4 Reasons Everyone Hates The 49ers

[Vegaseahawk]

1.Jim Harbaugh
2.Jim Harbaugh
3.Jim Harbaugh
4.Jim Harbaugh
http://wallstcheatsheet.com/sports/4-reasons-why-everyone-hates-the-san-francisco-49ers.html/?a=viewall&ref=OB

[HumanCockroach]

Huh. Mine would have went....

1) Niners fans that think they "know" more than everyone else

2) Niners fans that have no retort other than "look at our rings" and refuse to acknowledge the last 20 years, or the first 60 ears of the franchises history. Guess according to them, the NFL history is confined to the 80's and Steve Youngs better years

3) Niners fans that enjoy stabbing, beating or molesting anyone and everyone they can out number ( which isn't a surprise, because most of those fans happen to be Raiders fans as well, that just conveniently jump from one team to the other, depending on who is least embarrassing at the time) and then lecture the rest of NFL fan bases on "class" and what institutes the "right way to win or lose".

4) Harbaugh. Nuff' said, he encompasses the whole enchilada in just about anyway a douche can.

[RiverDog]

Nice link. I loved it.

Funny thing is that I really liked Harbaugh when he was at Stanford, and didn't mind him that much after his first year with the Niners. But the past two years has really soured me on the guy. I can't stand him. Outside of his football IQ, I think he's a slightly more intelligent version of Terry Bradshaw. Harbaugh just looks and acts dumb. Same with Colin Kaepernick. Those two knuckleheads were cut from the same cloth.

I'll never be mistaken for a Pete Carroll groupie, but when it comes to class, PC has it in spades over Jim Harbaugh. Boy, am I glad I'm a 12 instead of a Niner.

[Oly]

My first thought when reading this thread title:

"Only 4?"

[Hawk Sista]

Exactly my thoughts, Oly. I hated Jim Harbaugh as a player, & I've hated the Niners since my youth.

[Zorn76]

When you're so immersed in 49er culture by living at ground zero for that team like I am, you get used to it. Bottom line is, we beat SF to the SB punch as members of the new NFC West.

It's KILLING Harbaugh that he didn't get his team there, especially when the 49ers probably would've beaten the Broncos as well. Maybe not the same way we did - definitely not, actually - but win nonetheless.

This one stings, folks. They lamented losing out on their shot of Lombardi #6 the same way they lost to the NY Giants via Roger Craig's fumble, or how a great '87 team lost to a Jerry Burns led Vikings squad in the divisional round. In short, they blew it.

Kaepernick is a good, young QB with upside. But so far he - along with plenty of others at that position - lack a Key thing: Clutch.

[Futureite]

When you're so immersed in 49er culture by living at ground zero for that team like I am, you get used to it. Bottom line is, we beat SF to the SB punch as members of the new NFC West.

It's KILLING Harbaugh that he didn't get his team there, especially when the 49ers probably would've beaten the Broncos as well. Maybe not the same way we did - definitely not, actually - but win nonetheless.

This one stings, folks. They lamented losing out on their shot of Lombardi #6 the same way they lost to the NY Giants via Roger Craig's fumble, or how a great '87 team lost to a Jerry Burns led Vikings squad in the divisional round. In short, they blew it.

Kaepernick is a good, young QB with upside. But so far he - along with plenty of others at that position - lack a Key thing: Clutch.

Last yr's loss was tough, but I am not sure how much of that has to do with it being to the Seahawks. To be bluntly honest, I am beginning to hate the Seahawks more for your fans for contunuously trying to stoke and create this rivalry than anything about your actual team. I know most people on this board are loyal, longtime fans that don't fall into that category, but the new wave of Hawk fans are beyond obnoxious. The Roger Craig game hurt much worse though; that game was basically over and would have given us a real shot at a 3-peat. If your team wins 5 SBs in 14 yrs and is a legit SB contender for the next 18 yrs I gurantee you'll feel like it's coming back after a 9 yr drought. Hell, the Seahawks had a 4 yr drought of nonwinning seasons and you guys were still talking about owning the new NFC West. This is human nature! Lol.

Kap's already had 2 4th qtr gamewinning drives in the playoffs, and plenty in the regular season. True, he could not complete one of them on a D you all (rightfully so) laud as one of the best in NFL history. Well, in order, Joe Montana put up 3, 3 and 13 pints in his last 3 playoff games V the NY Giants' great Ds of the 80s/90s. I mean, the comment is just riduculous. But this is the type of unfounded Niner hate that you just have to get used to if you are a fan of red n gold. Montana is revered now, but for yrs I heard opposing fans say he was a "faggot" and "overrated".

All I am saying is it goes both ways. Hawks have a great team assembled and this is one of the funnest times to watch as fans of both teams. Should be another great yr.

[HumanCockroach]

LOL. Every Championship team, gets an influx of "obnoxious new fans" , your team was and is no different.

Edit: And as for "owning" the division, what would you call it? 6 of 12 division titles have landed in Seattle since realignment no other team in the division can claim more than 2, most SB appearances, only SB win, and most playoff victories, 9 of 12 seasons in the playoffs. Maybe you don't call that "owning" it, IMHO it certainly is.

