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by **Spohawk5092** » Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:14 am

sounds good to me! Make it so!

https://fanrumor.com/report-alabamas-re ... 5b9a2c6e50

by **RiverDog** » Fri Feb 02, 2024 3:14 pm

Sorry, I can't get excited about this one, not because I don't think he's a good candidate, but I don't follow CFB closely enough to know anything about him other than he was the Huskies' OC.

by **Aseahawkfan** » Fri Feb 02, 2024 3:56 pm

RiverDog wrote:Sorry, I can't get excited about this one, not because I don't think he's a good candidate, but I don't follow CFB closely enough to know anything about him other than he was the Huskies' OC.

We know how Husky fans way overestimate players and coaches that are local.

Maybe he can do the job, but who knows. I'd prefer an NFL OC myself, but if John and Mike think a college guy is good, then I guess we roll with it.

by **curmudgeon** » Fri Feb 02, 2024 4:09 pm

Leslie Frazier hired as assistant head coach……

by **RiverDog** » Fri Feb 02, 2024 7:21 pm

RiverDog wrote:Sorry, I can't get excited about this one, not because I don't think he's a good candidate, but I don't follow CFB closely enough to know anything about him other than he was the Huskies' OC.

Aseahawkfan wrote:We know how Husky fans way overestimate players and coaches that are local.

Gosh, remember back in the old PI forum and all the hoop-la regarding Jake Locker? It was a true case of love being blind.

Aseahawkfan wrote:Maybe he can do the job, but who knows. I'd prefer an NFL OC myself, but if John and Mike think a college guy is good, then I guess we roll with it.

That's exactly how I feel. Although I don't object to a college OC as much as I would a college HC, I would prefer that we find a competent quarterback coach to be our next OC. However, I'll default to JS and Mac's judgement until proven otherwise.

by **Agent 86** » Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:05 pm

curmudgeon wrote:Leslie Frazier hired as assistant head coach……

https://www.fieldgulls.com/2024/2/2/24059908/report-seahawks-hiring-former-bills-defensive-coordinator-leslie-frazier-nfl-news

by **RiverDog** » Sat Feb 03, 2024 3:52 am

curmudgeon wrote:Leslie Frazier hired as assistant head coach……

Agent 86 wrote:https://www.fieldgulls.com/2024/2/2/24059908/report-seahawks-hiring-former-bills-defensive-coordinator-leslie-frazier-nfl-news

I hadn't heard Leslie Frazier's name in quite some time. It's a big plus to have one of his mentors nearby.

Besides, just think of all the Percy Harvin stories that Frazier and Pete can regale Macdonald with.

by **mykc14** » Sat Feb 03, 2024 10:20 am

curmudgeon wrote:Leslie Frazier hired as assistant head coach……

That's a great hire. Getting a former head coach as his defensive coordinator is such a great idea. I really like this. Now let's get the right OC and this could be a grand slam!!

by **Agent 86** » Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:41 am

mykc14 wrote:That's a great hire. Getting a former head coach as his defensive coordinator is such a great idea. I really like this. Now let's get the right OC and this could be a grand slam!!

I actually think they specified that Frazier was strictly an assistant head coach, and not the DC. I believe a DC is still in the works?

by **Aseahawkfan** » Sat Feb 03, 2024 3:52 pm

I don't really understand the Frazier hire. Not sure why he will be here. Seems like maybe a Pete behind the scenes hire. I guess we'll see how it works out, but I've never heard of these kind of "mentor" for a new young head coach situations work out other than theoretically. The head coach either knows what he's doing or he's got problems right out the gate. NFL is an unforgiving place and no tolerance for learning on the job as head coach. You either come in ready to roll or you're going to be hurting soon.

by **RiverDog** » Sat Feb 03, 2024 8:21 pm

mykc14 wrote:That's a great hire. Getting a former head coach as his defensive coordinator is such a great idea. I really like this. Now let's get the right OC and this could be a grand slam!!

Agent 86 wrote:I actually think they specified that Frazier was strictly an assistant head coach, and not the DC. I believe a DC is still in the works?

