Biden Wins Big in SC

[Aseahawkfan]

It's easy to declare anything you disagree with "another horsecrap article", all I take that to mean is you disagree with it.

No. It's easy to show it's a horsecrap article. He was never more accurate when younger. Unless you can show me some proof of Trump being highly accurate with facts and figures at some point in his past, then he's the same Trump he's always been.

You can't really say someone has dementia when they've never been any different. When I hear him speak, he's the same guy as when younger, for his twenty years of Apprentice, and in his book. He has never cared one bit about small details. He's a salesman who sells ideas and visions. You don't need accuracy for that, just to be able work a room and make them believe in what you're selling. Which he's always been good at, good enough to become president on top of everything else he's accomplished. He's always made it up as he goes.

You were bagging on Bush Jr. for his many gaffs, did you think he had dementia when he was mispronouncing words and staying stupid crap while you called him Shrub?

The only fact is when you dislike someone as much as you do, you'll see what you want to see. If we were to truly debate and show factual information, it would be extremely easy to prove you and RD wrong in this regard because Trump has never, ever been a guy anyone turns to or has stated is a guy who anyone turns to for factual, accurate, or similar information. You watch him to be entertained by his bombastic Trumpian style. Apparently that sells well to a big enough base to win the presidency.

That's the part you should fear more than Trump himself. Then again nearly every president sells visions and ideals over substance.

[Aseahawkfan]

If all he did was not pay enough attention to understand that India does share a border with China, then I could agree. But there is no excuse, laziness or otherwise, for anyone with a high school education to not to know that Colorado doesn't share a border with Mexico or that there weren't airports in the 18th century. I can't think of a clearer example of dementia.

I disagree. You've watched presidents misspell potato, make up words, and make various other public gaffs much younger than Trump, yet no one presumes they have dementia. When you're talking a lot and having someone parse everything you say, they're publicizing every mistake, you can make anyone look like an idiot. Trump's easy to make look like an idiot because loves to run his mouth and doesn't care about accuracy.

I'd bet money if I parsed all your years of conversation, I'd bet they'd be able to pull some times you said something that made no sense, then once you thought about it went, "This is what I meant or this is the word I meant to use."

That's how I see all politicians. They talk so much, they're bound to say some stupid, nonsensical things. Trump is mostly lucid, aware, and able to execute on the salesmanship he's working for. That is not a sign of dementia. He's very focused on what he does and can speak on the fly better than many presidents.

You're sorta right and sorta wrong. Laziness can cause a mental decline. It's a proven fact. If you don't challenge your mind by reading, problem solving, etc, your mental acuity will decline more rapidly than it would if it were left in a vacuum. IMO this is what's happened to Trump. I've seen plenty of people in their early 70's that are sharp as a whip. Heck, Bernie Sanders is older than both Trump and Biden and he doesn't show near the mental decline that those two do. But laziness by itself doesn't cause you to forget where your father was born.

I'd have to see a doctor's diagnosis of dementia. Not an obvious biased liberal article pointing out every mistake the guy makes in a weak attempt to invoke the 25th amendment. I hear all kinds of supposition from the anti-Trump press. Unless I see a real diagnosis or Trump exhibiting dementia such as losing track on stage and seeming befuddled, I'm chalking it up to him not caring about details and just running his mouth like he does. The same as he done the last 30 plus years he's been a public figure. I've never known the guy to give a flying rip about accuracy. He would just pay someone for that. He's a salesman. He talks exactly like a salesman.

But Biden is exhibiting some real signs of dementia. How do you not know you're running for president? That's a little strange. None of that matters if he can focus up on stage in debate. We'll see. He cannot seem weak debating Trump because Trump is going to go out of his way to paint Biden as a Sleepy Old man with no energy losing his mental facilities with a corrupt son he protects. You can bank on that. He don't care if someone tries to call him a hypocrite pointing out his mistakes because his base doesn't care and everyone is used to his lack of accuracy. What they want from Trump is a show of strength against Biden. That's what he'll work for.

[RiverDog]

I disagree. You've watched presidents misspell potato, make up words, and make various other public gaffs much younger than Trump, yet no one presumes they have dementia. When you're talking a lot and having someone parse everything you say, they're publicizing every mistake, you can make anyone look like an idiot. Trump's easy to make look like an idiot because loves to run his mouth and doesn't care about accuracy.

Quayle caught a lot of unjustified grief over his misspelling of potato as the way he spelled it is a very common mistake and actually was correct prior to the 20th century. That's not even in the same area code as grossly misplacing a border that everyone that's ever attended a school in this country has seen almost daily or putting one of the most famous cities in the world in the wrong country.

'd bet money if I parsed all your years of conversation, I'd bet they'd be able to pull some times you said something that made no sense, then once you thought about it went, "This is what I meant or this is the word I meant to use."

Probably. But you wouldn't be able to make me forget what country my father was born in or put Colorado on the Mexican border.

I'd have to see a doctor's diagnosis of dementia.

They quoted some very well qualified doctors in that article, and it's not the only one I've seen. However, I'll admit that it's a very subjective profession. Cognitive science is a behavioral science with nearly all their methods being that of observation vs. some sort of physical testing like an xray or blood draw. I've gone through the diagnostic process with my 87 year old mother as I was her power of attorney and had to obtain documents stating that she was not competent enough to make financial decisions. I remember telling the doctor that mom couldn't tell you who the president was and he turned to her and asked and she replied "that guy with the funny name (Obama)". I don't see that question/answer being much different than not knowing where your father was born.

But Biden is exhibiting some real signs of dementia. How do you not know you're running for president? That's a little strange.

It's no worse than placing Paris in Germany, but I agree, Biden, too, is showing signs of Dementia. However, his aren't compounded by having a narcissistic personality that prevents him from recognizing his status, which IMO is what makes Trump's dementia much worse. It's like trying to tell a drunk that their drunk.

I'm not claiming that Trump is a raving lunatic or that he's gone mad. What I am saying is that it's undeniable that he's experiencing a mental decline normally associated with aging. Some of the things he's said cannot be explained by any other means.

[Aseahawkfan]

They quoted some very well qualified doctors in that article, and it's not the only one I've seen. However, I'll admit that it's a very subjective profession. Cognitive science is a behavioral science with nearly all their methods being that of observation vs. some sort of physical testing like an xray or blood draw. I've gone through the diagnostic process with my 87 year old mother as I was her power of attorney and had to obtain documents stating that she was not competent enough to make financial decisions. I remember telling the doctor that mom couldn't tell you who the president was and he turned to her and asked and she replied "that guy with the funny name (Obama)". I don't see that question/answer being much different than not knowing where your father was born.

