Hawktawk wrote:I consider you a friend too RD. Too bad we didn’t get the r v trip up to Mardon done . Now isn’t the time trust me![]()
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Aseahawkfan wrote:We know what this is and what it does at this point. It is under control.
Hawktawk wrote:It’s not under control. I follow it globally . It’s worse in China right now than anytime since the wuhan peak . Israel is on the 4th shot and still have infections although much lower mortality . It may never be over. But everyone including Covid zero holdouts like New Zealand and Australia are opening up and facing the consequences. On the other hand Russia population 140 million is losing well over 1 k lives a day despite being one of the earliest to develop a vaccine. Problem is only 35% have taken it . Putin declared a 14 day paid stay home holiday to try to flatten the curve .
It’s far from over .
Hawktawk wrote:My wife is 50 and is having quite a bit more trouble than I had. I feel as good as I have in years honestly and am off probation Friday. My wife has been symptomatic for 6 days and the last 3 has had hoarseness and congestion in her lungs. Not terrible but uncomfortable. She's recovering from a recent back surgery as well but she is a fit 50 year old non smoker with no co morbidities. Her vaccine with Pfizer was in Dec 20 and for whatever reason she was not approved for a booster despite being a medical caregiver.
But with what I've learned about this its all about viral load vs Immune system. I sat next to an unvaccinated infected man and I mean 2 feet away on a bench actively facing him and talking for 2 hours and had a break through. Quite mild. Last I heard he was at 103 degrees for days.
My wife who was not in that seating area but with a girlfriend was exposed for 4 days before realizing I was infected so a much higher viral load. But thank goodness I was vaccinated not only for me but for my spouse. Vaccinated break thought cases initially carry the same viral load as unvaxxed but it drops much faster. I remain concerned for my wife for sure. I've told her if she's not improving by today she needs to contact her primary again and get further instructions. scary.
Thanks . I’ve survived a lot already , head on collision , run over by a boat , heart attack , gi bleed . If this s*** gets me it’s my time .
Hawktawk wrote:It’s not under control. I follow it globally . It’s worse in China right now than anytime since the wuhan peak . Israel is on the 4th shot and still have infections although much lower mortality . It may never be over. But everyone including Covid zero holdouts like New Zealand and Australia are opening up and facing the consequences. On the other hand Russia population 140 million is losing well over 1 k lives a day despite being one of the earliest to develop a vaccine. Problem is only 35% have taken it . Putin declared a 14 day paid stay home holiday to try to flatten the curve .
It’s far from over .
Hawktawk wrote:I’ll update here what I posted on the Rodgers thread . My friend and co worker who is my age , unvaxed and almost certainly my source of infection has been hospitalized for 4 days now 12 days after his symptoms began . Paul is a fit healthy man who does not drink or smoke .
Vax works
RiverDog wrote:Speaking of which, how's your wife doing? She contracted Covid, too, didn't she?
Hawktawk wrote:Wife is definitely better last 24 hours . Lungs are clearing . Her double whammy was recovering from a back surgery when she got this stuff. I’m for boosters . It’s really not that unusual . Flu shots have to be tailored and given annually . With the aggressive infectious nature of this virus it makes perfect sense that boosters are needed . I trust science a lot more than Tucker Carlson or Joe Rogan
NorthHawk wrote:Those therapeutic pills might be a huge step in getting past this thing. One comment I heard however was that they are hard on the liver and kidneys so the person taking them might have life long effects.
Hawktawk wrote:I was infected with breakthrough Covid on Oct 22 by a friend and co worker . I wound up
Infecting my wife as I was almost asymptomatic . I did excellent . My wife was a little sick for a week. My friend Paul has been hospitalized since Oct 26 and was flown to Spokane to sacred heart on a ventilator last week. He’s my age . In better shape as a non drinking non smoking former MLPD captain . But I heard Paul call Covid the flu for 18 months and I’m certain he’s unvaxed . Just drew his first SS check , loves hot cars and bikes and owns both . He’s got a side by side so fast and he’s so crazy I refuse to ride with him . But he didn’t want the shot because he’s in that sub cult of a cult that hates Biden and Inslee so bad they won’t do what they want . It’s politics , not about freedom . I’m just praying for Paul , honesty even unvaxed this is a fit 62 year old man and I’m shocked by what it’s done. I hope he comes home but the odds aren’t good and he will almost certainly be very ill with lung damage if he does . Now here comes omicron. From another 8% vaxxed country . But Tucker Carlson will be on Faux demonizing Fauci and about 40% of Americans mostly trumpanzees will go uh huh and nod their heads . And we’re gonna do this over and over forever . The world has gone mad .