Yeah, all I can find is that he's been hired as an assistant head coach. No mention of him being the DC.

by **mykc14** » Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:17 am

Aseahawkfan wrote:I don't really understand the Frazier hire. Not sure why he will be here. Seems like maybe a Pete behind the scenes hire. I guess we'll see how it works out, but I've never heard of these kind of "mentor" for a new young head coach situations work out other than theoretically. The head coach either knows what he's doing or he's got problems right out the gate. NFL is an unforgiving place and no tolerance for learning on the job as head coach. You either come in ready to roll or you're going to be hurting soon.

Interesting.... I could see Frazier being a great asset. I do t agree with the idea that the "head coach either knows what he is doing or he's got problems." I think it's smart to hire a mentor for a young head coach. Get somebody on staff who has experience it all before!! It seems like he is leaning towards hiring young at th r OC position so defense is important!!!

by **RiverDog** » Sun Feb 04, 2024 4:37 am

Aseahawkfan wrote:I don't really understand the Frazier hire. Not sure why he will be here. Seems like maybe a Pete behind the scenes hire. I guess we'll see how it works out, but I've never heard of these kind of "mentor" for a new young head coach situations work out other than theoretically. The head coach either knows what he's doing or he's got problems right out the gate. NFL is an unforgiving place and no tolerance for learning on the job as head coach. You either come in ready to roll or you're going to be hurting soon.

mykc14 wrote:Interesting.... I could see Frazier being a great asset. I do t agree with the idea that the "head coach either knows what he is doing or he's got problems." I think it's smart to hire a mentor for a young head coach. Get somebody on staff who has experience it all before!! It seems like he is leaning towards hiring young at th r OC position so defense is important!!!

One of the things where I think Frazier will be of great value is in assembling a staff. Frazier has been around a long time and has a lot of contacts he's made over the course of several decades worth of being in the league. He knows who's going to fit Mac's vision of the team he wants to put together. He'll also be nice to have in the war room as they're deciding who to draft.

by **Oly** » Sun Feb 04, 2024 10:41 am

RiverDog wrote:One of the things where I think Frazier will be of great value is in assembling a staff. Frazier has been around a long time and has a lot of contacts he's made over the course of several decades worth of being in the league. He knows who's going to fit Mac's vision of the team he wants to put together. He'll also be nice to have in the war room as they're deciding who to draft.

This was my thought exactly. Macdonald is so new that he doesn't have good contacts, and my only concern with the hire was assembling a staff. I don't think it's as easy as JS just giving Macdonald his Rolodex; coaches are tribal and want to work with people they know. I thought that they were hoping that by actually hiring Frazier instead of putting him in a ceremonial role, he'd be better able to reach out with people and tell them that they'd be working with him directly.

by **RiverDog** » Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:29 pm

RiverDog wrote:One of the things where I think Frazier will be of great value is in assembling a staff. Frazier has been around a long time and has a lot of contacts he's made over the course of several decades worth of being in the league. He knows who's going to fit Mac's vision of the team he wants to put together. He'll also be nice to have in the war room as they're deciding who to draft.

Oly wrote:This was my thought exactly. Macdonald is so new that he doesn't have good contacts, and my only concern with the hire was assembling a staff. I don't think it's as easy as JS just giving Macdonald his Rolodex; coaches are tribal and want to work with people they know. I thought that they were hoping that by actually hiring Frazier instead of putting him in a ceremonial role, he'd be better able to reach out with people and tell them that they'd be working with him directly.

There's also the possibility that some assistant coaches around the league might have a bit of a generational or age bias to them.."I ain't taking orders from some snot nosed kid!"...as I was once told a few decades ago. Having the 64-year-old Frazier on the staff gives it some gravitas.

by **Aseahawkfan** » Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:26 pm

I don't see it. Frazier is a very strange hire. The man left Buffalo for some reason and was looking for a head coach position after taking a year off. Now he's going to be a subordinate to the youngest coach in the NFL? It's an odd hiring. I guess I'd have to know what kind of relationship he has with John because this seems strange.

by **Stream Hawk** » Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:37 pm

He has a relationship with Mike. He chose Seattle over ~3 other teams. I think it’s a fine hire. There’s plenty more but there’s nothing wrong with hiring a well-respected defensive coach.

by **Aseahawkfan** » Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:00 pm

Stream Hawk wrote:He has a relationship with Mike. He chose Seattle over ~3 other teams. I think it’s a fine hire. There’s plenty more but there’s nothing wrong with hiring a well-respected defensive coach.