Oops, the Niners have 3 one in 02' and the 11' and 12'. Rams have only one. I do find it fascinating that you bring up the "losing"' records, because with those three division titles, SF has 6 losing records ( 5 consecutively with an 8-8 followed by yet another losing record). Sorry, man, but your theory that SF has been a factor or really anyone else for the division is simply wrong.

[Hawk Sista]

Thanks for the lecture on fan rivalry and it's nature. I'll be sure to save that bit of insight for later.

Simple suggestion: if you dislike Hawk fans so much...leave our fan forum! You are every bit the condescending Niner fan that we are talking about. To me, made worse by you saying positive things about our team in a passive aggressive way as though we aren't clever enough to smell you coming.

[Hawk Sista]

I like how he says last year for the asswhuppin last month. Last year was when the favored niners lost to the ravens, the year before you missed the Super Bowl. Stay up, now. We are the reigning champs - show some respect.

[Distant Relative]

Every time Future posts he reminds me of CP.

[HumanCockroach]

See my reason number 1. Future is a prime example.

[Futureite]

Oh ya, passive aggressive compliments? You won the freakin' superbowl! Lolol! If this is not a perfect exame of what I posted about I'm not sure what is. You sure wouldn't prefer I claim it was "luck" rather than to state "you have assembled a great team". What in the hell AM I suppose to say to descibe the team that won the SB??

I am a "perfect example" of what? You beat your chest ariund claiming you have superior depth and talent. Then why did you need 3 score comebacks to beat 2 teams just to secure the division by a game? Why did you trail until the 4th QTR in the NFC Championchip game V this unferior team? I listened to this utter bullshit all offseason, preseason and during the season and still you act like I was rhe cocky D-wad. And all I said in response was that the teams were evenly balanced and it was anyone's division.

CP wouldn't say any of these things, so don't give me that. The VAST MAJORITY of niner fans respect the Hawks and other teams, to the point of almost pissing me off as a fan. Niner fans are always downing their own team, doubting them and expecting too much. I've been a fan for 35 yrs so I know my own base.

And if you want me gone you'll have to block me, because I'll continue to post my honest opinion until the day that happens. I like posting here!!

[HumanCockroach]

Oh ya, passive aggressive compliments? You won the freakin' superbowl! Lolol! If this is not a perfect exame of what I posted about I'm not sure what is. You sure wouldn't prefer I claim it was "luck" rather than to state "you have assembled a great team". What in the hell AM I suppose to say to descibe the team that won the SB??

I am a "perfect example" of what? You beat your chest ariund claiming you have superior depth and talent. Then why did you need 3 score comebacks to beat 2 teams just to secure the division by a game? Why did you trail until the 4th QTR in the NFC Championchip game V this unferior team? I listened to this utter bullshit all offseason, preseason and during the season and still you act like I was rhe cocky D-wad. And all I said in response was that the teams were evenly balanced and it was anyone's division.

CP wouldn't say any of these things, so don't give me that. The VAST MAJORITY of niner fans respect the Hawks and other teams, to the point of almost pissing me off as a fan. Niner fans are always downing their own team, doubting them and expecting too much. I've been a fan for 35 yrs so I know my own base.

And if you want me gone you'll have to block me, because I'll continue to post my honest opinion until the day that happens. I like posting here!!

Example one. Niners fans that think they know more than everyone else. You just reaffirmed it. As for the 3 score corners, that is PROVING the point of having a deeper team, not sure that is the angle you were looking for.

Post as long as you want, but grow some balls. You don't want to be beat down for expressing your honest opinion, even if they sometimes turn into half truths, or outright lies, you should EXPECT to be called on them. Feel free to call me "expressing my honest opinion" arrogance, but last I checked, this IS a Seahawks board, and I AM posting here, not arrogantly believing my opinion NEEDS to be expressed on a Niners forum. You want arrogant, look in the mirror Future. Expressing views on MY team, on a board dedicated to MY team, isn't arrogant.

Expressing superiority in ANY facet on another teams board IS.

Claiming superiority of a division, when the team has in fact backed it up, on that teams board isn't arrogance, it is after all what has HAPPENED, DIFFERENCE is I don't seek out other fans to rub their noses in it.

Obviously you're emotional, I mean no longer do you have the "they have done nothing that matters" claim, as the Seahawks HANDS down has been the superior franchise in recent history, and now stands squarely in the Niners way for the forseeable future, tough. We served our dues, took our jabs, and if you think we all are going to be quiet about it, on OUR f-ing board, you're dumber than most here believed.

[Hawktawk]

When you're so immersed in 49er culture by living at ground zero for that team like I am, you get used to it. Bottom line is, we beat SF to the SB punch as members of the new NFC West.

It's KILLING Harbaugh that he didn't get his team there, especially when the 49ers probably would've beaten the Broncos as well. Maybe not the same way we did - definitely not, actually - but win nonetheless.

This one stings, folks. They lamented losing out on their shot of Lombardi #6 the same way they lost to the NY Giants via Roger Craig's fumble, or how a great '87 team lost to a Jerry Burns led Vikings squad in the divisional round. In short, they blew it.

Kaepernick is a good, young QB with upside. But so far he - along with plenty of others at that position - lack a Key thing: Clutch.

