understand it well in excess of 1000 mental health professionals have signed a declaration saying he’s mentally Ill.700
Constitutional scholars have signed a letter saying he’s committed impeachable offenses. 800 former federal prosecutors signed a letter saying he was guilty of obstruction of justice in the mueller probe and would have been prosecuted 100% of the time were he not president .

William Webster who served both Carter and Reagan said over the weekend that Trump is creating great damage to the FBI and our intelligence community . Many other national security people concur. These are the experts . As are the cabinet officials who discussed the 25th amendment , those are experts . The many politicians and NSA people who have referred to his actions with Russia as “treason “

The stories leaking out now from departed generals saying Trump didn’t understand why the 20 million people in Seoul couldn’t just “move” out of the way of Trumps lovers artillery .

Most honest experts see Trump as a grave danger to the entire world order and stability. French President Macron said just last week that NATO is “brain dead” due to a lack of US engagement . There are so many other examples . The bottom line is that I believe along with lots of smart people that the guy is unfit for office , disqualified due to rampant corruption and a clear and present danger as the *leader* of the free world. His clear mental issues are only part of why.

[RiverDog]

Most honest experts see Trump as a grave danger to the entire world order and stability.

Most "honest" experts? Did you mean to say those experts that happen to agree with you? And who are the "dishonest" experts? Are those the ones that disagree with you and therefore must be possessed by some sort of fraudulent, devious motivation?

The subjects you're talking about are all very speculative, extremely vague, and can easily be influenced by a person's politics. Even if a consensus does exist, it doesn't necessarily mean that it's the correct appraisal. All it does is offer support for your opinion, of which you seem to think is a requirement for our discussions.

[Hawktawk]

Most non republican experts agree with me along with a fair sized list of Republicans and former Republicans in the press and politics who rejected the guy much as I did, some to the point of quitting the party much as i did.. His defenders are repugnant, repugnicans I saw a meme and it was funny in a tragic kind of way. It said Repubs impeached Clinton over a Bl#W J#B. Republicans are giving trump a Bl#W J#B while hes being impeached. Just what's going down in this process is harming America greatly in so many ways,endangering us in never before contemplated ways.https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world- ... d-21121097

I hate to keep coming back to this, really do but trumps utter acquiescence to our greatest geopolitical foe due to overwhelming blackmail and god knows what else is the greatest threat in history. The Russians have never slowed in their hell bent for leather pace of modernizing what is far and away the most superior nuclear arsenal on the planet and Trump is crickets, actually pumping them and disrespecting Ukraine who is at the tip of the spear of their european aggression. When Sergei Lavrov has gotten his second oval office visit and Zelenski hasn't got his first its all you need to know, Hopefully Trump did not disclose national secrets like last time but we dont know because nobody gets to see the notes... I will never understand why people dont see and care. On their phones, low information, transactional, part of the Trumptard cult,whatever. Trump is the culmination of a perfect storm, a lawless leader with a cult following big enough to paralyze amoral political creatures in his party to abandon any sense of right and wrong.

[RiverDog]

Most non republican experts agree with me...

So now it's non Republican experts? Why are you constantly having to qualify your opinion by noting who agrees with you?

[Aseahawkfan]

Ah the closet Trumpie makes a veiled reference to TDS naw nobody’s head but his will explode due to spontaneous combustion , or maybe all ours will when his puppet master Putin decides there’s never gonna be a better time to take us out.

I see in your other musings where “you can live with another 4 years” guys a blowhard otherwise harmless. Anyone who disagrees is just lazy with history or a dunce or blinded by hatred of trump .

You’re the radar operator at Pearl Harbor dude. You’re nuts if you thing the mental instability and erratic behavior, the coddling of Russia , the all out war on our institutions, media , law enforcement , the constitution etc is no big thing. You’re not near as brilliant and all knowing as you think. The experts agree with guys like me, not you. And broaden your mind to contemplate an actual second term . Constitutional boundaries gone along with every adult in the day care . Justice department utterly corrupted. 4 years to strictly line Trumps pockets and those of his cronies . Imagine Trump in a 2007-8 style financial meltdown . Imagine a real shooting war. Or maybe you have so much faith in the governance of your secret man crush you think things are gonna skate by just fine another 5 years with no real crisis because let’s face it the only one he has had are 100% self inflicted and he still has a meltdown.

You talk a good game sometimes but if you didn’t vote for trump
I’d like to know who.