I see. Baltimore Ravens in 2016 they worked together. So they have a relationship.

by **Agent 86** » Sun Feb 04, 2024 4:40 pm

Aseahawkfan wrote:I don't see it. Frazier is a very strange hire. The man left Buffalo for some reason and was looking for a head coach position after taking a year off. Now he's going to be a subordinate to the youngest coach in the NFL? It's an odd hiring. I guess I'd have to know what kind of relationship he has with John because this seems strange.

Frazier, 64, is a former NFL player and is a longtime coach, including a three-year stint as head coach in Minnesota.

Frazier most recently was defensive coordinator with the Buffalo Bills, a job he held from 2017-22.

Macdonald and Frazier have worked together in the past. In 2016, Frazier was Baltimore’s secondary coach. Macdonald was in his third year with the Ravens, and that year he was a defensive assistant.

NFL Network’s Tom Pelissero was first to report the move, and he said that Frazier “has long been a mentor” to Macdonald.

CBS Sports’ Josina Anderson said she spoke to Frazier about joining the Seahawks, and he told her he had offers from four jobs but chose Seattle because of his relationship with Macdonald.

by **RiverDog** » Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:59 pm

Aseahawkfan wrote:I don't see it. Frazier is a very strange hire. The man left Buffalo for some reason and was looking for a head coach position after taking a year off. Now he's going to be a subordinate to the youngest coach in the NFL? It's an odd hiring. I guess I'd have to know what kind of relationship he has with John because this seems strange.

You're the only one who I've heard say that this is a strange hire, and that includes other venues besides this one. It makes perfect sense to me, both from Frazier's POV as well as Macdonald's.

And unless you're referring to an organizational pyramid, I wouldn't characterize their relationship as superior and subordinate. I don't care what profession you're in, a 36-year-old doesn't give "orders" in the conventional sense to a 64-year-old. Treating them as such is likely to draw a middle finger. It will be closer to a partnership.

by **Aseahawkfan** » Mon Feb 05, 2024 12:56 am

I really want a good D-line coach or former D-line as D-coordinator.

by **RiverDog** » Mon Feb 05, 2024 4:55 am

Aseahawkfan wrote:I really want a good D-line coach or former D-line as D-coordinator.

With Macdonald and Frazier in the house, the D coordinator is less important than it would be otherwise. The biggest hire is going to be the offensive coordinator.

by **Oly** » Mon Feb 05, 2024 7:18 am

Aseahawkfan wrote:I really want a good D-line coach or former D-line as D-coordinator.

RiverDog wrote:With Macdonald and Frazier in the house, the D coordinator is less important than it would be otherwise. The biggest hire is going to be the offensive coordinator.

While the OC will be the biggest hire, I think asea is absolutely right that whomever becomes the DC should have his coaching history with the line. Pete clearly built from the back, and when you have three HOF-level players in the back four, you can get away with that. But that's not the norm, and the Hawks have to focus on dominating the line of scrimmage and getting quick pressure with four linemen. Macdonald has even said that he wants to turn over defensive playcalling duties to the DC, and I want someone who thinks about the line first to be calling plays.

by **Agent 86** » Mon Feb 05, 2024 9:30 am

Here are the names I have heard about being in contention for each role:

OC:
Tanner Engstrand (Lions passing game coordinator)
Ryan Grubb (OC for Huskies/Bama)

DC:
Joe Cullen (Chiefs Defensive Line coach)

Cullen worked with Macdonald in Baltimore, he was the DL coach from 2016-20. He left Baltimore to be the DC for the Jaguars under Urban Meyer, so that flopped. He then got hired by the Chiefs. Apparently Michigan is also talking to him about their DC role, which he would obviously get to call the plays there whereas in Seattle he wouldn't, to start at least.