I don't buy that the whiners would have beaten Denver. They lost the year before against a Ravens team that miraculously beat Denver in the 2012 playoffs and got blown out to open last season with Manning throwing 7 TD's.And they would have gotten pounded in that game if they hadn't had a 45 minute power outage to regroup.

Both the 9ers and Hawks have a good front 7 but Seattle's safeties and corners are light years better. Manning might have carved the whiners up like a Christmas turkey.
We have Wilson, who looks more and more like the real MVP of SB 48 every time I watch it. His passing touch, escapability, and superb ball handling are unbelievable. The 9ers have copper dork, the worst rated passer under pressure in the league.Hes got an Adonis body but hes flat out a dumb, tatted up gangster who keeps making the same mistakes and he always will. As a face of a franchise hes an embarrassment.Hes a great running back with a big strong arm. But as a field general hes laughable.

They have Hairball the whining little girl who is so tight he squeaks and it infects his teams psyche. Seattle has a new age genius, laid back people person who is a master motivator.

No I'm not buying the 9ers win that game, not at all. It demeans our win to say the damn Niners would have won too.

But nice thread guys and gals. Its fun to watch Future loser get all lathered up.

[Vegaseahawk]

Montana put up 3, 3 and 13 pints in his last 3 playoff games

Wow, I wonder how he would've done if he was sober!

I don't hate on Future, I think he has tried to give begrudging respect to the Seahawks on this board, but, at times, he has also posted some myopic garbage. Overall, I enjoy his presence on our board. He is right about some of the neo-fan spew that I've seen, not so much on this board, but on some of the comments sections of articles regarding the Seahawks, & the NFC West. Most of this stuff is coming from younger people who can't remember who the Seahawks QB was in 1998, much less the overall history of the team. When I consider the source, I know that, as ridiculously juvenile as it is, it still represents our fan base, abiet a small portion thereof. Every successful team has that. It's just that when a team achieves the ultimate goal, & becomes a center point in the public eye, or the latest topic in sports, then here they come, those people without substance, who make outrageous, outlandish statements against the fans of other, whether rivals or not, teams. I guess it's the price of the prize, & we'll have to live with it for the NEXT TEN YEARS!

[Zorn76]

Good to see that you're already in regular season form, Futureite, even though it's only March:)

The rivalry exists, because both teams are actually good at the same time, and their last matchup was for all the (Super Bowl) marbles.

The 49ers are a great team. But while Kaepernick is young, his decision making in the clutch should be better than it is. The point isn't that his last pass was picked, but rather that it was the wrong choice to begin with. On 1st down no less. Forget about stats for a moment, and look to see if he can get your team over the hump. Losing a SB doesn't count, winning one does. And no franchise knows that better than yours.

[Zorn76]

When you're so immersed in 49er culture by living at ground zero for that team like I am, you get used to it. Bottom line is, we beat SF to the SB punch as members of the new NFC West.

It's KILLING Harbaugh that he didn't get his team there, especially when the 49ers probably would've beaten the Broncos as well. Maybe not the same way we did - definitely not, actually - but win nonetheless.

This one stings, folks. They lamented losing out on their shot of Lombardi #6 the same way they lost to the NY Giants via Roger Craig's fumble, or how a great '87 team lost to a Jerry Burns led Vikings squad in the divisional round. In short, they blew it.

Kaepernick is a good, young QB with upside. But so far he - along with plenty of others at that position - lack a Key thing: Clutch.

I don't buy that the whiners would have beaten Denver. They lost the year before against a Ravens team that miraculously beat Denver in the 2012 playoffs and got blown out to open last season with Manning throwing 7 TD's.And they would have gotten pounded in that game if they hadn't had a 45 minute power outage to regroup.

Both the 9ers and Hawks have a good front 7 but Seattle's safeties and corners are light years better. Manning might have carved the whiners up like a Christmas turkey.
We have Wilson, who looks more and more like the real MVP of SB 48 every time I watch it. His passing touch, escapability, and superb ball handling are unbelievable. The 9ers have copper dork, the worst rated passer under pressure in the league.Hes got an Adonis body but hes flat out a dumb, tatted up gangster who keeps making the same mistakes and he always will. As a face of a franchise hes an embarrassment.Hes a great running back with a big strong arm. But as a field general hes laughable.

They have Hairball the whining little girl who is so tight he squeaks and it infects his teams psyche. Seattle has a new age genius, laid back people person who is a master motivator.

No I'm not buying the 9ers win that game, not at all. It demeans our win to say the damn Niners would have won too.

But nice thread guys and gals. Its fun to watch Future loser get all lathered up.

Point taken.

The hunch here is that SF would've had enough offense and defense to win the SB. Remember, Manning is as big a choker as anybody in big games. He's seldom ever his regular season self when it matters, and the 49ers front 7 would have made it a long day for him as well. SF's secondary is vulnerable, but the Broncos WR's were totally overrated to begin with.

Anyway, nobody knows for sure, and the important thing is that the Seahawks are Super Bowl Champs:)

[HumanCockroach]

Good to see that you're already in regular season form, Futureite, even though it's only March:)

The rivalry exists, because both teams are actually good at the same time, and their last matchup was for all the (Super Bowl) marbles.