Give me a break. They didn't quote some well qualified doctors. They quoted some leftists looking to further erode confidence in Trump same as they been doing for ages. I've literally been reading those articles since Trump entered office, yet he hasn't done anything different than he has done for years. Every single mistake or thing Trump does is magnified in some articles by leftists and Trump haters into an attack on Trump to erode confidence in him.

So please, give me a break. I get it, you don't like him either. You want to buy into all these articles attacking him. But his mistakes are just that, mistakes by a guy that talks a lot.

There has been no official diagnosis of dementia with medical tests or anything of the kind. Just various articles speculating about everything from his mental health to his relationship with Melania to his children's problems to the way he talked to some kid who lost his parents. The only fact is the left wing press looks for every little thing to pillory him and erode confidence. They've done it so often I can't believe almost any negative article written about him because they all just seem like more petty crap meant to attack him by those that hate him.

I'm not sure why you haven't seen the same given those articles have been plastered all over the place by Hawktawk. He could have corrected himself a hundred other times and you wouldn't read a single article about it because the press will highlight the one article where he messed up and then start putting out articles like you read.

I'll reiterate: until I see a doctor's diagnosis after real medical tests, you all are just speculating as a group of folks that don't like Trump and are looking for reasons to attack him. Same as the press.

It's no worse than placing Paris in Germany, but I agree, Biden, too, is showing signs of Dementia. However, his aren't compounded by having a narcissistic personality that prevents him from recognizing his status, which IMO is what makes Trump's dementia much worse. It's like trying to tell a drunk that their drunk.

It is for a guy that doesn't have a history of doing it. Trump has been no different in all the years I've known him. If he's putting Paris in Germany all the time, then maybe I but into it. An occasional by a guy talking a lot of attention isn't much to me. Trump just talks a lot. The only unfortunate part is every gaff is broadcast as an article attacking his mental health for folks like you to speculate on.

I'm not claiming that Trump is a raving lunatic or that he's gone mad. What I am saying is that it's undeniable that he's experiencing a mental decline normally associated with aging. Some of the things he's said cannot be explained by any other means.

Maybe so, but not because of his mistakes. I'm betting money neither you nor C-bob nor Hawktawk ever said to yourself, "I better go listen to Donald Trump talk for good factual information. That guy is also so on top of it and never says anything stupid. I wonder what happened."

I been listening to this guy for years. Just as I told you all when this started, he's a salesman. He talks a lot. He's a narcissist who is used to paying people to handle things for him. He's more politically cunning than intelligent or educated. He's not dumb, just lazy about education and more interested in managing his campaign based on ratings and reactions to his sales speeches.

You know me. It's not that I like Trump, but crap articles and ideas are crap articles and ideas. Trump talks a ton. He says stuff off the cuff, stuff he doesn't even think about. He's yapping to entertain and keep people engaged when he doesn't really even care half the time about what he's doing. He's probably talking while thinking about something else, gets his words crossed up and blurts it out. Gaff made and the press is all over it. His base doesn't care. I have to wonder will Biden's base care if he makes too many mistakes and looks weak compared to Trump? We will see.

I think Bernie's base is more like Trump's base: more passionate and don't care what mistakes Bernie makes. Whereas Biden's base is unclear and the swing voters he talks to may not forgive his gaffs and take the idiot they know versus the idiot they don't meaning Trump over Biden if too many mistakes are made. Whereas Bernie has a passionate message and is selling a vision, not just a "I'm not Crazy Trump", vote for me message.

But we'll see. I like to assess and then watch to see if I'm right. I could be off base and maybe Biden has relieved a lot of people and as long as he doesn't pick a crap VP candidate, he could blow Trump up. Biden and Klobuchar seems like that could be a strong ticket to pull in the female and minority vote, especially if Obama backs Biden.

[RiverDog]

Give me a break. They didn't quote some well qualified doctors. They quoted some leftists looking to further erode confidence in Trump same as they been doing for ages. I've literally been reading those articles since Trump entered office, yet he hasn't done anything different than he has done for years. Every single mistake or thing Trump does is magnified in some articles by leftists and Trump haters into an attack on Trump to erode confidence in him.

So please, give me a break. I get it, you don't like him either. You want to buy into all these articles attacking him. But his mistakes are just that, mistakes by a guy that talks a lot.

I was not using the opinion written in that article to base my entire judgment of DJT on. My wife worked in a nursing homes for 40 years with Alzheimer's and Dementia residents and we both have friends and relatives that have suffered and are suffering from age related degeneration. It doesn't take a brainy PhD to recognize the symptoms.

I'm not sure why you haven't seen the same given those articles have been plastered all over the place by Hawktawk. He could have corrected himself a hundred other times and you wouldn't read a single article about it because the press will highlight the one article where he messed up and then start putting out articles like you read.

I didn't link the article, Cbob did. The only comment about the article itself that I made was that I disagreed with them that Biden's problems amounted to "a few stumbled words". I did point out that at least one of the doctors quoted seemed pretty well qualified, ie on the faculty of an Ivy League school.

I'll reiterate: until I see a doctor's diagnosis after real medical tests, you all are just speculating as a group of folks that don't like Trump and are looking for reasons to attack him.

We're all speculating. You don't know if Trump is unaffected by age related degeneration anymore than I know that he is. But it's undeniable is that he is displaying many of the symptoms associated with dementia, as is Biden.

If he's putting Paris in Germany all the time, then maybe I but into it. An occasional by a guy talking a lot of attention isn't much to me. Trump just talks a lot. The only unfortunate part is every gaff is broadcast as an article attacking his mental health for folks like you to speculate on.

The problem is that he's showing symptoms all the time. He once said that Belgium is a really pretty city, didn't realize that Ireland is not part of the UK, told the PM of India that at least they don't have China on their border, congratulated the state of Kansas for the Chiefs Super Bowl win, forgot the words to the National Anthem and God Bless America, forgot the name of Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy, and so on and so on. There's only two things that can explain those types of gaffes: Either he's a moron or he's had some type of mental decline/brain injury, etc. Normal, halfway educated people don't make those kinds of mistakes.

Maybe so, but not because of his mistakes. I'm betting money neither you nor C-bob nor Hawktawk ever said to yourself, "I better go listen to Donald Trump talk for good factual information. That guy is also so on top of it and never says anything stupid. I wonder what happened."[/I]

Of course, I don't listen to Trump for factual information. Do you?