Hawktawk wrote:I was infected with breakthrough Covid on Oct 22 by a friend and co worker . I wound up
Infecting my wife as I was almost asymptomatic . I did excellent . My wife was a little sick for a week. My friend Paul has been hospitalized since Oct 26 and was flown to Spokane to sacred heart on a ventilator last week. He’s my age . In better shape as a non drinking non smoking former MLPD captain . But I heard Paul call Covid the flu for 18 months and I’m certain he’s unvaxed . Just drew his first SS check , loves hot cars and bikes and owns both . He’s got a side by side so fast and he’s so crazy I refuse to ride with him . But he didn’t want the shot because he’s in that sub cult of a cult that hates Biden and Inslee so bad they won’t do what they want . It’s politics , not about freedom . I’m just praying for Paul , honesty even unvaxed this is a fit 62 year old man and I’m shocked by what it’s done. I hope he comes home but the odds aren’t good and he will almost certainly be very ill with lung damage if he does . Now here comes omicron. From another 8% vaxxed country . But Tucker Carlson will be on Faux demonizing Fauci and about 40% of Americans mostly trumpanzees will go uh huh and nod their heads . And we’re gonna do this over and over forever . The world has gone mad .
Aseahawkfan wrote:The only thing that will make the anti-vax or "You can't make me take the vaccine because freedom" is a much higher death rate. If we hit 1% or worse, that would start to make some of the hard heads change their minds. But that isn't likely to happen so they get to listen to alternative scientific takes that aren't at all in line with what we know about how to handle a viral outbreak.
I wish we would start sending more vaccines to under-vaccinated nations. If dumbass Americans don't want to take them, we could do more good vaccinating poorer nations who have plenty of citizens more than willing to give a vaccine a shot.
And people putting themselves at risk and the population at risk acts as a sort of Darwinian Mechanism for weeding out fools who don't want to use the medical tools available to them to limit their danger from a viral outbreak.
I give the fools I know the information. They can do what they want with it. I really don't care. A vaccine should work regardless of whether dumbasses around you don't want to use it.
RiverDog wrote:It's good to hear that you and the Mrs. are doing OK. I hope your friend improves.
We have been doing a little better on vaccinations as the mandates are working to some degree. The problem is that we're going to need booster shots to say ahead of the variants so there's going to be this question as to what qualifies as 'fully vaccinated.'
I agree completely with ASF about donating vaccines to the rest of the world, especially places like Africa. The problem is that it requires much more than just shipping them out on a FedEx plane. Most of Africa does not have the infrastructure in place to store the vaccines, get them into arms, and a data system to keep track of those that have been vaxxed.
The problem with the freedom anti vaxxers is that the death rate not only isn't high enough, the deaths aren't graphic enough. If people were staggering out of their homes, regurgatating their guts on their front lawn, it would scare the Devil out of them. But they all die inside the walls of a hospital.
RiverDog wrote:Over in another forum, I've been debating another poster over the JFK assassination and Oliver Stone's latest conspiracy venture when it occurred to me how things have changed. It used to be that liberals were the ones that embraced whacky conspiracy theories: The CIA shot Kennedy, the moon landings were faked, Clinton was the victim of a "vast right wing conspiracy", 9/11 was an inside job, George Bush blew up the levees during Katrina. Those were promoted mostly by liberals.
Now things have flipped. Today it's the far right that has wrapped their arms around loony conspiracies: Covid is a hoax, Trump won the election, the Democrats are operating a pedophile ring.