The 49ers are a great team. But while Kaepernick is young, his decision making in the clutch should be better than it is. The point isn't that his last pass was picked, but rather that it was the wrong choice to begin with. On 1st down no less. Forget about stats for a moment, and look to see if he can get your team over the hump. Losing a SB doesn't count, winning one does. And no franchise knows that better than yours.

Hell, you could say there was a string of truly bad decisions, the entire fourth quarter on his part. The pick thrown to Kam was one of the absolutely worst decisions I've seen any QB make in the playoffs. The decision on Sherman, showed panic IMO, the throw to Kam showed stupidity. I'm not one to bash on Kap, the guy has a load of talent, but he is getting to the point where he either becomes the next Vick ( all the talent in the world, and will have big games sprinkled throughout his career) or he takes the next step and becomes truly dangerous. I am not saying he won't, just that that time is indeed approaching, and personally, I am fascinated to find out if SF invests big and it works, or invests big, and is hamstrung for the next 5 to 8 years.

Either they hit big, or they pay for a long time. The clock is ticking for them IMHO, and it's Kap that will decide if they are winners or losers.

[RiverDog]

Every time Future posts he reminds me of CP.

That's not even close to being true. You guys forget what CP's style was like. He was much more obnoxious than any other poster I've ever encountered, with is sarcastic back handed compliments and his way of pushing the envelope by sneaking Cowboy subjects into a Hawks forum. He not only insulted our team but our entire region with his sarcasm. He's the type of guy that loved throwing turds into punchbowls. As far as I'm concerned, there's a night and day difference. You may not like what Future says, but at least he comes out and says it to your face rather than using some thinly veiled slight to disguise it.

As far as Future's claim that we are attracting more obnoxious fans since our SB title, I disagree. All fan bases have their obnoxious elements, including ours. They've always been there in roughly the same percentage now as before. It's just that 49'ers fans like Future notices them more than before because of recent results. Losing causes you to get more sensitive to criticism. If a person says "your team sucks" and you happen to be the SB champs, you can laugh at their ignorance. But when you're a Niners fan and some Seahawk fan says "your team sucks", you go on the defensive and start rationalizing, make up excuses, and start talking about the past, just like Future is doing. I'm sure no one's going to go up to Jim Harbaugh and try to console him by saying "it's OK, Jimmy. We have 5 rings!"

In other words, the truth hurts.

[kalibane]

As soon as you make the claim that it doesn't suck a little bit more for Harbaugh to watch the Hawks hoist the Lombardi, you lose credibility. Harbaugh practically made his career off of being a thorn in Carroll's side. Being the weak sister first in college and now in the NFL is exactly the kind of thing that bothers Jim Harbaugh more than anything else.



HC...

My gut says that the niners win but I don't think it's as automatic as you might believe. The Broncos offense matches up a lot better against the Niner defense than they do against Seattle.

1. No Navarro Bowman. He was their best player and he was their only player that could cover Julius Jones.

2. Aldon Smith is their only pass rusher in their base defense. Manning is great at sliding protections and buying an extra second in the pocket. It's not the same thing as trying to stop both Clemmons and Avril off the ends as well as Bennett up the middle (which is how you really bother Manning, by getting in his face). They could use Willis and Brooks are both good blitzers but Manning KILLS the blitz.

3. The WRs are only overrated when you can get physical with them. The Niners don't have the corners for that. The Seattle corners gave the pass rush a half a second extra to disrupt Manning and that was huge. I think Demaryius runs wild on them.

4. They don't have a FS good enough to allow Donte Whitner to stay in the box, set the tone and pretty much own the middle of the field the way Kam did. Plus Whitner is terrible in coverage and would have given up at least one huge play.

Ironically I think it would be the fact that the Broncos would not be able to contain Kaepernick and the physicality of Boldin and Crabtree would overwhelm the Bronco's smaller corners which would have won them the game but I think it would be close and I could easily see the Niners losing.

[Eaglehawk]

They are the natural enemies of the Seahawks. Seahawks are Dragons. Forty Niners are dogs. Chinese calendar.

They are mortal enemies. Nuff said from the original East Coast.

[Oly]

My .02:

-I think the 9ers are clearly better than the Broncos and would have won by double digits. The loss of Bowman would have hurt, but I think their defense is physical enough to have disrupted the Broncos' offense. I also think their run game was up to the task of controlling the game. I think Kaep is a good QB, but I wouldn't trust him on the big stage to play a mistake-free game. I think he would have put up enough points to win, but would have made enough mistakes to keep the Broncos in it. I think 27-16 would have been a decent prediction.

-I don't mind Futureite. I think some banter with other fans is nice on any board, and he's among the most tolerable I've seen on a board (along with a Rams fan from back in the day...Rambo, maybe?). He gives the Hawks credit where it's due and will actually respond to points people make. Regardless of what I think about the quality of those points, the fact that he can do so without just falling back on "Seadderall Cheathawks" BS makes him okay in my book.

-Every good team picks up bandwagon fans, who are nearly always pains in the ass. I'm not surprised the Hawks have some, too. I generally think that with few exceptions, most fan bases are like most others. I don't think that people are that different depending on where they live and the teams they follow. The exceptions for me tend to be Cowboys who pull the "America's team" BS, Stealers fans who don't admit that the "one for the thumb" was greatly aided by the zebras, Oakland fans who have incorporated being a$$holes into their team identity, and Eagles fans who show that by some miracle Philadelphia produces some of the worst fans on the planet. Otherwise, every team has its mix of fans who are smart, stupid, arrogant, longsuffering, respectful, etc.

