Paul Moyer Comments

[Hawk Sista]

I love ya RD, but I find it irritating that you felt it necessary to school me on the role of the agent when I clearly acknowledged as much in what I said. I said RW calls the shots, so he should catch more of my ire. I don’t like Mark Rogers, even if RW does. I don’t like his style & I get to have that opinion. You speak as though there is such a thing as one true objective reality. We all have our own lens, and mine doesn’t like Rogers (Mark or Aaron).

[obiken]

Pete and John need to get back to the formula that worked. They have lost their way in my opinion. When Pete and John got there, they relentlessly pursued talent and found tons of it in unexpected places. Now they try to trade for flashy pieces giving up draft capital hoping to sustain through flashy trades. They need to get back to their roots of sifting talent until they find the diamonds in the rough.
Pete's a defensive coach. Not some flashy offensive coach. He needs to get the defensive line rebuilt. Dominant defenses have strong D-lines. We're a defense first team. We have enough offensive pieces to win, we need a defense that enforces and dominates giving the offense more chances.

I agree ASHF, but thats why JS was going to bail to Detroit and the Hawks had to fatten his pay check. Pete has too much power now, and this is not going to end well. IF Paul Allen was alive this would have been over before it ever began. As one who lives south of PDX off I-5, it was obscene how long Paul stayed with Rashid Wallace, but Paul knew that stars matter more than GM's or any coach.

[obiken]

I love ya RD, but I find it irritating that you felt it necessary to school me on the role of the agent when I clearly acknowledged as much in what I said. I said RW calls the shots, so he should catch more of my ire. I don’t like Mark Rogers, even if RW does. I don’t like his style & I get to have that opinion. You speak as though there is such a thing as one true objective reality. We all have our own lens, and mine doesn’t like Rogers (Mark or Aaron).

I am some where between you two HS, agents are just hired guns like lawyers. We dont know how much wrangling has gone on behind the scenes with RW and PC. Rogers and RW have played nice for years, they are tired of getting played. What CBob has to understand is RW is NEVER going to come out and say, I love the Hawks but I want out. Its not in his personality. Best team for Russ is the Saints, best team for Pete: the Raiders, best team for you, me, River, etc, SEATTLE!!

[c_hawkbob]

What CBob has to understand is RW is NEVER going to come out and say, I love the Hawks but I want out.

Just why do you suppose I have to understand that and what in the world makes you think I don't?

What I am saying is that right now there is just no evidence that he wants 'out'. He wants what's best for himself, maybe even more than he wants what's best for the team, but I think that in his mind what is best for him IS what's best for the team. I think he may be getting frustrated with Pete but I don't think it means he wants out yet. Mostly I think this whole discussion is bullspit cause it just ain't happening this year. Period. Talk to me next year after June first when a trade becomes an honest possibility. Until then this is just us keeping the talking heads happy by following their crumb trails and keeping them relevant.

[RiverDog]

I love ya RD, but I find it irritating that you felt it necessary to school me on the role of the agent when I clearly acknowledged as much in what I said. I said RW calls the shots, so he should catch more of my ire. I don’t like Mark Rogers, even if RW does. I don’t like his style & I get to have that opinion. You speak as though there is such a thing as one true objective reality. We all have our own lens, and mine doesn’t like Rogers (Mark or Aaron).

I didn't mean for it to come off that way, Sis. Sorry about that. I simply wanted to make a point that an agent is also a spokesman for their client.

Speaking of lecturing others, I have a funny/arrogant story to tell about lawyers/agents. Our company lawyer decided that the term "lawyer" was too demeaning for a person of his stature, so he sent out a message to every single employee with a company email instructing everyone NOT to refer to him as the company "lawyer", rather he was to be referred to as either the company attorney or the company spokesman. I had always hoped that some day I could meet him so I could tell him a couple of really nasty lawyer jokes just to see what he'd do about it.

[Hawk Sista]

99% of lawyers make the rest look bad.

RD, I know you didn’t mean to come off that way & I know you are a solid human - I really do. As a friend, however, can you see how one could come away with the impression I did after reading what you said to what I said? ? As a woman in a male dominated field (not much longer - retiring this summer), I have to say I hear so many people take an opposing position when we really agree. Tell me if I’m off (look objectively first).

[obiken]

Just why do you suppose I have to understand that and what in the world makes you think I don't?

