jshawaii22 wrote:https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/report-michigan-staffer-bought-tickets-for-games-at-11-big-ten-schools
If you all remember, this is the type of BS from the NCAA that "caused" Pete to leave SC and come here. Most coaches, especially at this level don't want to deal with this ah-ha moment. I'll take a swing that Harbaugh comes back to the NFL next year. If I remember, he's on a short leash contract with Michigan because of another violation.
So the question begs, would he be a good replacement for Pete? We've had the discussion before that only Pete will make his own decision, but that would be interesting. Pete to move up to "President of Football Operations" and have Harbaugh come in to replace him. I like it. I'm ready for some new blood in the organization.
Aseahawkfan wrote:I don't know that Harbaugh is that crappy a person myself. Seems to me if you're a guy that doesn't buy into the mainstream narrative, someone out there tries to destroy you. For me I ask myself: Does Harbaugh take care of his family? Does he take care of his players? Does he help in his community?
Harbaugh checks those boxes. Saying some off the wall stuff is the least of my worries.
I think a public personality can be crafted to fit whatever narrative by those for and against, so I prefer to cut through the crap and check for actual wrongdoing or immoral behavior like abandoning your kids, drub abuse, domestic violence, and other more important, objectively bad behaviors.
At this point, it's a moot point. No rumors of him coming here and as far as we know the owner group and FO are good with Pete. I'm sure someone else will take a shot on Harbaugh if he wins a National Championship or gets there. Probably won't be us.
I wouldn't mind seeing another Super Bowl. I'm also getting old and care about other things a whole lot more.
I know I would have no problem with Harbaugh taking another shot here. I think he's a great coach, very driven. I like seeing my team led by a driven coach looking to compete and win like when Pete first got here and had that fire with no attachment to players or anything else. Just win and churn the roster until he found the people to do so.
jshawaii22 wrote:https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/report-michigan-staffer-bought-tickets-for-games-at-11-big-ten-schools
If you all remember, this is the type of BS from the NCAA that "caused" Pete to leave SC and come here. Most coaches, especially at this level don't want to deal with this ah-ha moment. I'll take a swing that Harbaugh comes back to the NFL next year. If I remember, he's on a short leash contract with Michigan because of another violation.
So the question begs, would he be a good replacement for Pete? We've had the discussion before that only Pete will make his own decision, but that would be interesting. Pete to move up to "President of Football Operations" and have Harbaugh come in to replace him. I like it. I'm ready for some new blood in the organization.
jshawaii22 wrote:RD, Pete had about 10 years between his first stint in the NFL as a failed HC and the Seahawks job, so why would Harbaugh not be able to succeed? Just like when Pete came here, his knowledge of all thinks college certainly helped us in the draft. Pete knew all the incoming and many first and second year players from college. So would Harbaugh!
jshawaii22 wrote:Is Harbaugh currently 'disliked' by the media in general? I don't remember any big issues with him at press conferences. Just like with the 49'ers, it seems Jim's biggest issues are with upper management, not his coaches or players. I think his players like him. He wouldn't be able to compete with Ohio State, and the rest of the college scene if he can't recruit (and I don't know how much NIL $$$ he carries in his attaché case when he meets with the players, but I'm sure Michigan fans take care of that for him) and he sure seems to be getting good players this last few years.
Where ever he goes, if he does choose the NFL, I'll bet the team improves under him, as he has every where he has gone.
RD, Pete had about 10 years between his first stint in the NFL as a failed HC and the Seahawks job, so why would Harbaugh not be able to succeed? Just like when Pete came here, his knowledge of all thinks college certainly helped us in the draft. Pete knew all the incoming and many first and second year players from college. So would Harbaugh!
Aseahawkfan wrote:I know Riverdog don't like him, but he didn't like Pete initially either. I remember all the times RD called Pete "mealy-mouthed" and quite a few Seattle fans called him a cheater due to the NCAA stuff even though I view the NCAA as one of the most unethical organizations in sports. Like we don't all clearly see college coaches getting paid millions and college football basically the NFL's farm league with all associated financial benefits. The NCAA acting like some high and mighty moral organizastion while college's make millions off college ball is a joke to me. All I see is big universities are Triple A farm league and smaller universities are double A or lower that occasionally produce NFL quality players. The majority of NFL players come from big college programs with million dollar coaches, great facilities, and big TV deals that sell a ton of merchandise.
So any NCAA accusations mean next to nothing to me for a college coach. I want a guy that can transition to win. I watch football to see a competitive, driven team. I don't watch much if they're losing all the time. As I get older, I'd just as soon no watch some garbage team that can't compete over and over again. That gets tiresome. So if Pete leaves, I want a proven winner so I can stay interested in football and not feel like I'm wasting my time.
But does the fact that I was wrong on Pete mean that I'm also wrong on Harbaugh?
NorthHawk wrote:At some point, probably nearer than we think, Pete will not be coaching the Seahawks. It may be his choice or it may be a new owner who wants his own people in place, but at 72, Pete's time is drawing near.
So, who would people like to replace him?
As we need a young QBOTF, I would like a good Offensive HC to develop that QB properly and allow him to be able to be the best with the special talents that got him to the NFL.
So if you look at the best QBs in the league, with a couple of exceptions, they were all developed by an Offensive HC. Mahomes, Burrow, Lawrence (still developing), Tua, and Hurts benefited from a HC that understands and is committed to
good Offense and QB play. The exceptions would be Allen in Buffalo, and Herbert of the Chargers.
