Great Right Tackles...

[HumanCockroach]

Oxymoronic, no such thing. Because "great" RT's PLAY LT. Be happy to see the list of the "great" right tackles to play the game. Feel free to throw them out there.

I find it silly to imply that players like Jake Long etc could have been had at a "cheap" rate of 8.5 million a year. Thing is NO LT is going to agree to come into another team, and play RT without being PAID like a left tackle, unless their skills have diminished to the point where they ARE a RT not a Left. There IS a reason they play RT folks, and it isn't because they are really good.

So many here HATED or at least disliked strongly Breno, and yet Breno, was one of the TOP RT's available, and was paid as such.

Let's just PRETEND like they could throw out the money for a Jake Long, he either refuses to come to Seattle to play RT Or he plays LT ( the "glamor" Line position) and they MOVE Okung to RT ( stupid) in which case they pay something like 24 million dollars last year for their top three tackles ( 8.5 Long, 9 Okung, 4.6 Giacomini) and CAN'T sign KEY contributors to the just won SB.

The whole gripe started with "upgrades" and baring actual names of said upgrades, it has devolved into neglect of, when that was washed, it turned into financial figures.

Face it guys, that "upgrade" wasn't there to be had, and paying just to make us the 12's "feel better" about an EXPENSIVE, AND MEDIOCRE, wasn't going to bring that Lombardi home. You pay big bucks for a mediocre line, you don't just end up with a mediocre overpriced line, you end up with MULTIPLE MEDIOCRE units, which turns your team into a MEDIOCRE team.

[kalibane]

Just because I like to be contrary, I'll have to throw Willie Anderson out there.

He was a 3 time first team all-pro and 4 time pro-bowler playing right tackle. I can't think of anyone else though and your point remains. They will address the O-Line in time. They have to, they only 7 linemen on the roster (including the newly signed guy).

[NorthHawk]

Lincoln Kennedy and Willie Anderson are two more multiple Pro Bowl players at RT. They might be considered great.
Your point is accurate, but we don't need a great RT - but like all teams would love to have one, just one that is good enough to be competent in stopping both bull rushes and speed off the edge the majority of the time..

[HumanCockroach]

If they can do that North, they indeed are "great" RT's. As much as many didn't like Breno, he was/is considered a "good" one, which just helps illustrate my point. They just simply aren't common, either today, or in the history of the game. We ALL want great players at every position, just isn't always possible, either because of cost, or because they simply aren't around. It has always been common knowledge amongst football circles that your "best, most athletic" lineman plays left tackle, hence NFL teams are relugated to drafting LT's late, and converting them, since there is a huge lack of quality RT's in the NFL, "'you can surmise how often that plan works.

Not saying it can't, and not saying all RT's are garbage, just that RT's in general, are there because they had flaws in their game ( whether it be a bull rush, or a speed rush, or speed, size, arm length, run blocking whatever) and that, not lack of trying is why they simply don't in general exist. Even the 05' team had Locklear on that line, paired with an average guard. The difference was Hutch ( and sorry to say, he simply isn't out there) and a healthy Jones ( key word being healthy). For all the worry about it, I just don't for a second, believe this line is as bad as many profess it to be.

We are not the 11' Cardinals, we are not the 06' Texans. There are indeed some NICE pieces. Whether they can stay healthy and effective, or whether some can improve remains the questions that IMHO SHOULD be focussed on at this point. If they can add to it, great, but if they can't, then that is just the way things work. I simply do not agree it is because of a lack of trying, they have focussed on that line MORE than any other positional group IMO.

[NorthHawk]

You have to keep in mind when looking at Pro Bowl rosters that many times the LTs would be selected and put on the right side. In looking at past rosters there are some years where RT wasn't mentioned so it might be a little bit of a case of the perceived importance of LT overshadowing the RT's for the Pro Bowl.

[RiverDog]

We're concentrating on one position, right tackle. We need guards, too, as well as someone that can play LT to back up Okung. Our roster is very thin with OL's, both in quantity as well as quality. Did I see that we have just 7 OL under contract right now?