What I am saying is that right now there is just no evidence that he wants 'out'. He wants what's best for himself, maybe even more than he wants what's best for the team, but I think that in his mind what is best for him IS what's best for the team. I think he may be getting frustrated with Pete but I don't think it means he wants out yet. Mostly I think this whole discussion is bullspit cause it just ain't happening this year. Period. Talk to me next year after June first when a trade becomes an honest possibility. Until then this is just us keeping the talking heads happy by following their crumb trails and keeping them relevant.

Sorry guy, I just "assumed" that you were not getting his signals. I respectfully disagree, I think we are close to having Carr and a few draft picks away from Pete getting the kind of offense he's always wanted, again. Sorry again Bob.

[c_hawkbob]

Just why do you suppose I have to understand that and what in the world makes you think I don't?

What I am saying is that right now there is just no evidence that he wants 'out'. He wants what's best for himself, maybe even more than he wants what's best for the team, but I think that in his mind what is best for him IS what's best for the team. I think he may be getting frustrated with Pete but I don't think it means he wants out yet. Mostly I think this whole discussion is bullspit cause it just ain't happening this year. Period. Talk to me next year after June first when a trade becomes an honest possibility. Until then this is just us keeping the talking heads happy by following their crumb trails and keeping them relevant.

Sorry guy, I just "assumed" that you were not getting his signals. I respectfully disagree, I think we are close to having Carr and a few draft picks away from Pete getting the kind of offense he's always wanted, again. Sorry again Bob.

It's all good Obi. Just underscores the difference between lack of agreement and lack of understanding. We're cool.

As for any possible trade timeline, If we trade him right now the dead cap hit is $39M. After June 1 this year it's $26M. After June 1 next year it's $13M. When do you honestly think it could happen? That's why I keep saying nothing is gonna happen till next June at the earliest.

[NorthHawk]

As for any possible trade timeline, If we trade him right now the dead cap hit is $39M. After June 1 this year it's $26M. After June 1 next year it's $13M. When do you honestly think it could happen? That's why I keep saying nothing is gonna happen till next June at the earliest.

That's true, but there are ways to mitigate it. One way is for the Wilson to pay back the Seahawks $39 million and the new team pay him back the $39 million in cash as part of a new or extended deal.
Using cash can in some ways lower the Cap hit as some of the teams are trying to do with the lower Cap this year as they try to retain players they deem critical to their team.

[c_hawkbob]

And why in the world would he agree to do such a thing? Y'all are acting like he's Deshaun Watson demanding a trade and vowing never to put on a team uniform again.

[NorthHawk]

And why in the world would he agree to do such a thing? Y'all are acting like he's Deshaun Watson demanding a trade and vowing never to put on a team uniform again.

He would do that to facilitate a trade. I can see it happening if it was with one of the 4 teams he listed he would
accept a trade to.

[Aseahawkfan]

Let's go about this a different way. I want all those Seattle fans talking about Russell Wilson getting traded to list all these successful examples of teams trading away top 5 QBs in their prime years.

My opinion is that trading away Russell Wilson right now or even contemplating it even for three 1st round picks would put Seahawks team management in the NFL Hall of Idiots. There is no trade worth a top tier QB like Russell Wilson.

If John Schneider and Pete Carroll trade Russell Wilson even if he demands it should both be fired. Period.

Seattle fans don't even pay attention to how their team operates believing stupid stories like this.

Kam Chancellor, Earl Thomas, and Richard Sherman were all much more antagonistic in public than Russell would ever be. None of them got traded, they just got cut after their careers were on the way down. Marshawn the same.

But suddenly Pete and John have "changed" in the minds of Seattle fans and the NFL sports media (no real proof of this, but hey nothing gets in the way of a good story) and they're going to suddenly kowtow to Russell Wilson and trade a top 5 QB they build the team around in his prime because you know that's what Pete and John are known for, trading players that demand trades or pay increases or what not in their prime because they've done it so often before.

Like I've been saying, you all are being led around by the noses by the media without thinking about how Pete and John operate and have operated for a decade. Russell Wilson isn't going anywhere any time soon, especially not while Pete and John are here.

[obiken]

It's all good Obi. Just underscores the difference between lack of agreement and lack of understanding. We're cool.

