Schneider on Brock and Danny

[EntiatHawk]

Great piece with JS. The interesting tidbit was what he said abut not having the two most explosive players on the field last year. Harvin and Michaels. I am hoping we see something special out of CM this year. Though we did not get Allen in FA this will be a test of the system and the ability of PC and JS to reload the talent. with a good draft this year we may even be better than last year, scary thought.

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[Eaglehawk]

That is the beauty of PC. He demonstrated it during the middle of last season when he asked the team to step it up.
And the rest was history.
We still ended up being a play away from losing to SFO, even then. Thank god for Sherman eh?

[monkey]

I have to say this...when a team has a six point lead, in the fourth quarter with time ticking away, it's not so desperate as "OMG they were one play away from losing".
Seriously...that's the media's slant on how we won.
My take is, we had a six point lead, with our defense on the field.
GAME OVER!
One play away...dude they had to score a touchdown.
Anything else is failure. It was touchdown or nothing...and they were trying to get that touchdown against the team that gave up the FEWEST in the league. Even worse, they were no longer running the ball, so they were completely one dimensional. We had the upper hand in every way imaginable.
We had the leagues best passing defense, best red zone defense, best secondary, going up against a one dimensional offense led by a QB who threw half of his seasons picks against us!

That's not OMG they were one play away from losing, that's asking the Niners to pull off a fracking MIRACLE!
Any way you slice it, looking as objectively as possible, there was almost zero chance they were going to score there. It would have been the miracle in Seattle if they had pulled that off.

The ONLY reason the media (and some fans) have painted it as OMG just one play away, is because between the 20's the Niners were moving the ball in their two minute offense....BIG DEAL! EVERY team moves the ball between the 20's in their two minute offense! The freakin Jaguars move the ball between the 20's in their two minute offense.
That is utterly meaningless.
Now if the Niners had just been trying to get into field goal range, we would have played differently, but that's the way our defense ALWAYS operates when up by a touchdown...keep everything in front of you, wait for them to make a mistake then pounce
The question isn't whether they were moving the ball, it's whether they ever had a realistic chance to punch the ball in for a touchdown, led by a QB who was historically horrible against us, (5 int's out of 10 against the Seahawks) without a run game, going against the leagues best secondary, the leagues best scoring defense....and somehow we're supposed to believe that it was so squeaky close because they were "one play away"?
BAH!

[PasadenaHawk]

Agree with Monkey on this. I don't think it would have taken a miracle for SF to take the lead, but it sure as sh*t would have been a long shot and a huge upset. Media paints it as a 'one play away from losing' scenario

[EntiatHawk]

This is why being up by 9 points is way more fun ; ) Miracles do happen like in the Arizona game. But Monkey is correct this is what this defense is built for. Make you make that miracle play or game over.

[Eaglehawk]

We were one play from losing the game. And that play was a touchdown. You can miracle it any way you want guys, but the facts are the facts. PERIOD.

I just don't see it through the rose colored glasses Monkey does. I.e. I'm a bit of a realist. And yes, thank god for Sherman and our D.

[monkey]

We were one play from losing the game. And that play was a touchdown. You can miracle it any way you want guys, but the facts are the facts. PERIOD.

I just don't see it through the rose colored glasses Monkey does. I.e. I'm a bit of a realist. And yes, thank god for Sherman and our D.

So then, going by your same exact measure, we were one play away from winning every game we lost this year...heck, since we've never lost by more than a touchdown since Wilson arrived, we've been one play away from winning out our entire schedule the last two years including playoffs.
Cool.
Guess I'll be a realist too.

Sheesh, just a few years ago people were all yelling at me for being so negative.

[kalibane]

So then, going by your same exact measure, we were one play away from winning every game we lost this year...heck, since we've never lost by more than a touchdown since Wilson arrived, we've been one play away from winning out our entire schedule the last two years including playoffs.
Cool.
Guess I'll be a realist too.

Sheesh, just a few years ago people were all yelling at me for being so negative.

It's been fascinating seeing some of the same people who were all "In Ruskell We Trust" and mad at others pointing limitations of guys like Bobby Engram and a declining Hass now seem to question Pete Carroll and John Schneider's roster building strategy and are embelishing the chances of the 49ers at the end of that game.

Worrying about Sherman giving up a TD on that pattern against that WR is like worrying that a game is going to end because Walter Jones might give up a sack to Greg Ellis.

Were they technically one play away? Yeah .. just like technically all football players are one play away from a career ending injury.

[monkey]

So then, going by your same exact measure, we were one play away from winning every game we lost this year...heck, since we've never lost by more than a touchdown since Wilson arrived, we've been one play away from winning out our entire schedule the last two years including playoffs.
Cool.
Guess I'll be a realist too.

Sheesh, just a few years ago people were all yelling at me for being so negative.

It's been fascinating seeing some of the same people who were all "In Ruskell We Trust" and mad at others pointing limitations of guys like Bobby Engram and a declining Hass now seem to question Pete Carroll and John Schneider's roster building strategy and are embelishing the chances of the 49ers at the end of that game.

Worrying about Sherman giving up a TD on that pattern against that WR is like worrying that a game is going to end because Walter Jones might give up a sack to Greg Ellis.