[RiverDog]

I think Bernie's base is more like Trump's base: more passionate and don't care what mistakes Bernie makes. Whereas Biden's base is unclear and the swing voters he talks to may not forgive his gaffs and take the idiot they know versus the idiot they don't meaning Trump over Biden if too many mistakes are made. Whereas Bernie has a passionate message and is selling a vision, not just a "I'm not Crazy Trump", vote for me message.

Agreed, and I think I mentioned something similar earlier in the thread.

But we'll see. I like to assess and then watch to see if I'm right. I could be off base and maybe Biden has relieved a lot of people and as long as he doesn't pick a crap VP candidate, he could blow Trump up. Biden and Klobuchar seems like that could be a strong ticket to pull in the female and minority vote, especially if Obama backs Biden.

Klobuchar would be a strong pick for Biden's VP. It would help him with the female vote, she'd help in some critical areas in the upper Midwest, they have similar political ideologies, and they'd be merging resources from two campaigns.

[Aseahawkfan]

I think if Biden gets strong support from Obama, he could unseat Trump. For all the talk, Obama is still extremely popular with a large base, especially folk of African descent. If Klobuchar can carry the female vote and both can appeal to moderates, and maybe this corona virus driven stock market downturn keeps going and Trump doesn't take it seriously, he could go down. People are straight freaking out over the corona virus, the market is tanking hard, and fear is at an all time high. If the economy starts to tank due to the corona virus downturn because earnings in the first quarter will take a big hit, especially travel companies and restaurants, we could see unforeseen issues take down the Trump. Trump better hope for a downturn in corona virus cases and a reduction in the hype.

[Aseahawkfan]

I was not using the opinion written in that article to base my entire judgment of DJT on. My wife worked in a nursing homes for 40 years with Alzheimer's and Dementia residents and we both have friends and relatives that have suffered and are suffering from age related degeneration. It doesn't take a brainy PhD to recognize the symptoms.

Only if those symptoms differ from what he's done in the past.

We're all speculating. You don't know if Trump is unaffected by age related degeneration anymore than I know that he is. But it's undeniable is that he is displaying many of the symptoms associated with dementia, as is Biden.

You're the one bringing up these guys gaffs and I say not knowing you're running for president when you're running for president is worse than any of the other ones I've heard. But that's just me.

The problem is that he's showing symptoms all the time. He once said that Belgium is a really pretty city, didn't realize that Ireland is not part of the UK, told the PM of India that at least they don't have China on their border, congratulated the state of Kansas for the Chiefs Super Bowl win, forgot the words to the National Anthem and God Bless America, forgot the name of Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy, and so on and so on. There's only two things that can explain those types of gaffes: Either he's a moron or he's had some type of mental decline/brain injury, etc. Normal, halfway educated people don't make those kinds of mistakes.

Yes they do. Do you not watch Jimmy Kimmel or the late night hosts? Kimmel literally does a segment showing how dumb Americans are and how little they know. You're extremely wrong. Most of what you listed the average American might not know. If you asked them about it, they would probably tell you they didn't know or take a guess. If you said, is Belgium a city or a country? Most Americans would probably freeze up and try not to answer so as to not look stupid. Give me a break already. I told you the guy don't care. He don't have to care. He never has. I can't believe you listed that Kansas crap. Trump isn't a sports fan. He assumed like most people would that a team named Kansas City would be from Kansas. Not even sure why you listed that one since most Americans outside of Missouri and Kansas probably wouldn't know.

Is he slowing due to his age? Likely. Does he have full on dementia? I doubt it. Does the 25th Amendment need to be invoked? No. He's not even close to as mentally deficient as you and some others on here are trying to make him. He'll be ready for word war with Biden. It's what he likes.

Of course, I don't listen to Trump for factual information. Do you?

I'm not the one considering his gaffs as anything special. You and c-bob and Hawktawk expect some kind of accuracy, not me. He's never been one for accurate information.

He's a bombastic narcissistic billionaire salesman who talks himself up all the time and doesn't care about details if it's not money or to do with him. He's never been erudite or a reader or anything other than an entertainer. That's why him making the listed gaffs doesn't surprise me in the slightest or make him seem like he has dementia. It's just Trump talking a lot and making some gaffs because he often doesn't think before he talks. Talking to him is a game and convincing people to go along with him is his business.

[RiverDog]

Only if those symptoms differ from what he's done in the past.

One question: Let's accept that Trump is unaffected age or injury related memory loss. What would you call a person, born and raised in the United States with access to the finest education that money can buy, that doesn't know that Colorado does not share a border with Mexico? I know what I'd call them.

Do you not watch Jimmy Kimmel or the late night hosts? Kimmel literally does a segment showing how dumb Americans are and how little they know. You're extremely wrong. Most of what you listed the average American might not know. If you asked them about it, they would probably tell you they didn't know or take a guess. If you said, is Belgium a city or a country? Most Americans would probably freeze up and try not to answer so as to not look stupid. Give me a break already. I told you the guy don't care. He don't have to care. He never has. I can't believe you listed that Kansas crap. Trump isn't a sports fan. He assumed like most people would that a team named Kansas City would be from Kansas. Not even sure why you listed that one since most Americans outside of Missouri and Kansas probably wouldn't know.

No, I don't watch Kimmel or other late night shows, but I accept your premise. Here in this forum, I've bemoaned surveys that show that 30% of American adults can't find the Pacific Ocean on a map. We are a country of morons. But I'd bet that 100% of all healthy Ivy League graduates know that there weren't airports in the 18th century and that Paris is in France and not Germany.

Also, Trump is a sports fan. He played multiple sports in high school, including football and baseball. As a matter of fact, he was even scouted by the MLB Phillies and Red Sox. He once owned a USFL team and as recent as 2014, tried to become an owner in the NFL by submitting a lowball bid for the Buffalo Bills then when he didn't get the team tweeted "Wow. @nfl ratings are down big league. Glad I didn't get the Bills. Rather be lucky than good." There's no excuse for him not to know that the home of the Kansas City Chiefs is in Missouri.

Is he slowing due to his age? Likely. Does he have full on dementia? I doubt it. Does the 25th Amendment need to be invoked? No. He's not even close to as mentally deficient as you and some others on here are trying to make him. He'll be ready for word war with Biden. It's what he likes.

I didn't say that he had "full dementia". I said that he's showing signs of it. I also never said anything about the 25th Amendment. To the contrary, I don't think it applies in this situation. Although as in any job, it's desirable that a POTUS have cat like reflexes or memory recall like a Jeopardy contestant, it's not critical. Ronald Reagan is a great example as he, too, was showing signs of dementia, and IMO did his job just fine. But I can tell you one thing: If DJT were a friend or family member, I wouldn't want him living alone, operating power tools, or driving a car.