Eric Bieniemy might be a good possibility. He has been overlooked for a long time and is now finally getting a chance to get out from under Andy Reid's shadow. He doesn't have a lot to work with in Washington, but he's beginning to develop
Sam Howell even with his probable limited upside. I'm not sure there are many others ready to take that step from NFL OC to HC and the spectre of the debacle in Denver looms large. So we will have to look at the College ranks to get some more candidates. With that in mind, Harbaugh should be one HC in consideration if he wants to come back to the NFL.
RiverDog wrote:The NCAA accusations about Harbaugh means next to nothing to me, and I have not mentioned a single word about them in my comments about him. I didn't want him before this current scandal.
Absolutely true about my feeling about Pete prior to us hiring him. I thought that he was getting out of Dodge at USC before the hammer fell, that he was coming to our team for the wrong reasons. I also considered him more of a college coach, and we all know the miserable track record that college coaches have in the NFL. I also didn't like the fact that he was peddling a book, his catchy cliches, etc. I had the impression that he was full of himself. I also thought that since he had been fired in two previous NFL jobs, that he wasn't likely to produce results in his 3rd attempt. There were lots of things that I didn't like about Pete, both tangible, undeniable facts and intangible, emotional impressions. I was dead wrong.
But does the fact that I was wrong on Pete mean that I'm also wrong on Harbaugh?
c_hawkbob wrote:Probably.
Seriously though, the last thing I would want here is Hairball as HC.
NorthHawk wrote:At some point, probably nearer than we think, Pete will not be coaching the Seahawks. It may be his choice or it may be a new owner who wants his own people in place, but at 72, Pete's time is drawing near.
So, who would people like to replace him?
As we need a young QBOTF, I would like a good Offensive HC to develop that QB properly and allow him to be able to be the best with the special talents that got him to the NFL.
So if you look at the best QBs in the league, with a couple of exceptions, they were all developed by an Offensive HC. Mahomes, Burrow, Lawrence (still developing), Tua, and Hurts benefited from a HC that understands and is committed to
good Offense and QB play. The exceptions would be Allen in Buffalo, and Herbert of the Chargers.
Eric Bieniemy might be a good possibility. He has been overlooked for a long time and is now finally getting a chance to get out from under Andy Reid's shadow. He doesn't have a lot to work with in Washington, but he's beginning to develop
Sam Howell even with his probable limited upside. I'm not sure there are many others ready to take that step from NFL OC to HC and the spectre of the debacle in Denver looms large. So we will have to look at the College ranks to get some more candidates. With that in mind, Harbaugh should be one HC in consideration if he wants to come back to the NFL.
Aseahawkfan wrote:You don't think Harbaugh can develop a QB? You didn't like Andrew Luck or how much production he got out of Colin K?
Aseahawkfan wrote:When you paint a guy as leaving Frisco in shambles after the GM fired him, when that HC went to three straight Conference Championships and one Super Bowl in his first tenure as an NFL head coach with Colin K, who isn't even in the league any more as his starting QB, I think yeah, there is evidence you're viewpoint is wrong.
It's like you went, "All those conference championship trips and that Super Bowl were just luck and it was the 8 and 8 year that was the real Harbaugh." That is a pretty obvious bias on your part, especially for a guy that likes production.
Pete's record was way worse when he first took over and I think you way oversold how terrible Pete was. Now you're overselling Harbaugh's negative tenure as head coach because you don't like him. Sheesh, if you didn't know the guy at all and you had a guy taking over that had taken his team to three straight conference championship games and one Super Bowl in 4 years of coaching, I'd think you'd be pretty happy to give that guy a shot at taking Seattle somewhere.
It wasn't like Harbaugh took over a playoff team and made them worse. He took over a team that hadn't seen the playoffs for eight years, since Steve Mariucci was their coach. Then made them Super Bowl competitors immediately. You don't see that happen too often. I like to be a competitive Super Bowl team.
Harbaugh is also good with QBs. He developed Andrew Luck. He developed Colin K who did his best work under Harbaugh.
I freely admit the guy is a big crazy and intense. But he produces. He knows how to develop QBS. He knows how to build an offense. He wants to win a Super Bowl bad, real bad and I think he can do it in the right circumstances.
Vegaseahawk wrote:Pete Carroll isn't going anywhere anytime soon. He's running up & down the sidelines like a 12-year-old kid having the time of his life. Ownership loves him. The PC/JS marriage is a thing of beauty. Sorry folks, Pete Carroll will be coaching the Seahawks for at least 8-10 more years, IMHO.
Vegaseahawk wrote:OK, he's 72. Let me adjust my prediction to 5-8 more years. If anyone could pull it off, he can.
jshawaii22 wrote:" Negotiated Settlement"... evidently the Uof M didn't get the message as they filed for a TRO with a local Michigan court to have the suspension kaboshed. If he's on the sidelines, UofM rousted some judge to come in on Saturday to do the deed for them.
However, it was pretty low of the conference to give the suspension on a holiday.
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/michigan-seeks-tro-to-block-jim-harbaugh-suspension
He's going to be some teams NFL coach next year.
jshawaii22 wrote:" Negotiated Settlement"... evidently the Uof M didn't get the message as they filed for a TRO with a local Michigan court to have the suspension kaboshed. If he's on the sidelines, UofM rousted some judge to come in on Saturday to do the deed for them.
However, it was pretty low of the conference to give the suspension on a holiday.
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/michigan-seeks-tro-to-block-jim-harbaugh-suspension
He's going to be some teams NFL coach next year.
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