[Hawk Sista]

Yeah, but there are decent raider fans and gangster Niner fans, there are family Philly fans, and Hawk fans who get drunk & fight. I'd feel safer at a Raider game than a Hawk can at a Niner game...@ least at that ghetto of a Stick they called home.

The Sheadderall Cheathawks won the Super Bowl. And whether or not radio stations in the Bay Area say much about the loss in the NFCCG, local niners call that win lucky & paramount to the XL debacle. I am sick of hearing it. It was closer than it should have been, but 3 (shoulda been 4) TOs in the 4th ain't getting it done. And acting like a punk beetch after the game and saying if I woulda thrown a better ball.... Blah, blah, blah. You didn't. And you were bested by the best.

And Future acting like this loss wasn't painful.... and that maybe one day when we are all grown up and win some more we will finally understand what tradition and rivalry are all about is irritating too. And he knows it. It's why he does it.

[Oly]

Yeah, but there are decent raider fans and gangster Niner fans, there are family Philly fans, and Hawk fans who get drunk & fight. I'd feel safer at a Raider game than a Hawk can at a Niner game...@ least at that ghetto of a Stick they called home.

Oh, of course. I would hope that any time any person talks about a fanbase, they realize that there is a ton of variability like you mention. My point was that I have a hard time finding any differences between fanbases.

The Sheadderall Cheathawks won the Super Bowl. And whether or not radio stations in the Bay Area say much about the loss in the NFCCG, local niners call that win lucky & paramount to the XL debacle. I am sick of hearing it. It was closer than it should have been, but 3 (shoulda been 4) TOs in the 4th ain't getting it done. And acting like a punk beetch after the game and saying if I woulda thrown a better ball.... Blah, blah, blah. You didn't. And you were bested by the best.

Maybe I'd be singing a different tune if I lived in 9er land...

And Future acting like this loss wasn't painful.... and that maybe one day when we are all grown up and win some more we will finally understand what tradition and rivalry are all about is irritating too. And he knows it. It's why he does it.

Which is why I said "Regardless of what I think about the quality of those points..." They can be grating and condescending, but they are still better than most trolls out there, who won't even bother to respond to the substance of a post but just spew hate.

[kalibane]

As my wife is fond of saying...

-50 is better than -100 but so what? Either way you're still in the red.

[Seahawks4Ever]

Futurite, you are the one who is coming to a SEAHAWK FAN FORUM what do YOU expect read??? Probably something like, " Oh, we were so LUCKY to have won the NFC Championship game" " I mean, Colin Kaphisdick is like the awesome QB EVER I don't know how we were able to Squeek by" .

Get real Future boy, you are welcome to leave any time you can't stand the heat. I mean, exactly how Seahawk fans treated in a similar 49ner fan forum??? Not as well as you are treated here I imagine, I wouldn't know, I don't have any desire to go to other teams fan forums and spout off. I am not a glutton for punishment...

[Hawk Sista]

You and I agree, Oly. Totally.

And I know I am beating a dead horse, and that it should not even matter to me. BUT, I was told last week by a dear friend (3 days after chemo while my dog was in the hospital) that the Hawks merely got very lucky. Had the refs have paid attention, it would have been a 15 point swing...easy. But since we were afforded the luxury of crappy officiating and won a game we should not have, he rooted for the Hawks because I have cancer. I told him that he needed to re-watch the game sans red/gold blinders. I listed the calls and no calls form the NFCCG, but - nice as he is - he absolutely insists it was a ruse as do many round these parts.

BTW, this notion made me reconsider my feelings about XL - which just so happened to be on NLFN a few nights ago. Uhhhhhhhhhhhh... after re-watching that painful pit of a game - no, it did not. And we should, by rights, have 2 Lobardi's - but oh well. The bad calls in that game took points off the board and added them the other way. EVERY TIME. Not in any way comparable to the NFCCG - The niners scored on the drive when Colin kicked the ball to his o-linemen on 3rd down........they would not have been in a position to win if that would have been called correctly. YES, I saw the questionable calls.....but they went both ways. And being here in niner land, I can tell you that many have a real belief that their boys were rooked out of a trip to the Super Bowl. TRUST ME - one guy almost failed to pay up on the bet we had.

[kalibane]

I'm going to say this one more time Sista and hopefully this eases your anger about the XL game, because honestly when I think about it this way I would not wanted it any other way.

If they win that game. Tim Ruskell is still our GM. No Pete Carroll, no John Schneider, No Marshawn Lynch, No Sherman, No Browner, No Maxwell, No Chancellor (remember how Ruskell liked small defensive backs).

Maybe they get Earl Thomas... and suprisingly maybe just maybe they get Russell Wilson (remember how high on undersized character guys Ruskell was).

But still there is no way we have the team we have to cheer for now, and I loved this team way more than the 2005 team even before they hoisted the Lombardi. If the Seahawks win that first one, they don't win a second. Instead we probably still have Jim Mora and Greg Knapps ridiculous offense while the Niners are hoisting their 6th.