[Aseahawkfan]

One question: Let's accept that Trump is unaffected age or injury related memory loss. What would you call a person, born and raised in the United States with access to the finest education that money can buy, that doesn't know that Colorado does not share a border with Mexico? I know what I'd call them.

I already know what you'd call him.

No, I don't watch Kimmel or other late night shows, but I accept your premise. Here in this forum, I've bemoaned surveys that show that 30% of American adults can't find the Pacific Ocean on a map. We are a country of morons. But I'd bet that 100% of all healthy Ivy League graduates know that there weren't airports in the 18th century and that Paris is in France and not Germany.

Also, Trump is a sports fan. He played multiple sports in high school, including football and baseball. As a matter of fact, he was even scouted by the MLB Phillies and Red Sox. He once owned a USFL team and as recent as 2014, tried to become an owner in the NFL by submitting a lowball bid for the Buffalo Bills then when he didn't get the team tweeted "Wow. @nfl ratings are down big league. Glad I didn't get the Bills. Rather be lucky than good." There's no excuse for him not to know that the home of the Kansas City Chiefs is in Missouri.

The only time I hear Trump talking about sports is when he's schmoozing. He played sports? Could have fooled me. Nothing about his love of sports in his book. Never hear him talk sports on The Apprentice or Celebrity Apprentice. Never heard him talk about sports much in his interviews unless he's on a sports station. Never see him at games unless he's schmoozing.

Don't give me that rubbish. He didn't care about Kansas City prior to them winning the Super Bowl. What info you have that he cares about sports? Some schmooze interview where he is trying to make himself like he cares? I've read the guy's [i][Art of the Deal[/b] and watched his show for years and I had no clue he played any sports because he never talks about it. He certainly isn't much of an athlete. Never seen him work out, run, or do anything physical. He's some pampered rich guy. About the only thing physical I've heard of him doing is banging porn stars and nude models. That's the extent of his athleticism.

I didn't say that he had "full dementia". I said that he's showing signs of it. I also never said anything about the 25th Amendment. To the contrary, I don't think it applies in this situation. Although as in any job, it's desirable that a POTUS have cat like reflexes or memory recall like a Jeopardy contestant, it's not critical. Ronald Reagan is a great example as he, too, was showing signs of dementia, and IMO did his job just fine. But I can tell you one thing: If DJT were a friend or family member, I wouldn't want him living alone, operating power tools, or driving a car.

All I know is C-bob and Hawktawk been pushing for a 25th Amendment removal along with all the other crap, I'd bet money he's as lucid if not moreso than either of them. The guy is fine to be president. He's just some rich, lazy guy who pays people to do the detail work he doesn't care about.

The guy basically became the president because he was bored. This is his retirement job after a life of being a real estate mogul, reality TV star, banging lots of women, and being Trump. He said, "I'm going to become president because I can. Screw it. Why not?" And somehow he pulled it off. No idea how. He doesn't care. What's he going to do after this to top being president at his age? He doesn't need to give a crap. All he has to do is win one more term and he goes down in history giving all his enemies and naysayers the big old FU.

[RiverDog]

What info you have that he cares about sports? Some schmooze interview where he is trying to make himself like he cares? I've read the guy's [i][Art of the Deal[/b] and watched his show for years and I had no clue he played any sports because he never talks about it. He certainly isn't much of an athlete. Never seen him work out, run, or do anything physical. He's some pampered rich guy. About the only thing physical I've heard of him doing is banging porn stars and nude models. That's the extent of his athleticism.

I think a submitted bid to buy an NFL team is pretty good evidence of an interest in sports, wouldn't you say? Also, do you consider golf a sport? The man spends more time on the golf course than he does in the Oval Office.

Sorry guy, but I don't care how many books of his you've read or how many episodes of "The Apprentice" that you've watched. There's no reason why Trump should not know that the home of the Kansas City Chiefs is in Missouri.

[Aseahawkfan]

I think a submitted bid to buy an NFL team is pretty good evidence of an interest in sports, wouldn't you say? Also, do you consider golf a sport? The man spends more time on the golf course than he does in the Oval Office.

Sorry guy, but I don't care how many books of his you've read or how many episodes of "The Apprentice" that you've watched. There's no reason why Trump should not know that the home of the Kansas City Chiefs is in Missouri.

None of what you listed proves your point other than you want to think the way you do. Find me a bunch of interviews with Trump showing his knowledge of football. The man's been on TV for going on 30 plus years. There must be some as much as he runs his mouth.

There are plenty of reasons why he wouldn't know. I didn't know and I follow football closer than him. You know what? I don't care to know either. If it isn't Seattle or a direct competitor to Seattle, I don't care about the little details of the team.

I guess I'm dumb and suffering from dementia for not knowing the Chiefs were in Missouri. Or I just didn't care to learn that little tidbit of info.

[RiverDog]

None of what you listed proves your point other than you want to think the way you do. Find me a bunch of interviews with Trump showing his knowledge of football. The man's been on TV for going on 30 plus years. There must be some as much as he runs his mouth.

There are plenty of reasons why he wouldn't know. I didn't know and I follow football closer than him. You know what? I don't care to know either. If it isn't Seattle or a direct competitor to Seattle, I don't care about the little details of the team.

I guess I'm dumb and suffering from dementia for not knowing the Chiefs were in Missouri. Or I just didn't care to learn that little tidbit of info.

If the Kansas City blooper was the only one that Trump's made, then I could see rationalizing it as something he shouldn't be expected to know. But it's not. There are countless examples of him botching what should be common knowledge for any native born adult, especially one with an Ivy League degree. You collect enough pieces of the puzzle and pretty soon a picture emerges.

Besides, I'm not looking to 'prove' anything. It's my opinion. If it's not age related, then he must be really stupid and had some incredible amount of help in obtaining an Ivy League degree. I suppose that's possible, that money can buy you anything, but you'd think you would have heard about it by now.

Personally, I think it's a combination of the two. In addition to an age related decline, I do think that despite his quite impressive resume, that he's not all that sharp. His quite simplistic vocabulary and the way he speaks gives me that impression. He also has an extremely thin skin and volatile temper, traits that are shared by people with a limited intellectual capacity. They get very uncomfortable when pushed beyond their ability to analyze an argument. IMO his narcissism is an ego defense mechanism that helps him avoid admitting to himself that he's not that smart. You keep telling everyone that you're a stable genius and pretty soon you believe your own lie.