by **RiverDog** » Mon Feb 05, 2024 10:32 am

Agent 86 wrote:Here are the names I have heard about being in contention for each role:

OC:
Tanner Engstrand (Lions passing game coordinator)
Ryan Grubb (OC for Huskies/Bama)

DC:
Joe Cullen (Chiefs Defensive Line coach)

Cullen worked with Macdonald in Baltimore, he was the DL coach from 2016-20. He left Baltimore to be the DC for the Jaguars under Urban Meyer, so that flopped. He then got hired by the Chiefs. Apparently Michigan is also talking to him about their DC role, which he would obviously get to call the plays there whereas in Seattle he wouldn't, to start at least.

Even if it's for the NC Champs Michigan, a DC for an NFL team is going to provide a much better opportunity for career advancement than a DC of a college team. All other things being equal, I have a hard time believing he'd choose UM over the Hawks.

by **Aseahawkfan** » Mon Feb 05, 2024 10:49 am

RiverDog wrote:With Macdonald and Frazier in the house, the D coordinator is less important than it would be otherwise. The biggest hire is going to be the offensive coordinator.

One has nothing to do with the other. A good D-line coach to support two secondary coaches I think is very important. Legion of Boom really took the next step up when Dan Quinn was DC and he was a D-line specialist. When Quinn left, Pete never seemed to place much focus on D-line. I feel having a quality D-line is super important to a quality defense and secondary coaches seem to focus too much on pass coverage scheme. I feel a quality D-line coach as DC or as a coach is vital to a great defense.

by **c_hawkbob** » Mon Feb 05, 2024 11:45 am

IMO the LOB was about the players not the coaches. That group of players would have been great under almost any coaching staff.

by **RiverDog** » Mon Feb 05, 2024 7:31 pm

c_hawkbob wrote:IMO the LOB was about the players not the coaches. That group of players would have been great under almost any coaching staff.

Yeah, not too many people credit Dan Quinn for the formation of the LOB. The entire roster was there when he stepped in. I'd give more accolades to Gus Bradley than I would Quinn as he helped with the player acquisition.

But to my point. Since we now have both Leslie Frazier, a mentor to Macdonald, and Pete Carroll in the building, the hiring of a defensive coordinator is not nearly as important as who we bring in as our OC. That doesn't mean that I think who we name as DC is trivial.

by **c_hawkbob** » Sun Feb 11, 2024 2:41 pm

I don't know about irrelevant but Aden Durde is an interesting hire as DC. D-line coach for the last 3 years, which not surprisingly addresses our greatest defensive weakness. And Macdonald obviously doesn't want him for his play calling skills (yet) so he can concentrate on fixing what's broke while he develops as a coordinator.

by **Oly** » Sun Feb 11, 2024 2:52 pm

This poor Bama-centric YouTuber posted a phenomenal breakdown of Grubb's UW offense before the Hawks swooped in. It's super smart and the guy is hilarious.

https://youtu.be/oxbWSIspUVE?si=kqqs-3EoiG3O9pTr&t=454

by **RiverDog** » Sun Feb 11, 2024 3:18 pm

c_hawkbob wrote:I don't know about irrelevant but Aden Durde is an interesting hire as DC. D-line coach for the last 3 years, which not surprisingly addresses our greatest defensive weakness. And Macdonald obviously doesn't want him for his play calling skills (yet) so he can concentrate on fixing what's broke while he develops as a coordinator.

I don't know if any of us felt that the DC hiring was 'irrelevant.' The worst I said about it was that it didn't have the same degree of importance it would under normal circumstances.

I don't have any specific problems with any of Macdonald's hirings. Grubbs has yet to set foot in an NFL locker room either as a player or a coach, but I'm not sure how big of a factor that is in today's environment. I know that I wouldn't have liked that lack of experience at the professional level had it been the head coaching position, but OC? Might not be that big of a deal.