Were they technically one play away? Yeah .. just like technically all football players are one play away from a career ending injury.

Exactly!

[Eaglehawk]

No one is embellishing Jacksht.

It is what it is. We were one play(touchdown) from losing that game.

And but not for Sherman we would have lost. Has nothing to do with attitude. Or negativism. I'm the most positive guy on here. You should check out my silly threads on OFF TOPIC.

I just think its disingenuous to not be honest about how that game shook out.

Don't be a sucker guys, and try to mischaracterize me as questioning PC's decisions etc.

Stick to the facts. We were one play from losing that SFO game. And it must irk some of you that I am 100 percent right. And there is nothing you can say or do that will change my characterization of that game.

HAHA, Monkey, I never called you negative back in the day! I certainly am not. I just see both sides of the coin that's all. Doesn't make me any more or less of a fan.
Don't start ganging up on me now.

Its funny to think of all of us as prisoners in a prison yard with you all circling me. Its the off season, we are all hawk fans, PERIOD. Don't start inventing stuff now.
Stick to the facts and I will argue with you till we both are blue in the face. But I can't see anyone changing my opinion on this one.

[NorthHawk]

No one is embellishing Jacksht.

It is what it is. We were one play(touchdown) from losing that game.

And but not for Sherman we would have lost. Has nothing to do with attitude. Or negativism. I'm the most positive guy on here. You should check out my silly threads on OFF TOPIC.

I just think its disingenuous to not be honest about how that game shook out.

Don't be a sucker guys, and try to mischaracterize me as questioning PC's decisions etc.

Stick to the facts. We were one play from losing that SFO game. And it must irk some of you that I am 100 percent right. And there is nothing you can say or do that will change my characterization of that game.

HAHA, Monkey, I never called you negative back in the day! I certainly am not. I just see both sides of the coin that's all. Doesn't make me any more or less of a fan.
Don't start ganging up on me now.

Its funny to think of all of us as prisoners in a prison yard with you all circling me. Its the off season, we are all hawk fans, PERIOD. Don't start inventing stuff now.
Stick to the facts and I will argue with you till we both are blue in the face. But I can't see anyone changing my opinion on this one.

I think technically you are correct. There are a couple of ways we could have lost - a bigger shove from Crabtree on Sherman and not called by the refs or a stumble by Sherm so as to limit his leap, not to mention just knocking it down and giving SF another chance to turn the ball over.
In any event, the pass was ill conceived at best and a very low percentage play on the 49ers part. I read that into what people are saying.

[kalibane]

If the play resulted in an incompletion instead of a interception or a TD than we would technichally have been two plays away from losing though.

That's why clinging to this technicality like it was a razor thin outcome seems foolish to me.

[Eaglehawk]

No one is embellishing Jacksht.

It is what it is. We were one play(touchdown) from losing that game.

And but not for Sherman we would have lost. Has nothing to do with attitude. Or negativism. I'm the most positive guy on here. You should check out my silly threads on OFF TOPIC.

I just think its disingenuous to not be honest about how that game shook out.

Don't be a sucker guys, and try to mischaracterize me as questioning PC's decisions etc.

Stick to the facts. We were one play from losing that SFO game. And it must irk some of you that I am 100 percent right. And there is nothing you can say or do that will change my characterization of that game.

HAHA, Monkey, I never called you negative back in the day! I certainly am not. I just see both sides of the coin that's all. Doesn't make me any more or less of a fan.
Don't start ganging up on me now.

Its funny to think of all of us as prisoners in a prison yard with you all circling me. Its the off season, we are all hawk fans, PERIOD. Don't start inventing stuff now.
Stick to the facts and I will argue with you till we both are blue in the face. But I can't see anyone changing my opinion on this one.

I think technically you are correct. There are a couple of ways we could have lost - a bigger shove from Crabtree on Sherman and not called by the refs or a stumble by Sherm so as to limit his leap, not to mention just knocking it down and giving SF another chance to turn the ball over.
In any event, the pass was ill conceived at best and a very low percentage play on the 49ers part. I read that into what people are saying.

THANKS NH! I agree with your analysis as well, now that I look over what people said, looks as if that is what they were talking about as well. Again, thanks.

[RiverDog]

I have to say this...when a team has a six point lead, in the fourth quarter with time ticking away, it's not so desperate as "OMG they were one play away from losing".
Seriously...that's the media's slant on how we won.
My take is, we had a six point lead, with our defense on the field.
GAME OVER!

Me, too. A 6 point lead with under a minute to go and our defense playing in front of the 12th man? I'll take those odds every day of the week and twice on Sundays. I wasn't really all that concerned. What I was most worried about was the intervention of the football gods, some sort of freak play or something, like what nearly happened in the Saints game the week before. I had the same feeling in the first Rams game when that went went down to the last play.

[EntiatHawk]

Football can have a razor thin outcome. Though we were just one play from a loss we were still in the lead which is much better than being down 6 and having to make that play. If you look back at most of the great teams there will be those games. Usually the difference between the good teams and the very good teams are plays like that were the very good team makes the play.

In all honesty I think SF was the 2nd best team in the NFL last year so should we be surprised that the game played out the way it did. Even if we had lost would it been that much of a surprise? These two teams played toe to toe the last two games.