[Hawktawk]

Trump is nuts, in clear mental decline. It's in his eyes, his expressions as much as words and actions. Asea you're a smart man but how you can look at the slick hypster donald of the 80s and 90s and the sullen scowling bug eyed freak today and say they are the same guy? How you can listen to anything he said then and compare it to now, not just the voice inflection and delivery, the dialect, the tone of voice , definitely the vocabulary? Its striking, obvious.

And though I advocated for him being removed by the 25th amendment early in his term due to his mental instability I was later vindicated 100% by revelations that Trump's own staff members discussed it at least twice. 3000 psychologists or whatever say he's nuts. He proves it every day, again last night at his address, pathological narcissism at its most virulent.

I rest my case. You're welcome. He's not just nuts either, he's a petty mean nutty old guy whos all about self preservation. Having a true crisis demonstrates just what a menace to the entire planet he is.

As for Biden at this point it's pretty clear he is in the driver's seat for the nomination. The party did what the republican party couldn't in 2016 and avoided disaster with their overnight consolidation move preventing Sanders from destroying the party the way trump has the Republican party.What has been revealed in the past couple of weeks is that Sanders wasn't so competitive last time because he was so good a candidate. It was because Hillary was so bad. Hes shown no ability to build a coalition and his calling card voting bloc of <40 doesnt turn out on election day. Sanders staying in at least through the debate is interesting. A lot of people in the party think he should get out and not damage Biden further but I think Sunday might be good for Joe. He needs the practice and this might be his last debate before the general. And Sanders is a dogged debater but hes setting it up on a tee for Biden defending socialism and his wacky activist past and a voting record fairly similar in the senate other than the Iraq war. If Biden gets a draw here this is over. If Sanders should mop the floor with him I still dont see it winning sanders the nomination but only hurting Biden. If it's Biden he's formidable, popular among suburban women, crushing it with % and turnout with blacks,basically reassembling the Obama coalition. He's very appealing to me compared to Sanders as a conservative republican.. he appeals to wobbly republicans and with a 33% "strong approval" # for Trump there's quite a few.

A few caveats. With this virus any of the 3 remaining candidates could literally be seriously ill or die. Campaigning is going to be weird, no Trumptard rallies or Sanders who also prefers huge gatherings.
Also Sen Ron Johnson, Trumpanzee grand wizard is issuing subpoenas for Burisma to muck around Hunter again. Will this gain traction? Is there a there there? This is baked in already IMO and Biden is smashing turnout. If some sort of charges against Hunter emerge it might move the needle.

As for debates we shall see. Biden has right on his side. I think the initial Trump campaign appealed to a lot of people because of his frankness, tough talk etc. 4 years later I think a majority of americans have had enough and polls show it. Hes not had to debate in 4 years and i think he will perform horribly second time around. Biden told a protester in Michigan who said Biden was coming for his guns that he was "full of $h1t" to his face after the guy doubled down.He's not quite that sleepy. He's not going to sit on stage and be brow beat by Trump. If anything I think attacks might stimulate him to be sharper.Trump knows this which is why he got impeached trying to deep six Biden.
getcha popcorn before the shelves are empty.

[RiverDog]

As for Biden at this point it's pretty clear he (Biden) is in the driver's seat for the nomination. The party did what the republican party couldn't in 2016 and avoided disaster with their overnight consolidation move preventing Sanders from destroying the party the way trump has the Republican party.What has been revealed in the past couple of weeks is that Sanders wasn't so competitive last time because he was so good a candidate. It was because Hillary was so bad.

IMO the Democratic Party got out ahead of its base, and it was the unexpectedly strong showing in South Carolina that moved the narrative away from the socialistic message being pushed by the party. Up until then, Sanders was doing well because the early primaries and caucuses were held in primarily white states like Iowa and New Hampshire, states that are not reflective of the demographics across the nation as a whole.

A few caveats. With this virus any of the 3 remaining candidates could literally be seriously ill or die. Campaigning is going to be weird, no Trumptard rallies or Sanders who also prefers huge gatherings.

That's certainly possible. Viruses don't wear red MAGA hats.

As far as how the coronavirus will affect the campaign, we're still too far out to tell how much of an impact it will have. The Democratic race for the nomination is virtually over so Biden can afford to lay low and wait for the curve to flatten out. Besides, he's better off staying away from the crowds or impromptu situations as it's just another opportunity for him to stick his foot in his mouth.

4 years later I think a majority of americans have had enough and polls show it. Hes not had to debate in 4 years and i think he will perform horribly second time around.

It's a little too early to start putting any faith in the polls, especially in these days with the coronavirus scare at its peak. One thing that the virus has done is that it's effectively neutralized the economy as a feather in Trump's cap. I doubt that many outside of the hard core Demolibs will blame Trump for the market crash, but nor will he be able to brag about the economy being the best ever.

[I-5]

Even a dedicated socialist like I-5

Komrade, I don't believe the government should own the means of production ever.

I do think it's nice to have socialized healthcare, just like socialized roads, police, and fire services. I think you'd like it, too.

You're right, though. Bernie Bros scare me as much as Trump's minions.

[Aseahawkfan]

Komrade, I don't believe the government should own the means of production ever.

I do think it's nice to have socialized healthcare, just like socialized roads, police, and fire services. I think you'd like it, too.

You're right, though. Bernie Bros scare me as much as Trump's minions.

I still think America could build a socialized medical system as high quality as our military with more of a focus on social duty and service than profits, at least for the immediate care part. Even socialized medical care in most first world nations pays private companies for research and development. It's not a zero sum game where you're all socialist or all private, not even in America.

[Hawktawk]

I still think America could build a socialized medical system as high quality as our military with more of a focus on social duty and service than profits, at least for the immediate care part. Even socialized medical care in most first world nations pays private companies for research and development. It's not a zero sum game where you're all socialist or all private, not even in America.

Ok so we do medicare for all, straight up socialized government run healthcare. My wife put herself through school, paid all her loans. She's been an MRI tech for 30 years making over twice what Ive ever made. What happens to her and the millions of medical professionals? take a huge pay cut? Massive tax increases? How do we transition without disruption to peoples employment? supply chains, Equipment manufacturers etc? that will be massive in scale? I've noticed when really sick foreigners have the dough they come here.

[RiverDog]

I still think America could build a socialized medical system as high quality as our military with more of a focus on social duty and service than profits, at least for the immediate care part. Even socialized medical care in most first world nations pays private companies for research and development. It's not a zero sum game where you're all socialist or all private, not even in America.