[HumanCockroach]

From my perspective, Championship teams have the fortitude and drive to overcome bad calls, IF ( and that is a HIGE if in my book) there were "more" bad calls that went against the Niners in that game, tough, obviously they weren't good enough to overcome them ( fyi they had the opportunities and kept blowing them), can't play it one way in this regard. I was exasperated with XL, because I felt like the game had no flow, and as such, removed my ability ( and Steelers fans for that matter) to ROOT for my team. That SB NEVER felt like it STARTED, but was some sort of meaningless scrimmage.

Even an ignorant Niners fan can't claim there was a call stopping the flow of that game every 2 minutes, and the idea that therewasn't blown calls going BOTH ways is stupidity at it's finest. Kaps "kick" save ( that would have indeed turned into yet ANOTHER turn over) is a PRIME example. The Niners score a TD on the NEXT play ( Thomas tip to Boldin for TD0, the block on the sideline, also was ignored, which very easily could have been yet ANOTHER turn over ( fumbled punt that a second gunner would have had a great chance at recovering, well, IF he were aloud to run down the field) deep in Niners territory, Shermans flag for holding on third down also was a blown call, as there is NO defensive holding once a QB leaves the pocket, and yet that also turned into a FG for the Niners.....

Point is, those calls went BOTH ways, period. The Refs let the PLAYERS win or lose the game, the Niners simply put were NOT the better team, that day, or that season for that matter. Might be hard for Niners fans to accept, but it is indeed the FACTS of the matter.

[Hawk Sista]

I'm going to say this one more time Sista and hopefully this eases your anger about the XL game, because honestly when I think about it this way I would not wanted it any other way.

If they win that game. Tim Ruskell is still our GM. No Pete Carroll, no John Schneider, No Marshawn Lynch, No Sherman, No Browner, No Maxwell, No Chancellor (remember how Ruskell liked small defensive backs).

Maybe they get Earl Thomas... and suprisingly maybe just maybe they get Russell Wilson (remember how high on undersized character guys Ruskell was).

But still there is no way we have the team we have to cheer for now, and I loved this team way more than the 2005 team even before they hoisted the Lombardi. If the Seahawks win that first one, they don't win a second. Instead we probably still have Jim Mora and Greg Knapps ridiculous offense while the Niners are hoisting their 6th.

I hear your point. I really do and I will endeavor to let it go, lord knows I need to. Less so for me as a fan, as we have one to celebrate...I feel bad for those players and coaches, for that team. For Walt, for Matt, for Lofa, for SA, for Mack and Robbie (Huck Futch) and for MIKE (love him or hate him, he made the Hawks relevant again after a decades long hiatus). It is what it is.

[Zorn76]

Fans complaining about calls is to be expected to some degree, especially during the playoffs. The further into postseason rounds, the more passion there is about them. Makes sense.

What 49er fans are missing though, IMO, is that their claim that the game was "controversial" by nature was not backed by national media. Any attention it got in that regard was, essentially, negligible. Even local radio here where I live (KNBR 680, the 49ers flagship station) acknowledged that they were, in the end, flat-out beat by the Seahawks.

Our first SB touched off a firestorm Nation wide. There were numerous debates from sports editors across the country that gave their respective 2 cents on whether or not the game was a complete farce. Point is, no matter which stance writers took, they were taking a stand to begin with. It's Laughable to even mention this year's NFCCG in the same breath as what happened in Detroit 8 yrs ago.

I think most SF fans would agree that they were beat, and legitimately. What inspired this latest contention was they, once again, fell short of a 6th trophy. They are also starting to get into "Raider" like territory, in terms of reliance on past glory as a trump card. This fall will mark 20 years since they won a SB. So while it's natural, even understandable in some respects to point out Lombardi totals, the passing of Two decades would dictate that they may want to start thinking about giving it a rest:)

[Oly]

As you said, sista, there are bad apples in every fanbase. I've very sorry to hear that you've had your fill of the bottom of the 49er barrel, and that there seem to be so many of them. In the end, sports are just entertainment, and it's depressing when people use sports to be sh*tty to each other.

We had that XL debate on this board shortly after the SB (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=329), and I'll repeat what I said there: this SB washed the XL bitter taste out of my mouth, but I do feel for the players, especially Big Walt and Mack.

[Futureite]

Good to see that you're already in regular season form, Futureite, even though it's only March:)

The rivalry exists, because both teams are actually good at the same time, and their last matchup was for all the (Super Bowl) marbles.

The 49ers are a great team. But while Kaepernick is young, his decision making in the clutch should be better than it is. The point isn't that his last pass was picked, but rather that it was the wrong choice to begin with. On 1st down no less. Forget about stats for a moment, and look to see if he can get your team over the hump. Losing a SB doesn't count, winning one does. And no franchise knows that better than yours.

Lol I did kinda lose it there. But I am prone to do that at times. But you know my rules; if you have the stats, and you.perform in the clutch that = great. So I have no issues calling a D that was number 1 in 3 categories and made huge plays in huge games great. If people believe that I am being disengenuous, so be it.