Some of my friends are expressing feelings like "jacked" "excited", "pumped", and so on, over the filling out of our new coaching staff. I'm not quite there yet. I'd characterize my sentiments as amused, cautiously optimistic, etc. I guess it corresponds with my natural tendency to temper my expectations so as not to be so hugely disappointed if it turns out to be a dud.

by **Aseahawkfan** » Mon Feb 12, 2024 12:25 pm

I figure the entire coaching staff is a complete surprise. OC with no NFL experience. DC with no DC experience. Former DC who has done well on the college and NFL level with no head coaching experience. Seems John is betting on a bunch of guys learning on the job quickly enough for him to keep his job.

by **Rambo2014** » Tue Feb 13, 2024 8:45 am

Have to agree on most

Hiring a staff from College and HS is a poor way to go and begs disaster

by **NorthHawk** » Mon Feb 19, 2024 10:51 am

I like the idea of them poaching Jake Peetz from the Rams as a passing game specialist.
Maybe he can help coach the players on the new WR responsibilities and help Grubb with the transition to the NFL.

by **jshawaii22** » Wed Feb 21, 2024 6:15 pm

Did we hire Grubb to draft Penix at 15? Seems a logical maybe, but maybe he would of taken "QB Coach" instead of OC.

My other thought is JS, with all those college hires, will try to get the Seahawks into the Big10 soon.l

On a serious note, I've seen 3 -4 articles from national sources that are giving us the #1 or #2 coach hire (Harbaugh is the other) -- with Quinn at 5 - 7, so you never know. I've give JS the benefit of the doubt for now, but we damn sure better bring in on of the top QB's in the draft.

by **RiverDog** » Wed Feb 21, 2024 7:52 pm

jshawaii22 wrote:Did we hire Grubb to draft Penix at 15? Seems a logical maybe, but maybe he would of taken "QB Coach" instead of OC.

My other thought is JS, with all those college hires, will try to get the Seahawks into the Big10 soon.l

On a serious note, I've seen 3 -4 articles from national sources that are giving us the #1 or #2 coach hire (Harbaugh is the other) -- with Quinn at 5 - 7, so you never know. I've give JS the benefit of the doubt for now, but we damn sure better bring in on of the top QB's in the draft.

Barring a trade, it looks like we'll be hanging onto Geno for at least another year, so I'd be surprised if we took a quarterback with our #1 pick. More so than Penix, the most common QB I've heard associated with us is JJ McCarthy of Michigan.

by **c_hawkbob** » Wed Feb 21, 2024 9:35 pm

Speaking of Seahawks coaches with ties to QB's in the draft we just hired Zak Hill, who was Jayden Daniels' QB coach and OC for the Sun Devils for a couple years.

I agree we're keeping Geno for now but I don't think that puts us out of the QB market in the draft. A new HC drafting a new QB is damn near a tradition in the NFL.

by **NorthHawk** » Wed Feb 21, 2024 10:04 pm

If I’m not mistaken, if we keep Geno this year then we owe him for next year, too so I would suspect something to change either by trade or trying to cut him and renegotiate his contract.
I suspect we will be more open to drafting a QBOTF this year than we have been under Carroll. If the right one is there, I suspect JS will pull the trigger. People automatically assume we will be interested in Penix because of Grubb, but they may have another QB in mind later than where Penix is currently expected to be selected.

by **jshawaii22** » Wed Feb 21, 2024 10:06 pm

Geno's 'cost' is just a little more then we paid Matt Flynn (taking inflation in) and look at what happened, so no, this is NOT the year to pass on a QB. There are many and if we don't draft one we're fools.
And just because we spend a first on a QB doesn't mean he couldn't sit behind Geno. See: Green Bay
Note that Drew Lock is a FA, so we need a b/u.

by **RiverDog** » Thu Feb 22, 2024 5:12 am

Thanks to Pete's perpetually mediocre teams, we're picking at #16 and with a slew of teams in the QB market, it's likely that all the decent ones will be gone by the time we pick, that is unless we sell the farm to trade up a handful of slots, which seldom works out (think Niners and Trey Lance). That would be a helluva gamble, and I don't think that JS would consent to such a radical move.

But we'll see. Having a QBOTF is going to be critical for Macdonald's success, and he knows that he's not going to have 6-8 years to start producing SB competitive teams.

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