The closet Trumpie? Is that supposed to be some kind of insult? The man that doesn't know how to have a sensible thought about just about anything he buys into making an insult towards someone that disagrees with him...just like the man he hates. It is often true that we become like that we hate. That idea suits you to the tee.

You act much like Trump. Spew forth constant lies in support of whatever whackjob belief you buy into and then cast out insults at those that disagree with you.

I can't much speak on your mental health as you have made it quite clear you do have mental health problems. It has shown in your postings for years. Some people forget the past whackjob posts from you, but I tend to have a long memory. You weren't right then and aren't right now. You're one of those guys much like Trump who likes to think he's right because of some poll or ratings or some whackjob belief. Maybe that's why you hate him so much because you two are so much alike.

[Aseahawkfan]

The implication being that only a select few people here bother to read history, and if they did, they'd see that he's no worse than any other president?

They would see that Trump isn't close to a tyrant or a Hitler-type figure. He's worse in some areas and not in others compared to other presidents is what they would see. They would analyze his policies and stances absent the emotional ridiculousness and compare it to past presidents performance.

And it is quite true only a select few people read history and compare it in an objective fashion. You are not one of them as has been proven on this board time and time again by your comments and ridiculous ideas of Trump as anywhere close to Hitler or a tyrant. He hasn't done anything of the sort and America isn't very different having him in it other than the delusion and illusion created by the press on both sides.

It's not a big deal. You're not alone. They obviously don't expect people to be very educated to vote. Just able to read enough to buy into the propaganda of their chosen side.

It is well known that humans are emotionally driven, mostly ignorant, and vote based on emotional bias. In fact, politicians rely on those ideas which is why they build their propaganda the way they do, both sides. You just happen to fall on the leftist side of the propaganda spectrum, meaning you buy their BS absent truly analyzing if it is worth buying into.

[Aseahawkfan]

Yeah, "if you don't agree with me you must not be smart/well educated" is such BS. It's a comfortable self serving position to take that requires no thought, no listening and no response. It's pure condescension.

You lost credibility long ago with anyone that remembers your tirades against Bush Jr. Riverdog[/b[ and these others may overlook that trash because "you're good old C-bob." I didn't that hypocritical trash spewing out of your mouth when you asked for the man you labeled a war criminal named G.W. Bush Jr. would be preferable to Trump because of your personal dislike and distaste for Trump. You're another example of when a personal hate exceeds the facts of the man's actual actions and danger to the nation.

From all the arguments you made during G.W. Bush Jr's presidency, Trump should rate pretty low on your corruption meter. But to listen to your lying, hypocritical drivel he's worse than G.W. jr. because of how he talks when you accused G.W. Jr. and Cheney of starting a war that killed 100s of thousands of people. Here you are wanting him back rather than Trump because of a personal hatred.

I can't remember [b]I5's posts, but I wouldn't be surprised if his viewpoint wasn't similar during G.W. Jr's presidency, though I can't confirm it. I do clearly remember all your "Shrub" posts accusing him of being a war criminal.

Just more proof of the lunacy and hypocrisy that drives American politics even when the individuals themselves forget what they've said in the past and continue to be led along by the nose by the media, left and right.

You guys crack me up because you so rarely see that I argue similar positions with right wingers. Since IDhawkman left, not many right wingers to debate their foolish ideas with, so all I've got is you leftists and your ridiculous, lying propaganda to play with.

[RiverDog]

The Fox poll is interesting in that its one of the worst for Trump leading him to attack the network more and more and yet if anyone should be suspected of pro trump bias its fox.

Fox doesn't run the poll themselves. It's done by a private company they hired called Beacon Research. Here's part of their methodology statement:

The Fox News Poll is directed by Beacon Research (D) (formerly named Anderson Robbins Research) and Shaw & Company Research (R). The poll is conducted via telephone among a nationally representative sample of approximately 1,000 registered voters. Of the completed interviews, roughly 25 percent are conducted with respondents on landlines and 75 percent with respondents on cellphones.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-ne ... -statement

Many people, including the POTUS, make the erroneous assumption that because the news organization that sponsors the poll happens to be conservative or liberal that the results will be politically biased, but I have not seen any evidence of any particular poll tends to favor certain parties/candidates. For example, even though the Washington Post/ABC poll is sponsored by two of the more liberal news organizations in the country, I haven't seen any evidence of such a slant in their poll results. The only exception is Rasmussen, which seems to be consistent in their favorable ratings for conservatives. But then again, they aren't a news organization, they are strictly a polling company.