Ok so we do medicare for all, straight up socialized government run healthcare. My wife put herself through school, paid all her loans. She's been an MRI tech for 30 years making over twice what Ive ever made. What happens to her and the millions of medical professionals? take a huge pay cut? Massive tax increases? How do we transition without disruption to peoples employment? supply chains, Equipment manufacturers etc? that will be massive in scale? I've noticed when really sick foreigners have the dough they come here.

You hit the nail on the head. The fact is that Medicare does not pay chit to the provider, so what's going to happen if we go to a Medicare for All plan is that there are going to be fewer providers (we already have a shortage) and those that are still in business will be taking on more patients to make up for their lost revenue. It will be harder to get appointments and your time with the doctor will be shorter and less thorough. It's a trade off, lower quality for lower cost.

[Aseahawkfan]

Ok so we do medicare for all, straight up socialized government run healthcare. My wife put herself through school, paid all her loans. She's been an MRI tech for 30 years making over twice what Ive ever made. What happens to her and the millions of medical professionals? take a huge pay cut? Massive tax increases? How do we transition without disruption to peoples employment? supply chains, Equipment manufacturers etc? that will be massive in scale? I've noticed when really sick foreigners have the dough they come here.

I guess this is about just the individual? We take a hit and we build a better system for the future. Just like we've done a bunch of times. Someone sacrifices so the future can be better.

And for all the talk, how come Americans are flying elsewhere for their medical care like Mexico or buying prescription medications from Canada in such abundant quantity the government has to put a law in place stopping Americans from buying Canadian medications?

For every story against socialized medicine, there is a story showing why it should happen. Americans can't afford quality medical care. Just because some super rich person can come her and get quality medical care from some wealthy private hospital doesn't mean the average American can. The wealthy will always find some better way to get what they want. This is about Joe Working Class American having access to a better option that isn't tied always to their employment.

I once again offer you and RD to ask around about how healthcare is in other first world nations like Japan, Germany, Canada, and the like. That will tell you what kind of system we can have using a public system. This idea that private healthcare is the end all, be all is tripe. We're socialized through big insurance companies that aren't much different from a government run agency.

[Aseahawkfan]

You hit the nail on the head. The fact is that Medicare does not pay chit to the provider, so what's going to happen if we go to a Medicare for All plan is that there are going to be fewer providers (we already have a shortage) and those that are still in business will be taking on more patients to make up for their lost revenue. It will be harder to get appointments and your time with the doctor will be shorter and less thorough. It's a trade off, lower quality for lower cost.

Far shorter? You have solid information on that? How long is your time with your doctor as is? I talked to my doctor and he is on a time limit set by the hospital to ensure he isn't wasting too much time with a single patient because more time with a single patient isn't as profitable. So not sure what doctor you are going to, but there is an expectation that a certain number of patients are seen in a given day for profitability. Not sure why that is better or even much different.

[RiverDog]

You hit the nail on the head. The fact is that Medicare does not pay chit to the provider, so what's going to happen if we go to a Medicare for All plan is that there are going to be fewer providers (we already have a shortage) and those that are still in business will be taking on more patients to make up for their lost revenue. It will be harder to get appointments and your time with the doctor will be shorter and less thorough. It's a trade off, lower quality for lower cost.

Far shorter? You have solid information on that? How long is your time with your doctor as is? I talked to my doctor and he is on a time limit set by the hospital to ensure he isn't wasting too much time with a single patient because more time with a single patient isn't as profitable. So not sure what doctor you are going to, but there is an expectation that a certain number of patients are seen in a given day for profitability. Not sure why that is better or even much different.

Of course I don't have solid information on that stuff. Hell, Sanders doesn't have solid information on much of what he's proposing, either. Show me solid information on how we're going to fund Medicare for All. That's the problem with this entire proposition: No one has solid information.

But we do know from what has happened in other countries with socialized health care that it's more difficult to get appointments with specialists or lengthy wait times for routine procedures like MRI's and CAT scans. And it only makes sense that if you pay doctors and hospitals less, fewer are going to go into business and many of those that are already in business will be put on shakier financial ground. A common response to a lower margin per unit is to increase quantity.

Bottom line is that you get what you pay for. If you want cheap health care, that's exactly what you're going to get.

[c_hawkbob]

Bottom line is that you get what you pay for. If you want cheap health care, that's exactly what you're going to get.

Or we could get health care at the same cost other first world folks get theirs. While "you get what you pay for may be a general truism, so is "let the buyer beware". If the rest of the world is getting X for price Y, how have we let ourselves become convinced that we have to pay Z for the same thing? The healthcare industry, and in particular big pharma, have their own interests at heart, not ours.

[RiverDog]

Bottom line is that you get what you pay for. If you want cheap health care, that's exactly what you're going to get.

Or we could get health care at the same cost other first world folks get theirs. While "you get what you pay for may be a general truism, so is "let the buyer beware". If the rest of the world is getting X for price Y, how have we let ourselves become convinced that we have to pay Z for the same thing? The healthcare industry, and in particular big pharma, have their own interests at heart, not ours.

If you're comparing apples to apples, ie medical care in other countries is the same or better than ours is here, then maybe.

I'm not sure where it is that people get this idea that Medicare is all that great. It's great in that it's cheap for the consumers, but the providers...and not just the evil "Big Pharma"....hate it. It doesn't pay. When my primary care doctor's clinic went out of business and I was in the market for another physician, I told the records administrator that I was going to take my time selecting a new doctor and their immediate response was "Oh, don't wait long! There's 2,000 patients that are going to be looking for a new doctor and not all of them accept Medicare or only accept X number of Medicare patients." What that tells me is that private insurance is indirectly subsidizing Medicare. When I told the physician doing my last colonoscopy (I've had 4) that I was having my procedure done before I went on Medicare, I thought he was going to kiss me, went on a rant about Medicare and what they don't cover. I don't want him to go out of business then have to drive 150 miles for my next butt job.

If Medicare won't cover it, neither will the supplement, and what ends up happening is that they eliminate those services deemed by some inside the beltway bureaucrat mindful of his budget restrictions as unnecessary. Not sure how that differs from a "for profit" insurance decision.

If they are going to make this Medicare for All concept work, they're going to have to infuse the system with one helluva lot more money per person than they are now, and so far, except for this generic cure-all chant "Tax the Rich!," they haven't provided us with the slightest detail as to where all this money is going to come from. I can't see where they're going to be able to provide the system with sustainable funding, especially when you consider that we're constantly hearing horror stories about the financial woes of the current system.