I also do believe that every fanbase has a wave of yappers, but I have honestly not felt anything remotely close to this level of junk from any rival in the past. Not the Cowboys, Rams or Raiders. This could be a result of the internet - which obviously was not around in the 80's/90's. Who knows. Whatever the case is, it's tangible and it clearly extends deeper than football, into some perceived dramatic differences in culture. I've never seen anything like this in 35 yrs of following the Warriors, Giants and 49ers. I just wonder where it came from and why it exists.

As far as Kap goes, the other day I wondered what the headlines would have read like if Willis had picked up the handoff that Wilson botched and ran it back 99 yds for the winning TD late in the 4th. Would he have been a "choker"? Steve Young threw a critical INT in the endzone of his first NFC Title game. He was even worse the next yr in the NFC Title game V the same team. People called him a "choker" too. Kap has already won enough big games for that title to be flat out ridiculous. But people said it of Elway, said it of Young, and they'll say it of any QB that continually gets close until that QB wins.

[HumanCockroach]

Good to see that you're already in regular season form, Futureite, even though it's only March:)

The rivalry exists, because both teams are actually good at the same time, and their last matchup was for all the (Super Bowl) marbles.

The 49ers are a great team. But while Kaepernick is young, his decision making in the clutch should be better than it is. The point isn't that his last pass was picked, but rather that it was the wrong choice to begin with. On 1st down no less. Forget about stats for a moment, and look to see if he can get your team over the hump. Losing a SB doesn't count, winning one does. And no franchise knows that better than yours.

Lol I did kinda lose it there. But I am prone to do that at times. But you know my rules; if you have the stats, and you.perform in the clutch that = great. So I have no issues calling a D that was number 1 in 3 categories and made huge plays in huge games great. If people believe that I am being disengenuous, so be it.

I also do believe that every fanbase has a wave of yappers, but I have honestly not felt anything remotely close to this level of junk from any rival in the past. Not the Cowboys, Rams or Raiders. This could be a result of the internet - which obviously was not around in the 80's/90's. Who knows. Whatever the case is, it's tangible and it clearly extends deeper than football, into some perceived dramatic differences in culture. I've never seen anything like this in 35 yrs of following the Warriors, Giants and 49ers. I just wonder where it came from and why it exists.

As far as Kap goes, the other day I wondered what the headlines would have read like if Willis had picked up the handoff that Wilson botched and ran it back 99 yds for the winning TD late in the 4th. Would he have been a "choker"? Steve Young threw a critical INT in the endzone of his first NFC Title game. He was even worse the next yr in the NFC Title game V the same team. People called him a "choker" too. Kap has already won enough big games for that title to be flat out ridiculous. But people said it of Elway, said it of Young, and they'll say it of any QB that continually gets close until that QB wins.

That road goes BOTH ways Future, you know how many years many fans of this team have had to listen to the "ring" or "you haven't done nothing" comments, and NOT just from the Niner fan base either, but almost every teams fan base that has ever won a SB. So you'll forgive some of us if we turn it around for a change ( not that we all have to, or need to, just that some have been taking crap for so damn long, it feels justified to turn the tables for a change).

No longer do we HAVE to hear it, because it is no longer a viable excuse, so now it has changed to the Seahawks "cheated" their way to a title ( something that you weren't skirting all that long ago, as well as they haven't done anything) well now they HAVE and they have a great shot at doing it AGAIN.

No longer are they the team "from south Alaska" they are the Sea hawks, and are finally getting some due, can't expect new or old fans to be quiet about it, people in Niner land haven't been shy about crowing since the 80's, so why the hell should fans of this team be directly following a SB victory?

[Zorn76]

Well, I'm not the one labeling CK as a "choker" to begin with. That's the word you used. I said he needs to improve his decision making at key moments. The difference, IMO, is that choker not only refers to present day, but moving forward as well. That somebody has little to no chance of upside, which I don't believe is the case for Kaepernick.

Actually, if we were to anoint a choker of sorts, it would be your secondary as a whole, during big playoff games. They got burned badly in both the SB last year and on a few crucial plays in this year's championship game in Seattle. Stats only matter to a point, particularly during the playoffs, because clutch moments can make up for nearly everything that's gone wrong before. As good as your secondary was in many ways the last couple years, they left a lot to be desired in the aforementioned games, and had as much to do with SF losing as a anybody else on the team.

Again, the 49ers are a great team. They have a solid shot at another SB this year. But you know as well as I do, they haven't been clutch enough when it counts the most.

[Futureite]

Well, I'm not the one labeling CK as a "choker" to begin with. That's the word you used. I said he needs to improve his decision making at key moments. The difference, IMO, is that choker not only refers to present day, but moving forward as well. That somebody has little to no chance of upside, which I don't believe is the case for Kaepernick.

Actually, if we were to anoint a choker of sorts, it would be your secondary as a whole, during big playoff games. They got burned badly in both the SB last year and on a few crucial plays in this year's championship game in Seattle. Stats only matter to a point, particularly during the playoffs, because clutch moments can make up for nearly everything that's gone wrong before. As good as your secondary was in many ways the last couple years, they left a lot to be desired in the aforementioned games, and had as much to do with SF losing as a anybody else on the team.

Again, the 49ers are a great team. They have a solid shot at another SB this year. But you know as well as I do, they haven't been clutch enough when it counts the most.