I don't want to be too critical of trents as I would love to see him come in here and debate us, but I, too, was a little taken back when he started talking about various documents supporting freedom of choice yet he failed to use the most important document, the Constitution/Bill of Rights. There is nothing in the Constitution that prevents the government from mandating a vaccine, to the contrary, it's been mandated for over 100 years, in schools, the military, and various employers. And as far as religious exemptions go, they're not a valid reason, either. The only reason they're being used in this situation is that it makes them more palatable to the courts and easier to implement, a kinder, gentler approach. The Supreme Court ruled over 100 years ago that religious objections were not a valid reason for refusing a vaccine during a declared emergency.
So yeah, this Covid thing isn't going away. Since we can't get enough people inoculated, it's going to continue to mutate, we'll have to be getting booster shots every 6-12 months, hospitals will continue to see surges. We'll be fighting with ourselves over vaccine and mask wearing mandates for the foreseeable future.
Aseahawkfan wrote:I don't think it's flipped. I know plenty of Democratic voters who still believe in conspiracy theories and were afraid to take the vaccine because corporations made it. Look at the minority communities who normally vote for Democrats who are resisting the vaccine. Butt he left wing press downplays the minority communities vaccine resistance because they are one of their voting blocs. The left wing press has an angle to attack the right with by making them appear as the whacky conspiracy nuts, so they're doing it. But the same old whacky left wing nuts believing in secret corporate evil, the CIA is terrible bad, and UFOs are real and have already landed are still there. They don't get as much play in the press as the ratings are currently great selling anti-vax conspiracy theories and either attacking or supporting Trump for ratings. Like I said in the other thread, we are a media manipulated group as a whole, all sides of the political aisle and the nooks and crannies too. In China they don't have enough free information, whereas in America we have too much so you can pick and choose who or what to believe like you're picking groceries in the grocery store.
Let's just say the left likes to hide their anti-vax conspiracy nuts because it would be bad for their vote count.
RiverDog wrote:You have a good point about the minority community's anti vaxxers and the liberals not wanting to talk about them. But at least some of black American's concerns are somewhat understandable as they are rooted in the government's past abuses of them, such as in the Tuskegee experiments.
Personally, I think that, in general, that the common thread in all of the anti vaxxers is intelligence and/or education. People do not know how to process information, separate the wheat from the chaff, so they default to neutral, ie don't do anything.
But to the conspiracies...it's only been recently that the right has embraced these zany conspiracy theories. It used to be the private domain of liberals.
Aseahawkfan wrote:The Tuskegee Experiments were decades ago.
Aseahawkfan wrote:The right wing conspiracy organizations have been around for a long time. Men like Rush Limbaugh built their career selling right wing nonsense for decades. The militias during the 90s were based on right wing conspiracy theory and that fueled an attack like the Oklahoma City bombing. The term Deep State have been pushed by the libertarian right for decades now. I've been listening to these loons for more than 30 years now.
Trump was the first candidate elected by the right conspiracy theory nuts that form the libertarian party. So maybe that is why it seems new to you. The right wing conspiracy nuts have been around for ages pushing things like The Great Replacement where minorities replace the white man as the dominant group, Democrats as socialists in league with other nations, and attacking even other Republicans for their globalist goals and ties that are selling America out for rule of the world. They been around a long time. Maybe you aren't used to the left wing press pushing these people to the forefront like they have done during Trump, but they were there before Trump won. It just rarely made it to the press because the Republican Party was good at hiding their loonies until it has reached the point where they are becoming a far bigger force in the Republican Party.
RiverDog wrote:But it's never been in the mainstream conservatives like it is now. There are more conservatives that believe in this crap than ever before. Some of that is due to Trump's stranglehold on them, but whatever it is, there's definitely a lot more lunatics promoting this nonsense than I can ever remember.
RiverDog wrote:But it's never been in the mainstream conservatives like it is now. There are more conservatives that believe in this crap than ever before. Some of that is due to Trump's stranglehold on them, but whatever it is, there's definitely a lot more lunatics promoting this nonsense than I can ever remember.
Aseahawkfan wrote:What do you think of Marjorie Taylor Greene?
RiverDog wrote:You ought to ask Hawktalk what he thinks of her. He could come up with a lot more funnier superlatives than I can.
IMO she's a lunatic.
NorthHawk wrote:Didn’t the Democratic candidate drop out leaving her uncontested?
NorthHawk wrote:Didn’t the Democratic candidate drop out leaving her uncontested?
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