LA Rams-Seattle game day thread

[The POPE]

ask anthony, i'm sure he has a stat for that

[HumanCockroach]

Would it kill Seattle to just once have a hot read?

[jshawaii22]

We're down by two with 10 minutes to go. Without looking I'll bet the RAms have more penalty yards then we do passing yards from Russell. Amazing the refs have done their best to keep us in the game.

[The POPE]

on side with 10 minutes left in a 2 point game...can you say STUPID. C'mon Pete

[Canuck2288]

Terrible call on the short kick. Killed momentum and don’t they know Janikowski’s awful success rate?

Carrol getting out coached again

Game has passed him by

[The POPE]

what happened to Davis?

[The POPE]

4-5, maybe next year

[HumanCockroach]

Sigh.... 2.5 seconds....

[Canuck2288]

This is on Pete

Idiot coaching call shifted the entire momentum

So hope he is gone at the end of the year

[burrrton]

4-5, maybe next year

This. Season over.

Russell has thrown *13* passes all day, and we're going to have given up 500 yards of offense to them.

[curmudgeon]

What’s the spread again?

[HumanCockroach]

Hurry up!

[HumanCockroach]

No urgency again.... this game is over. Did they forget they needed TWO scores for the second week in a row or something?

[The POPE]

Great, and now we will get to see one of the patented Janikowski on side kicks.
Maybe they should have Dickson try

[HumanCockroach]

Wtf

[HumanCockroach]

No reason there to scramble.... sigh...

[HumanCockroach]

Good lord... wilted...

[The POPE]

Russell done lost that loving feeling. Where did the magic go?

[HumanCockroach]

The best decision the last four plays.... the incompletion to Moore in the endzone.... sigh...

I was really hoping for a return to Russ 4th quarter magic....

[HumanCockroach]

I don't really understand. Russ' biggest issue, has been holding on to the ball, never giving up on a play or living to play another down early in games... ..then at the end of this game he's throwing the ball away without pressure, on third down there.... just weird.

[HumanCockroach]

The last game was against Houston last year ( at least with Seattle trailing).

They count Arizona, which seems odd because we never trailed, but that's how they break it down

[trents]

Mistakes, mistakes! What hurts is that was a very winnable game. If Pete ever asks Seabass to try an onside kick again he would need to be checked for dementia. We have got to get away from penalties. They are killing too many drives on offense and prolonging too many drives for the opponent.

[RiverDog]

Don't know how anyone can watch that last play and say they don't see Russ' hammy having an effect ...

Huh. And here I was thinking the exact opposite. How could anyone watch that game and see their quarterback carry the ball 9 times for nearly 100 yards and think he's hindered by a hamstring injury.

[Hawktawk]

It is what it is. After our last impressive loss to the Rams we fired off two very impressive wins. The vegas bettors who took seattle twice vs the Rams are overjoyed as they covered the 9 point spread with ease. Wilson played extremely well under duress rushing for nearly 100 yards on a twangy hamstring, going head first a couple of times. In the end he got caught up in between a decision to try to run ten yards on 4th down with a defender close by on his right or throw to an open receiver and he just missed. I saw plenty of magic, just not quite enough. Penney showed up big time BTW.

Don't have much time to mope with the Pack in town thursday night. If they lose that maybe it's time to think about next year but the pack offense isn't this freak show that Shawn McVeigh is calling on offense with the array of weapons and formations and counter motions and you friggin name it. I didn't know where the ball was half the time . The pack defense doesn't have a D9 bulldozer with 1200 horsepower and a ripper coming up the middle of the non existent pocket on obvious passing downs . Seattle went toe to toe and blow for blow with that for 8 quarters and Im damn proud.

I'm picking a win thursday right now. We gotta go 6-1 from here on out. Not necessarily likely but if they clean it up a little they can beat anyone..GO HAWKS!!!

[RiverDog]

Losing yesterday made the TNF game an almost must win if we are to make the playoffs, and even if we win, it's going to be an uphill struggle as we're looking at the meat of our schedule. Hawktalk is right, this isn't a typical Packer team. They can be had, especially on the road. We lose this game and we'll be looking down the barrel of a 6-10 season.

[politicalfootball]

Pete is our best hope now for anything positive to come up big next Sunday. Penny swapping time will be exciting we have a ground game not much else. We win , instant respect around the league. So buckle down it's going to be a long night here, pipe up if you know something. I like hawk talk what he had to say.

[c_hawkbob]

Don't know how anyone can watch that last play and say they don't see Russ' hammy having an effect ...

Huh. And here I was thinking the exact opposite. How could anyone watch that game and see their quarterback carry the ball 9 times for nearly 100 yards and think he's hindered by a hamstring injury.

I see what you did there.

But to address what you said, all those runs were relatively straight line (which is what Pete said he was still good with), there was not quick stop/start/sharp cut, ankle breaking spin moves etc. like we see from him when he is completely healthy.

And shame on you for using bare stats after your "lies, damn lies and then there's stats" mantra you so like to throw out there when the stats don't suit your talking point

[NorthHawk]

Doesn't running in a straight line put MORE stress on the Hamstring?
That's where most of the injuries happen - when runners are running hard.
I can't remember the last time I saw someone pull a Hamstring when cutting or dodging.
I've seen lots of groin or abductor type injuries doing that, but not as many Hamstrings.
Maybe it's just me being inobservant...

[RiverDog]

But to address what you said, all those runs were relatively straight line (which is what Pete said he was still good with), there was not quick stop/start/sharp cut, ankle breaking spin moves etc. like we see from him when he is completely healthy.