Ya I agree. Our D has not upheld its end of the bargain in the back end. But to be honest, if I could pinpoint one area where we lost both the SB and last yr's NFCCCG it would be on STs. Jacoby Jones' kickoff return and especially Doug Baldwin's 60+ yd return after we went up 17-10 late in the 3rd were killers. Each either created or swung momentum. And honestly, the playcalling in the SB was a mirror image of the 2011 NFCCCG, with the exact same hortside out to Crab. So, it was a failure on many levels. Bottom line, the better teams won those games.

As for the last throw V Seattle: Not sure if this is accurate, but Kap said they ran a "bunch" on the left side with the specific intention of getting Crab a one on one matchup to throw that fade. According to Tim Hasselbeck and Dilfer, that was the correct read and throw. So, I cannot say for certain that was a bad decision. Seems like consensus is that he made the right decision and the right read, but did not execute the throw. Whether that is true or not, I complained all yr that we never threw into the endzone once inside the 20. So, I cannot turn around now and ask why we didn't pitty pat with less than :30, because that rarely worked during the season. The staff didn't call a timeout, we went for it, Sherman made an excellent play. That's the long and short of it to me.

All I can say now is thank god you didn't land Jared Allen! What a nightmare that would have been.

[Futureite]

HC;

Touche'. Those are good points and I cannot argue with them. I defend our history at times because it is a part of my childhood. But for the most part I have forgotten it and prefer to leave it in the past. I guarantee you will remember 2013 and defend it for the rest of your life too if someone attacks it, because it has undoutedky brought you so much joy. We all get attached to our players and our teams. But I fully understand and appreciate your points.

[Zorn76]

Yep, lol, Jared Allen woulda been HUGE for us if we signed him. Ugh, just got through posting that elsewhere.

As for the final play, I dunno. I mean, Sherman Excels in man to man coverage in those situations. So while it may normally be the correct read, I think RS is one of the few exceptions to that rule. And CK new he was out there, obviously.

It did take a heck of a play for that INT to happen, to be sure, but I also think Kaep's contention (and others) that if he threw it higher it woulda been a TD isn't accurate. Any higher and I think the throw carries MC out of bounds. But at least in that scenario, it's still only 2nd down with time for 2 or 3 more plays.

Anyway, this isn't to beat up on your team. It'll be between Seattle and SF for the Super Bowl next season as well, IMO. I think the Panthers actually take a big fall with some of the losses they've had in the offseason, and no other team really has as dominate a defense like the Seahawks or 49ers, all things considered.

I actually look for Seattle to improve on offense, taking some pressure off the D to win games. Percy Harvin healthy really makes us a whole different team in that regard. If the Hawks can average 3 more ppg, it'd put us over the 450 mark (465), which adds up to 29 per. Harvin can help achieve that goal, and it'd be awfully tough to hang 30 on us any given Sunday. We'll see.

[Futureite]

Yep, lol, Jared Allen woulda been HUGE for us if we signed him. Ugh, just got through posting that elsewhere.

As for the final play, I dunno. I mean, Sherman Excels in man to man coverage in those situations. So while it may normally be the correct read, I think RS is one of the few exceptions to that rule. And CK new he was out there, obviously.

It did take a heck of a play for that INT to happen, to be sure, but I also think Kaep's contention (and others) that if he threw it higher it woulda been a TD isn't accurate. Any higher and I think the throw carries MC out of bounds. But at least in that scenario, it's still only 2nd down with time for 2 or 3 more plays.

Anyway, this isn't to beat up on your team. It'll be between Seattle and SF for the Super Bowl next season as well, IMO. I think the Panthers actually take a big fall with some of the losses they've had in the offseason, and no other team really has as dominate a defense like the Seahawks or 49ers, all things considered.

I actually look for Seattle to improve on offense, taking some pressure off the D to win games. Percy Harvin healthy really makes us a whole different team in that regard. If the Hawks can average 3 more ppg, it'd put us over the 450 mark (465), which adds up to 29 per. Harvin can help achieve that goal, and it'd be awfully tough to hang 30 on us any given Sunday. We'll see.

Ya Percy is a monster upgrade from Tate. Tate, Percy had proven he can beat coverage on a consistent basis AND get YAC. I actually like Kearse a lot more than Rice. He has size and big play ability. IMO your receivers are upgraded from last yr by default which sucks on some levels but gives me minor satisfaction that I no longer have to listen to the toutung of Tate and Rice lol. Plus, this draft is so deep at wr that you could end up with a stud like Marquise Lee.

I don't take the comments as beating up on us. Just calling it as you saw it. I was a fan of throwing to the endzone, but not the damn fade. Roman is a questionable OC. I mean, we hadn't thrown corner fades all yr and then he unveiled 3 in a row in GB. None of them worked. To me, that is an approach that was taught in practice all week and most likely practiced in 4th qtr drills. But you cannot get that timing and execution down in a couple weeks. Odds are if we had called a timeout and tried to dink and doink the last 18 yds we don't get in. Didn't work all yr. Also, people forget that Crab has beaten Sherm on that exact same route several times. Maybe that's what they were thinking? Not what I would have done, why go at their best player? But oh well.

Will be interesting to see what both teams do in the upcoming draft. Could tell a lot about what they each perceive their weakness to be.