As for any possible trade timeline, If we trade him right now the dead cap hit is $39M. After June 1 this year it's $26M. After June 1 next year it's $13M. When do you honestly think it could happen? That's why I keep saying nothing is gonna happen till next June at the earliest.

Now I get your point Bob, no question we would lose a boatload.

[RiverDog]

Let's go about this a different way. I want all those Seattle fans talking about Russell Wilson getting traded to list all these successful examples of teams trading away top 5 QBs in their prime years.

The 49'ers did pretty well after they parted ways with Montana and the Packers still kept winning after Favre, so it can be done. But that's not the point. I don't think anyone in here, at least not me, is advocating a trade. The discussion has mostly been about the possibility of a trade and the rift between Russell and Pete, not whether or not we're looking forward to a trade.

[NorthHawk]

Let's go about this a different way. I want all those Seattle fans talking about Russell Wilson getting traded to list all these successful examples of teams trading away top 5 QBs in their prime years.

My opinion is that trading away Russell Wilson right now or even contemplating it even for three 1st round picks would put Seahawks team management in the NFL Hall of Idiots. There is no trade worth a top tier QB like Russell Wilson.

If John Schneider and Pete Carroll trade Russell Wilson even if he demands it should both be fired. Period.

Seattle fans don't even pay attention to how their team operates believing stupid stories like this.

Kam Chancellor, Earl Thomas, and Richard Sherman were all much more antagonistic in public than Russell would ever be. None of them got traded, they just got cut after their careers were on the way down. Marshawn the same.

But suddenly Pete and John have "changed" in the minds of Seattle fans and the NFL sports media (no real proof of this, but hey nothing gets in the way of a good story) and they're going to suddenly kowtow to Russell Wilson and trade a top 5 QB they build the team around in his prime because you know that's what Pete and John are known for, trading players that demand trades or pay increases or what not in their prime because they've done it so often before.

Like I've been saying, you all are being led around by the noses by the media without thinking about how Pete and John operate and have operated for a decade. Russell Wilson isn't going anywhere any time soon, especially not while Pete and John are here.

I don't think any Seahawk fan wants Wilson to be traded. However, we can't just stick our heads in the sand and think everything is rosy when it's clear Wilson has a problem with Carroll's view of how an Offense should be run.
Wilson stated he thinks we should score 24 points in the first half every game and Carroll said he would rather grind it out and win 17-14 than open the Offense. That's too polar opposite views and if Wilson is feeling like he's
being hamstrung by the HC, then he will become a net negative to the team. Right now we've heard Wilson comment that Carroll has too much power and answers to no one. He's also said his kids are the same except they
answer to Carroll (one left to coach in College). Other players see this and it creates a power struggle between the team leader in Wilson and the HC. If it continues then something will have to give and many of us think that
Wilson will leave before Carroll even though he will be 70 this year.

Drew Brees sits in on the planning sessions for upcoming games and Peyton has a list of plays Brees wants to run. Brady does the same and overrules the play calls on the field if he thinks he has a better idea. Mahomes works with
Reid to develop the Offensive strategy and plays he likes to run in different situations. Wilson doesn't get that type of influence and he thinks he's on par with those other QB's or at least has the potential to be on their level. When
Wilson had ideas as to how to fix the Offense they shut him down. Would that have happened to Brees, Brady, Rodgers, or Mahomes? I doubt it. And that's part of why we are hearing the rumblings of discontent and his people
giving lists of teams he would OK for trades.

I, along with all Seahawk fans hope they can mend the fences, but will Carroll give in for the best QB he's ever had? I somehow doubt it. It's his philosophy that drives his view of how a team should play and that's in conflict with his
QB's desires and view of how to succeed in the NFL.

[obiken]

Add to that JJ Watt, just went to the Cardinals, the NFC West isn’t going to be a division, it’s gonna be a gladiatorial contest.

[Aseahawkfan]

The 49'ers did pretty well after they parted ways with Montana and the Packers still kept winning after Favre, so it can be done. But that's not the point. I don't think anyone in here, at least not me, is advocating a trade. The discussion has mostly been about the possibility of a trade and the rift between Russell and Pete, not whether or not we're looking forward to a trade.

I said in their primes, not at the end of their careers. I want you to tell me all those teams that traded Joe Montana and Brett Favre in the primes of their careers and did well. Not teams that traded a QB at the end of their career.

Favre retired.

