NorthHawk wrote:I hope they can put some changes in to benefit the Defense.
Neutering it like they seem to be trying to do will turn a lot of fans off.
NorthHawk wrote:I hope they can put some changes in to benefit the Defense.
Neutering it like they seem to be trying to do will turn a lot of fans off.
idhawkman wrote:Today's football is unlike most of us on this forum have ever played. Used to be that you expected to get leveled once or twice a game and you expected to level someone at least that often, too. I see receivers with back pads that make the breakup a catch hit in the back almost obsolete. The DPI called on Flowers in the game sunday was a travesty to the game that I know and loved playing as a DB, same for Griffin's in the end zone.
That all said, the stickum that Fred used made the ball unplayable after he made a catch whereas the gloves of today don't leave any residue on the ball. I think that is the big difference between those two in your example. I can live with the new gloves but quit the bogus dpi calls, let them play. In today's NFL, the only reason for an incompletion is a throw away by the QB or an errant throw by the QB. It literally has little to do with the defensive player as far as the catch is concerned. I guess all they want the defensive player to do is tackle the receiver "AFTER" they have made the catch.
HumanCockroach wrote:Eh, the NFL has been systematically dismantling defense for two decades plus.
idhawkman wrote:I can live with the new gloves but quit the bogus dpi calls, let them play.
RiverDog wrote:Agreed about DPI. Nearly all of the recent rule changes have favored the offense. Even those that were supposed to be anti offense, like the battering ram rule, are seldom enforced. I'd like to see them loosen up on DPI, perhaps even letting them to go back to the bump-and-run. As the article points out, it makes comparing players, specifically quarterbacks and receivers, from different eras, nearly impossible. QB/receiver stats and records don't mean chit anymore. It's time for the pendelum to swing back towards the defense.
Oly wrote:Many of the safety-related changes about defenseless receivers aren't going away, so we need to find a way to bring back balance through safe means. Allowing more hand-fighting and physical play by the DBs would be perfect. Receivers are less likely to be at full-steam going across the middle, and I'd think a DB is less likely to try to de-cleat a crossing receiver if his teammate is inches away. I would imagine it would also increase INTs, an exciting play, because the DB would generally be closer to the WR. I think it's much more entertaining to watch a WR get open by skill and good use of his body and hands to create space than to just watch them run into open spaces untouched. Relaxing the DPI rules adds to the matchup chess matches that make football so fun to watch.
RiverDog wrote:They need to revisit roughing the passer. Incidental contact, even if it's in the head and neck area, isn't necssarily going to create a safety issue. Same thing about tackling a QB with the weight of their body. It's not the same as those rules that are designed to prevent head and spinal injuries.
The other thing about re-instating bump-and-run coverage is that it could result in more longer completions. If the DB isn't careful and the receiver breaks free or is able to elude the contact, they can get behind the coverage.
Additionally, I don't think anyone is going to object to the prospect of fewer penalties.
Hawktawk wrote:If they want to protect the QB they should make offensive holding a 5 yard penalty. I've always thought it is ridiculous that defensive holding is 5 yards and offensive holding is 10 yards anyway, particularly when it is true it can be called every play. If you're going to flag defenders for exhaling on the QB maybe give the offensive lineman a little more latitude to protect him from a free runner in the first place without it being an automatic drive killer.
Maybe its the gloves or protecting the receiver or whatever but there are just a lot of great catches being made in this league.
In GB McCarthy is said to be ruining Rodgers who is only completing 61.8 % of his passes this season and whose play has dropped off dramatically in general this season. Bortles had turned the corner last year, got a new deal and dropped 7 in a row after a 2-0 start and is now riding the pine after passing for under 200 yards 6 of the last 7 games
If it was just rules and schemes everyone could do it and nobody could stop it, neither of which is the case.....
It makes the accomplishments of the LOB that much more impressive over that 4 year stretch, also points out what a troglodyte our current offensive scheme is.I don't careJust win baby!!!!!
NorthHawk wrote:Ratings seem to be up lately.
Whether it's because of more scoring, I don't know, but I doubt they would
tinker with the product if the trend line continues.
idhawkman wrote:I think what most people overlook with the overall improvement of QB play is how the rules have effected them. I think they can keep their concentration much longer because they aren't worried that someone is going to take out their knee, or konk them on the head or squish them in a body slam. They have to lay down pillows before hitting the QB. Back in the 70's, when I'd blitz from the DB position my coach told me to put the QB on the ground as violently as possible whether he had the ball or not. I would guarantee the QB looking for me every play after that when they dropped back whether I was blitzing or not.
idhawkman wrote:I think what most people overlook with the overall improvement of QB play is how the rules have effected them. I think they can keep their concentration much longer because they aren't worried that someone is going to take out their knee, or konk them on the head or squish them in a body slam. They have to lay down pillows before hitting the QB. Back in the 70's, when I'd blitz from the DB position my coach told me to put the QB on the ground as violently as possible whether he had the ball or not. I would guarantee the QB looking for me every play after that when they dropped back whether I was blitzing or not.
Hawktawk wrote:
I hear ya ID, that was then and this is now.Good lord kenny easley would have been fined and ejected from every game he ever played in today.
When i was in high school as a sophomore i played on a state championship team from coulee city. We ran into the @1 ranked Colton Wildcats at Lions field in Moses Lake in the semis. They ran primarily the wishbone and scored about 70 a game. They took an early lead and were moving the ball at will on our huge but slower defenders.
Our d coordinator called everyone over to the sidelines and said " look, I don't care what the QB does, whether he keeps it, pitches it or hands it off to the fullback or throws it want him smashed every play" That was it for Colton as the Rams cruised to a 40-20 win as their QB melted and started trying to get rid of the ball as soon as possible. Under todays rules we would have had no chance in the game. Its been pussified.
idhawkman wrote:I think what most people overlook with the overall improvement of QB play is how the rules have effected them. I think they can keep their concentration much longer because they aren't worried that someone is going to take out their knee, or konk them on the head or squish them in a body slam. They have to lay down pillows before hitting the QB. Back in the 70's, when I'd blitz from the DB position my coach told me to put the QB on the ground as violently as possible whether he had the ball or not. I would guarantee the QB looking for me every play after that when they dropped back whether I was blitzing or not.
But only recently has scoring significantly increased and QB play overall improved a lot, too.
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idhawkman wrote:You shut down Brees the same way you shut down RW (or any QB for that matter). You get pressure up the middle. That's why Aaron Donald and Suh are so valued. That's where you need the pressure and that makes your secondary better since the QB is trying to unload the ball quicker, etc.
Hawktawk wrote:Yeah well what happened to Brees. Who dey? Its still possible to shut down a great offense, just harder.
Hawktawk wrote:I agree it all starts with pressure. We agree on a lot when we stay off politics![]()
RiverDog wrote:They are a different team than they were a month ago.
idhawkman wrote:...and that's what so great about sports. It can bring together people of all backgrounds, thoughts, etc.
idhawkman wrote:They are a different team than they were a month ago.
All teams are at this point of the year given injuries, skill building, chemistry, etc.
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