I dunno, I saw at least one spin move that he pulled. He also ran ahead of a runner a time or two to throw a block (if you can call what he does "blocking"), something that a person with a hamstring injury might not attempt. More so than any game this season, Russell made a conscious decision...and wise decisions, I might add, to tuck the ball and run.

And shame on you for using bare stats after your "lies, damn lies and then there's stats" mantra you so like to throw out there when the stats don't suit your talking point

Yea, I suppose I deserve that little poke. But my point wasn't so much about his accumulated stats as it was about his willingness to run the ball, perhaps twice as often as any game this season. We'll have to agree to disagree, but he does not look to me to be a person that his nursing a hamstring injury, or any other injury as far as that goes. I thought that he played with his balls out yesterday.

[Anthony]

Doesn't running in a straight line put MORE stress on the Hamstring?
That's where most of the injuries happen - when runners are running hard.
I can't remember the last time I saw someone pull a Hamstring when cutting or dodging.
I've seen lots of groin or abductor type injuries doing that, but not as many Hamstrings.
Maybe it's just me being inobservant...

The straight line can, but it normally the cuts or trying to go to fast to hard, you could see Russ was not right, his stride was off, big time.

[Anthony]

Yea, I suppose I deserve that little poke. But my point wasn't so much about his accumulated stats as it was about his willingness to run the ball, perhaps twice as often as any game this season. We'll have to agree to disagree, but he does not look to me to be a person that his nursing a hamstring injury, or any other injury as far as that goes. I thought that he played with his balls out yesterday.

You saw him drop down shortly after that blocking run,m and you also saw his stride shorten a lot and him have a hitch, He is hurt there is no doubt.

[NorthHawk]

I'm not so sure about that.
It looked to me like he was looking for a way to not get run over more than any type of injury.

Of the game, on the whole, I was happy with the performance. The Offense looked pretty good for the most part
and the Defense as expected was at times overmatched by an Offense that has dominated their opponents this year.
It's too bad the score didn't reflect the effort, but that's the way it goes during a "reset".

I really liked how well we ran the ball without Fluker and Carson. Simmonds instead of Pocic seems to be a combination with Ifedi
that might be a good backup plan. It also looks like Penny is starting to feel comfortable. He still hesitates at times, but that's
getting better the more opportunities he gets. Maybe we can get by this week without Carson and Fluker so they can be fully
healthy during the home stretch of the season.

I'm worried about Thursday's game with some of the injuries. The keys will be on Defense with Wright missing half the game yesterday
and McDougald playing hurt with the short week coming up.

[HumanCockroach]

Clearly there is doubt. Or it wouldn't be discussed, right? Seattle has zero injury designation, and nothing I saw indicated any type of serious limitation, and honestly it's been that way for weeks. So, definitely doubt.

[The POPE]

Russell just seems slower to me this year. Maybe he is hurt and the truth will come out later. Now he just looks like he has lost a step. Still has speed, but slowing down in his old age

[trents]

I have no beef with the way the Hawk's offense is playing. They are being successful at moving the ball with the run game mixed in with a few passes. Pete is getting what he wants in that regard. The real problem isn't the offense, it's the defense. It certainly is no longer the legion of boom. Our current offensive play would be adequate for winning most every game if the defense was like we had it back in the LOB days.

[RiverDog]

Russell just seems slower to me this year. Maybe he is hurt and the truth will come out later. Now he just looks like he has lost a step. Still has speed, but slowing down in his old age

I've done a little research on how age affects an athlete's running speed. Unfortunetely, it's in an Excel format so I can't display it, but here's the link if you want to check it out for yourself:

http://www.usatf.org/statistics/calculators/agegrading/

It seems that for a 5K distance runner, the age decline starts at 28, for a 6K runner it starts at 29., 8K at 30. Using that information, one could reasonably assume that the average athlete's speed in the 40 yard dash begins to decline sometime before age 28. Russell will be celebrating his 30th birthday in 2 weeks...Novenber 29th, to be exact.

I've spent a good part of yesterday and today watching the Hawks-Rams replay. I honestly can't see anything unusual in his gait that would indicate an injury of any kind and so far, I've seen one of his patented spin moves. He looks perfectly healthy to me. Yes, he's obviously a step or two slower, but there's no doubt that Father Time is marching towards him like it does with all of us.

[Anthony]

Isnt it interesting, how people see what they want. We knoq for a fact he had/has a hanstring injury. Even in the last game the annoucers said something. Michael Robinson, who would know sais he is still dealing with it. I and others saw it. Yet some who want it to be age, refuse to even acknowledge he could be injured.

[NorthHawk]

The FO has been penalized previously for not reporting injuries, so I doubt they are playing games now.
There’s just too much to lose by not reporting it.

[Anthony]

The FO has been penalized previously for not reporting injuries, so I doubt they are playing games now.
There’s just too much to lose by not reporting it.

They have been penalized for a lot of things, alot of which the repeat. The evidence still supports he is not 100%.

[HumanCockroach]

Isnt it interesting, how people see what they want. We knoq for a fact he had/has a hanstring injury. Even in the last game the annoucers said something. Michael Robinson, who would know sais he is still dealing with it. I and others saw it. Yet some who want it to be age, refuse to even acknowledge he could be injured.

Absolutely is.

Pre game:

https://www.seahawks.com/team/injury-report/

Post game:

https://www.seahawks.com/news/pete-carr ... ss-at-rams

nothing there, I witnessed nothing except a slight decline in speed ( something that isn't new to this season), he's been slowing down the last couple years, it happens to EVERY player, just part of the game.

So yes, I absolutely agree, isn't it interesting what some people see? Not in this case fans that are objective, and grasp that that happens to athletes, not the training, or coaching staff, but somehow a select few, that always see "injuries, or poor play by others" in regards to anything, and EVERYTHING related to Russell.