But I'm willing to drop the subject at least until draft day. We've beaten this horse long enough. How about someone start another topic that's more likely to generate some agreement?

[Anthony]

We're concentrating on one position, right tackle. We need guards, too, as well as someone that can play LT to back up Okung. Our roster is very thin with OL's, both in quantity as well as quality. Did I see that we have just 7 OL under contract right now?

But I'm willing to drop the subject at least until draft day. We've beaten this horse long enough. How about someone start another topic that's more likely to generate some agreement?

Not sure why there should be disagreement with this one. We found our franchise QB now we need to protect him, so far we have not, its really simple and everyone should agree we need to protect him so there should be no disagreement.

[HumanCockroach]

We're concentrating on one position, right tackle. We need guards, too, as well as someone that can play LT to back up Okung. Our roster is very thin with OL's, both in quantity as well as quality. Did I see that we have just 7 OL under contract right now?

But I'm willing to drop the subject at least until draft day. We've beaten this horse long enough. How about someone start another topic that's more likely to generate some agreement?

Not sure why there should be disagreement with this one. We found our franchise QB now we need to protect him, so far we have not, its really simple and everyone should agree we need to protect him so there should be no disagreement.

Haven't seen anyone claim that we shouldn't protect him, this disagreement stems from how that should come about. BIG difference between wanting to do it, and doing it. I want to be a self sufficient billionaire, for some reason it hasn't just happened for me though. I can't understand why, I mean, I really, really want it, so it should just appear, right? LOL

[Anthony]

We're concentrating on one position, right tackle. We need guards, too, as well as someone that can play LT to back up Okung. Our roster is very thin with OL's, both in quantity as well as quality. Did I see that we have just 7 OL under contract right now?

But I'm willing to drop the subject at least until draft day. We've beaten this horse long enough. How about someone start another topic that's more likely to generate some agreement?

Not sure why there should be disagreement with this one. We found our franchise QB now we need to protect him, so far we have not, its really simple and everyone should agree we need to protect him so there should be no disagreement.

Haven't seen anyone claim that we shouldn't protect him, this disagreement stems from how that should come about. BIG difference between wanting to do it, and doing it. I want to be a self sufficient billionaire, for some reason it hasn't just happened for me though. I can't understand why, I mean, I really, really want it, so it should just appear, right? LOL

Hmm given that distinction I believe the only way to protect Rw is to get a better o-line and to do that we need to bring in FAs, look at trades, and then look at the draft for depth or future starters, since according to Cable it takes time to learn his system. Again still confused about the issue, other than we really have not done anything that has improved the o-line for a few years.

[Seahawks4Ever]

I liked the Breno brought a "nastiness" to the O-Line and that will be missed. But, although Breno had cut back on his bone head penalties (personal fouls) he was STILL doing them. I don't mind a holding call or even a false start(though they drive me crazy) I can't abide the stupid ones that always come at the very worst times.

I am not worried about losing Breno or MQ because Bailey and Bowie did pretty good last season and I expect them to be even better this up coming season. Over paying for Breno or Q would have been STUPID.

[HumanCockroach]

No Anthony in YOUR opinion, and a FEW others opinion, that is the "only way", just because a few have a narrow view of it, doesn't mean "that is the only way". Obviously MORE not less, don't feel that way, and this FO is among them. , as I said, the way we the fans want it done, is where the disagreement lies.

And again I ask, WHO? You say "it's the ONLY way" but UNLESS you have names, it is pointless. FO's don't craft those guys out of thin air. Also, WHO do YOU WANT GONE? Because IF that is the only way, according to you, WHO do you trade for him? Bennett? Sherman? Thomas? WILSON? You better have a plan beyond THIS season, otherwise building that line to "protect" Wilson, is POINTLESS UNLESS you have a decent team AROUND him. How has Brady done since his D went to sh!t? Manning?Rodgers? Brees? Is that an o-fer SB wins? Why yes it is. Interesting....

[c_hawkbob]

Again, on draft day, as teams are trying to jockey into position for particular players there are likely to be as good or better O-line talent being offered up as trade bait than there was in free agency.