[I-5]

They would see that Trump isn't close to a tyrant or a Hitler-type figure.

Why are you obsessed with Hitler? You're the only one I see here who keeps bringing his name in.

[RiverDog]

You lost credibility long ago with anyone that remembers your tirades against Bush Jr. [b]Riverdog[/b[ and these others may overlook that trash because "you're good old C-bob."

I don't view it as "overlooking". I think of it as making an accommodation.

[c_hawkbob]

They would see that Trump isn't close to a tyrant or a Hitler-type figure.

Why are you obsessed with Hitler? You're the only one I see here who keeps bringing his name in.

Hitler is the ultimate straw man.

[Hawktawk]

The closet Trumpie? Is that supposed to be some kind of insult? The man that doesn't know how to have a sensible thought about just about anything he buys into making an insult towards someone that disagrees with him...just like the man he hates. It is often true that we become like that we hate. That idea suits you to the tee.

You act much like Trump. Spew forth constant lies in support of whatever whackjob belief you buy into and then cast out insults at those that disagree with you.

I can't much speak on your mental health as you have made it quite clear you do have mental health problems. It has shown in your postings for years. Some people forget the past whackjob posts from you, but I tend to have a long memory. You weren't right then and aren't right now. You're one of those guys much like Trump who likes to think he's right because of some poll or ratings or some whackjob belief. Maybe that's why you hate him so much because you two are so much alike.

I dont have sensible thoughts? please elaborate on that. I spew forth constant lies? I'm like Trump?

Wow nice rant asea. Sounds a little unhinged. Maybe seek help Talk about whack job posts obsessing on what i wrote way back when. woa

Throw my candor about my mental illness in my face like your secret idol would. Bring it on.I come here to vent,only here and there's something worth venting about. I dont give a damn what you think of it.

Im a 60 year old guy who lived 51 years of it as an undiagnosed bipolar man. Even yet I've never lied, swindled, stolen.I had a failed 5 year marriage but my current wife and i have been together over 30 years. I'm a good hearted charitable person, a deep believer in God. I have friends I've had 45 years, more FB friends than i can keep up with. Im one of the hardest working people my employers ever met, never miss work, became a very respected Golf Super as a bipolar man with no college degree in turf or anything else. I've managed people for 34 years and almost universally my employees love me to this day, even those I had to fire in all but one instance in 34 years. I never had a complaint for abusing an employee or a customer. I've never grabbed a pussy without consent , never screwed anyone elses wife. Part of my dysfunction is being a good judge of character. Which is why this lifelong Republican Conservative as proven by my Obama rants you have seared in your memories rejected the Baboon about when he came down the escalator and I've been exactly right only its worse than i could have imagined.

And on my most mentally ill day I'm leaps and bounds ahead of the guy with the nuclear codes and the taxpayers checkbook. And I'm diagnosed, i accept it and in a way embrace it and take my meds.
But youre "ok with another 4 years" of a guy way crazier than whack job HT

You voted for him and will again. You are the one more like him.

[Hawktawk]

Hitler is the ultimate straw man.

Trump isn't Hitler but there are parallels.He is mentally ill. He has an authoritarian style. He is impressed with strongmen and autocrats. He preaches white nationalism,racism, religious bigotry, homophobia. I know hes not gassing brown skinned desperate people but really isn't ripping kids away from the parents and losing them a bit inhumane? Trump's followers are cult like and support whatever he says, embrace it cheer it no matter how bizarre from attacking dead war heroes, law enforcement, a 16 year old autistic girl whatever.. Now the party is following suit. there is no guardrails anymore. I would hope the voters and congress wouldnt allow an actual hitler to rise but this guy is as close to a dictator as we've had.

[RiverDog]

I would hope the voters and congress wouldnt allow an actual hitler to rise but this guy is as close to a dictator as we've had.

Lincoln suspended the Writ of Habeas Corpus in order to silence those that disagreed with him, and people accused him of being a tyrant because of it. Indeed, John Wilkes Booth's statement after he shot him included such a phrase. People accused Roosevelt of subverting democracy when he tried to pack the Supreme Court because he was upset that they were shooting down some of his New Deal legislation. That sounds pretty dictatorial to me, don't you think?

I'm not defending Trump or his actions. I'm just say'in.

[Hawktawk]

Presidential power has been growing unchecked for a long time with executive orders bypassing the congress and more and more resistance to oversight. But Trump has turned it up to defcon 10.