jshawaii22 wrote:From Seahawks.com:
With one more Seahawks win, Carroll will surpass Mike Holmgren as the franchise's all-time winningest head coach in the regular season with 87 victories. Right now, the two coaches are tied at 86 wins apiece, with Carroll owning an 86-53 record and Holmgren holding an 86-74 mark.
20 less games... same # of wins not counting the postseason and 2 trips to the top. Hard to believe that I didn't like the decision when we first hired him. He went on that "Book Tour" and was speaking more about his leaving LA than coming to Seattle. I guess that's why I'm not a Team President.
jshawaii22 wrote:From Seahawks.com:
With one more Seahawks win, Carroll will surpass Mike Holmgren as the franchise's all-time winningest head coach in the regular season with 87 victories. Right now, the two coaches are tied at 86 wins apiece, with Carroll owning an 86-53 record and Holmgren holding an 86-74 mark.
20 less games... same # of wins not counting the postseason and 2 trips to the top. Hard to believe that I didn't like the decision when we first hired him. He went on that "Book Tour" and was speaking more about his leaving LA than coming to Seattle. I guess that's why I'm not a Team President.
idhawkman wrote:That said, I think Holmgren had a heavier lift than Carroll. Carroll had a few left overs from the XL Super Bowl Team. Holmgren had a franchise with a losing tradition for 90% of its history to change that stench in the organization.
RiverDog wrote:In the two seasons prior to Holmgren's arrival in 1999, the Hawks went 8-8 in both years, and would have made the playoffs in the '98 season had it not been for the most egregious call in the most consequential moments in the form of the Vinne Testaverde helmut touchdown. Holmgren already had Walter Jones and Mack Strong on his roster, along with players like Ricky Watters, Joey Galloway, Cristain Fauria, and Shawn Springs, and was able to use Galloway as a huge asset in trade with the Cowboys.
In 2008, the Hawks went 5-11, and Mora followed that with a 4-12 season. By most accounts, Mora had lost the team. The only hold overs worth mentioning were Brandon Mebane, Jon Ryan, and Matt Hasselbeck, none of which measure up to the impact that Big Walt and Mack Strong had on Holmgren's teams. Additionally, Pete won a playoff game in his first season with his band of misfits, and by Year 3, the Hawks were a legitimate SB contender. It took Holmgren 6 years to win his first playoff game. Pete did it in his first year, and again in his 3rd, won the Lombari in Year 4.
IMO Holmgren had more in the cupboard than Pete did.
and who was the QB when Holmgren arrived?
NorthHawk wrote:
I think that speaks to the importance of the GM and Coach being on the same page.
Clearly Ruskell and Holmgren were not while Schneider and Carroll are.
idhawkman wrote:and who was the QB when Holmgren arrived?
idhawkman wrote:and who was the QB when Holmgren arrived?
politicalfootball wrote:Well Pete Carroll is old and his contract is up in 2019. We may not resign him, who would take his place as head coach and do as good as he does ?
politicalfootball wrote:Well Pete Carroll is old and his contract is up in 2019. We may not resign him, who would take his place as head coach and do as good as he does ?
jshawaii22 wrote:I remember Coach H held a 'loyalty' towards older starters that extended far too long into their careers, especially after they were hurt. He would always assume you got your starting job back, no matter what. Maybe it was just his last couple of years after the "GM" was taken out of his title, but it's what I remember the most.
Coach Pete made competition the key. No job safe, no loyalty and turned the roster based on who was buying into the program, similar to what happened the last 2 years with the defense.
Not saying which is necessarily more right or wrong -- both proved to be great coaches for us.
We have a new leader in the clubhouse. Congrats to Coach Pete for becoming the all-time regular season winningest coach in our history.
NorthHawk wrote:It was interesting to listen to him talk about it after the game and say GM John Schneider was the winningest GM in Seattle Seahawks history.
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