[c_hawkbob]

I honestly don't care about keeping the rich rich, I'm on the side of the working man. Doctors in other countries live well enough, I don't feel the need to pay for their second home in the Bahamas.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

I can’t say for certain that doctors’ salaries are a significant contributor to medical costs, but I do know that I am thankful my surgeon removed half of my thyroid properly and avoided damaging my vocal chord nerves in the process. If I lived 200 years, I’d likely never be able to do what doctors do, and they incur substantial expense in attaining their education both monetarily and time. I am wary to go along with anything that disincentivizes their profession.

[RiverDog]

I honestly don't care about keeping the rich rich, I'm on the side of the working man. Doctors in other countries live well enough, I don't feel the need to pay for their second home in the Bahamas.

Nor am I. I am simply saying that they haven't shown me where they are going to get all this money for a single payer system besides this nebulous plan to "tax the rich". They use that mantra for everything on their wish list from the Green New Deal to reparations to free college. At some point, they're going to run out of the rich man's money.

And keep in mind that it's not just doctors that get paid via health insurance and/or Medicare. It's the nurse, the receptionist, the janitor, everybody associated with a hospital or clinic.

[RiverDog]

I can’t say for certain that doctors’ salaries are a significant contributor to medical costs, but I do know that I am thankful my surgeon removed half of my thyroid properly and avoided damaging my vocal chord nerves in the process. If I lived 200 years, I’d likely never be able to do what doctors do, and they incur substantial expense in attaining there education both monetarily and time. I am wary to go along with anything that disincentivizes their profession.

Nice post, glad you jumped in.

I mentioned this a few months ago, but we have a shortage of physicians in this country and with the way the population is aging, it's only going to get worse:

A new report by the Association of American Medical Colleges (AAMC) predicts that a shortage of physicians in the U.S. is going to grow worse.

The report estimates a shortfall ranging from 34,600 to 88,000 doctors by 2025, compared to what our growing and aging population may need. By 2030, the shortfall is expected to total anywhere from 40,800 to 104,900 doctors.

Although this is as much an immigration issue as it is health care, about 1 out of 3 doctors in this country are foreign born:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2018-12- ... -born.html

My nephew is currently enrolled in medical school. His costs are on the order of $50k/year. I'm not sure how many years it will take before he's able to start making a living off his chosen profession, but he could easily end up with a debt of a quarter million bucks. Now you're telling me that we're going to embark on a war against these rich doctors? No wonder we're having to import doctors.

[Aseahawkfan]

Of course I don't have solid information on that stuff. Hell, Sanders doesn't have solid information on much of what he's proposing, either. Show me solid information on how we're going to fund Medicare for All. That's the problem with this entire proposition: No one has solid information.

But we do know from what has happened in other countries with socialized health care that it's more difficult to get appointments with specialists or lengthy wait times for routine procedures like MRI's and CAT scans. And it only makes sense that if you pay doctors and hospitals less, fewer are going to go into business and many of those that are already in business will be put on shakier financial ground. A common response to a lower margin per unit is to increase quantity.

Bottom line is that you get what you pay for. If you want cheap health care, that's exactly what you're going to get.

I have given you solid information showing you very clearly that other first world nations like Germany, Canada, Japan, and the United Kingdom all employee effective public health systems producing similar outcomes as the United States for the vast majority of their population for a moderate increase in taxation. None of these countries are terrible to live in compared to the United States. Their medical systems and people aren't known to live terribly. Socialized medicine isn't the kind where the whole nation becomes socialist like say Cuba or Russia which is the countries of concern for folks like IDHawkman who always brings up these terrible communist/dictatorial nations for his examples rather than nations like Germany, Japan, The United Kingdom, and the Scandinavian nations which have effective socialized systems with similar health outcomes to the United States.

I don't see us as running our system worse than these nations except maybe Germany or Scandinavia because we don't have the same ideas of social duty as those two nations. We can certainly run as well as Canada or the United Kingdom.

If you guys could show me how are healthcare system is clearly superior to other first world nations with socialized healthcare for the majority of people not just the wealthy that can fly and pay the expensive brain surgeon, then I guess I could see it. At the moment there are too many advantages to a public system for making everything easier on everyone from workers to employers. No more employers having to constantly change medical insurance to lower costs and fiddle about with it. They save money on administration. No more health insurance companies competing against consumers for healthcare services to price them out of affordability. No more worrying your insurance being gone when you lose your job unable to take care of your family. Even right now one of my people can't take his daughter to the doctor because his spouse started a new job and her insurance won't kick in for a few months. The insurance for a family member is too expensive for company he works for. There are all types of stories like this that are terrible. Simplify and share the costs of health insurance as we're not all sick at the same time and we can share the load to keep each other healthy and going.

There's too many good reasons to move to a socialized, public system. There's too much data showing that medical development will not slow much even if we move to a public system.

I'm not seeing the excessive downsides compared to what we have now: socialized medicine through corporations with a profit margin added to what is already very much like production line healthcare.

[Aseahawkfan]

Nor am I. I am simply saying that they haven't shown me where they are going to get all this money for a single payer system besides this nebulous plan to "tax the rich". They use that mantra for everything on their wish list from the Green New Deal to reparations to free college. At some point, they're going to run out of the rich man's money.

And keep in mind that it's not just doctors that get paid via health insurance and/or Medicare. It's the nurse, the receptionist, the janitor, everybody associated with a hospital or clinic.

We don't have to tax the rich or disincentivize doctor's pursuing education. They don't in other nations. Plenty of ways to build a public system that attracts quality talent and does a good job. I don't hear anyone saying our military is terrible, but they are volunteer and maintained by a good quality system and sense of service. Not every American is driven by money. I would say the medical profession more than most attracts people that like to care for others.

For all the talk about what money doctors make, there are other jobs that pay as much or more that are easier, less demanding on time, and require less education. A lot of people go into medicine or healthcare for a solid job and they like to help others. You can still provide that with a public system.

[Aseahawkfan]

Nice post, glad you jumped in.

I mentioned this a few months ago, but we have a shortage of physicians in this country and with the way the population is aging, it's only going to get worse:

A new report by the Association of American Medical Colleges (AAMC) predicts that a shortage of physicians in the U.S. is going to grow worse.

The report estimates a shortfall ranging from 34,600 to 88,000 doctors by 2025, compared to what our growing and aging population may need. By 2030, the shortfall is expected to total anywhere from 40,800 to 104,900 doctors.

Although this is as much an immigration issue as it is health care, about 1 out of 3 doctors in this country are foreign born:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2018-12- ... -born.html

My nephew is currently enrolled in medical school. His costs are on the order of $50k/year. I'm not sure how many years it will take before he's able to start making a living off his chosen profession, but he could easily end up with a debt of a quarter million bucks. Now you're telling me that we're going to embark on a war against these rich doctors? No wonder we're having to import doctors.

Not surprising. Even with the financial incentive, doctor isn't highest on the list of jobs to do. My father worked in hospitals all of his life. It's hard, dirty, dangerous, and important work. It's not the money that drags everyone in. You have to want to do that job to get in. You can get paid similar money elsewhere for far less work and trouble. I think we can incentivize the job better than the private health industry because money alone does not drive that profession. There's too many other ways to make money than the grueling work in medicine.

[RiverDog]

Not surprising. Even with the financial incentive, doctor isn't highest on the list of jobs to do. My father worked in hospitals all of his life. It's hard, dirty, dangerous, and important work. It's not the money that drags everyone in. You have to want to do that job to get in. You can get paid similar money elsewhere for far less work and trouble. I think we can incentivize the job better than the private health industry because money alone does not drive that profession. There's too many other ways to make money than the grueling work in medicine.

What you say is true. You do have to have a special calling in order to want to become a doctor. Besides the cost, there's a huge amount of schooling, training, internship, etc, before you ever get your sheepskin. I want to say that my nephew is planning on 7 years of med school/internship. It often times means that you have to put a whole lot of other parts of your life on hold. And if you want to start your own practice, it can entail other headaches that come with running a small business....taxes, government regulations, hiring/firing, insurance, etc. Even if I were smart enough, I wouldn't choose to pursue an MD.

But I'm not so sure what you can offer potential MD's as an incentive that's not monetary. Shorter hours? More vacation? That means more doctors. What were you thinking?

[Aseahawkfan]

What you say is true. You do have to have a special calling in order to want to become a doctor. Besides the cost, there's a huge amount of schooling, training, internship, etc, before you ever get your sheepskin. I want to say that my nephew is planning on 7 years of med school/internship. It often times means that you have to put a whole lot of other parts of your life on hold. And if you want to start your own practice, it can entail other headaches that come with running a small business....taxes, government regulations, hiring/firing, insurance, etc. Even if I were smart enough, I wouldn't choose to pursue an MD.

But I'm not so sure what you can offer potential MD's as an incentive that's not monetary. Shorter hours? More vacation? That means more doctors. What were you thinking?

I think I'd build it much like the military, a sort of U.S. Medical service:

1. Paid education and support would be number one. Offer to pay for the schooling of doctors and nurses with guaranteed job placement, focusing on schooling and support in a chosen community preferably near their home if they want.

2. I'd push the program into High Schools focusing recruitment from kids who enjoy science and helping others.

3. I'd offer support for housing as well much like V.A. loans for purchasing homes.

4. I might provide a tax incentive like relief from medical taxes or a reduction from what the average American pays since they provide care for so many.

5. In general try to build in a strong service ethic aimed at keeping Americans in good health much as the military teaches that they serve to keep American freedom well protected. Healthy Americans are less hampered by poor health that limits their options in life and thus their freedom and ability to be a productive contributor to American society.

6. I have talked to doctors that work in corporate offices rather than private practices. Their hours are often shorter. One doctor I talked to gave up his private practice to work in a corporate hospitals because of the workload a private practice entails. A lot of people don't realize that a private practice doctor may make more money, but his business doesn't make money if he isn't there. He has to work a lot of hours to maintain his business as well as self-insure. Whereas a doctor that is part of corporate or large organization often works fewer hours and can take more time off with colleagues picking up the slack for vacations. I think we could make that part of a public medical system.


I think we could also subsidize the public and private partnership with some private insurance much as you use now with medicare. My parents do the same thing. It would provide the base level of care for most people allowing younger, healthier people to maintain the system with taxes while older folks or those with enhanced health problems can improve their health insurance with some private options that boost care. I know Japan using a combination of public and private insurance to make their system work.I imagine it could work here as well.

[c_hawkbob]

Spinning back around to Trump's diminishing mental acuity, and to shine a humorous light on it, Trevor Noah had me bustin' a gut the other night; check out "Trump’s Best Words: Bracket Edition":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ftpc4fwcDfk

[RiverDog]

Spinning back around to Trump's diminishing mental acuity, and to shine a humorous light on it, Trevor Noah had me bustin' a gut the other night; check out "Trump’s Best Words: Bracket Edition":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ftpc4fwcDfk

So what's so bad about that? That's not age related! I used to talk like that all the time when I was in my 20's, usually at around 2:00am.

[Aseahawkfan]

We take all the mistakes of guy that spends almost all his public time talking and take shots at him? Gee, when did I last see this? Oh wait, Bush Jr. The smarmy left likes to hop on every verbal mistake of any Republican or conservative to ridicule them with it. Just one of the pages out of their playbook.

[Aseahawkfan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AioJbNL1JS8

Is he senile or are left leaning liberals just a bunch of jerks who think they're perfect and never make verbal blunders? One must wonder.

And RD's just buying into it because he doesn't like Trump and he's an easy target due to his age.

[RiverDog]

And RD's just buying into it because he doesn't like Trump and he's an easy target due to his age.

C-bob's YouTube video was posted in jest. It has little to do with my contention that Trump is mentally compromised.

And it's not just conservatives that the comic industry targets. Some of the funniest SNL skits ever was during the Clinton-Lewinsky scandal. Jimmy Carter was so lampooned that they actually started a popular sitcom about him while he was in office called "Carter Country" featuring a bumbling "Mayor Burnside by a Landslide".

As far as my 'buying into it' regarding Trump, am I also 'buying into it' when I contend that Joe Biden suffers from a very similar mental decline, too, or when I say that a man that I vehemently oppose and is older that both Trump and Biden in Bernie Sanders is relatively uncompromised?

You're cherry picking statements and positions of mine to fit your own narrative of my opinions.

[RiverDog]

Looks like Biden is the winner of the Washington state primary:

Joe Biden has been declared the winner of last week's Democratic presidential primary in Washington state, giving him victories in 5 out of the 6 states that voted March 10.

https://www.inquirer.com/politics/natio ... 00317.html

WA is one of the most liberal states in the union, a state that Sanders won big in 2016. If he can't win here, he might as well hang it up and get on the Biden bandwagon. No sense prolonging his agony and further damaging the Dem's chances of winning in November.

[Aseahawkfan]

Sanders looks done. And the last time we'll see Sanders try for president.