Montana was traded to KC after missing a season and played for 2 years before retiring.

So once again I ask, what teams have been successful trading their top 5 QBs in their prime years? I really want to know how successful teams have been since a handful of Seattle fans seem to think this is a good idea. They must be basing this on some track record of teams trading top 5 QBs in their prime and somehow becoming better teams. There must be a strong precedent for this as no one would be so stupid enough to trade a Top 5 QB in their prime if there wasn't a strong track record of this working.

[RiverDog]

So once again I ask, what teams have been successful trading their top 5 QBs in their prime years? I really want to know how successful teams have been since a handful of Seattle fans seem to think this is a good idea. They must be basing this on some track record of teams trading top 5 QBs in their prime and somehow becoming better teams. There must be a strong precedent for this as no one would be so stupid enough to trade a Top 5 QB in their prime if there wasn't a strong track record of this working.

I'm not sure if you call Alex Smith a top 5 QB, but he was playing well when the Niners moved away for him then went on to a Super Bowl and a NFCCG the following year. It really doesn't happen very often, so there's not a lot of evidence out there one way or another.

But that's beside the point. I am not advocating trading Russell, at least not without knowing exactly how bad this rift between him and Pete is.

[NorthHawk]

If a QB (or any player probably but QB for certain) isn't happy, the team knows about it and it affects them.
Can an unhappy QB lead the others if he's not all in himself? There's some major repair work to be done with Wilson and Carroll and if they can't patch it up then maybe they will have to part ways.
If that's the case and they can't get on the same page, would it be better to trade him this year or next? From a perspective of receiving compensation via trade, this year makes more sense because
he will be a year older and may not have a great year next year if he's unhappy or angry. The next couple of weeks will be crucial as to whether he should stay or go - unless the Seahawks decide to
part ways with an older HC.

[RiverDog]

If a QB (or any player probably but QB for certain) isn't happy, the team knows about it and it affects them.
Can an unhappy QB lead the others if he's not all in himself? There's some major repair work to be done with Wilson and Carroll and if they can't patch it up then maybe they will have to part ways.
If that's the case and they can't get on the same page, would it be better to trade him this year or next? From a perspective of receiving compensation via trade, this year makes more sense because
he will be a year older and may not have a great year next year if he's unhappy or angry. The next couple of weeks will be crucial as to whether he should stay or go - unless the Seahawks decide to
part ways with an older HC.

What none of us know is just how bad this rift is between Russell and Pete. Is it as some of our friends in here are saying, that it's nothing but a creation of the media and that everything is peaches and cream, or is it virtually irreconcilable with Russell being so upset that he's demanding a trade? Unless we can get an accurate answer to that question, then there's no way to determine if or when we should trade him.

[curmudgeon]

Interesting yes. Will Seattle trade Wilson and rebuild or fire Carroll/Schneider and install Wilson as the first player/GM in NFL history?.....

[NorthHawk]

Interesting yes. Will Seattle trade Wilson and rebuild or fire Carroll/Schneider and install Wilson as the first player/GM in NFL history?.....

We're in a tough spot. We seem to have a winning HC and a game changing QB both with large egos who are at odds as to how to run the Offense. The QB is at his prime
and the HC is near the end of their respective careers. Although Carroll signed a multi year contract he's always said his decision to continue is year to year. So what to do?
Get a boatload of draft picks and hope to get another Franchise type QB or continue with a QB whose ego may be getting larger than his talent? I would hope that Pete lets
the Offense do its thing and concentrate on improving the Defense, but I'm not sure he can let it go without meddling and pissing Russell off.

[Aseahawkfan]

Getting rid of Russell Wilson can put us down for over a decade. All we would spend the 1st round picks on is trying to find another Russell Wilson.

Not sure why people think Russell Wilson' are easy to find, but they aren't. I'd fire Pete Carroll before I got rid of Russell Wilson. That's how rare top flight QBs are.

But as for right now, we still have nothing but rumors that there is a problem. Even though most of you seem to have forgotten about it at this point, I remember the NFL rumor mill trying to start the same crap during Russell's contract negotiation. It turned out to be nothing but BS. I'm betting this will turn out the same. Nothing but rumor-mongering trying to start a fire so they have something more to talk about. But come start of camps, it will have all been rumor manufactured BS.

[RiverDog]

Getting rid of Russell Wilson can put us down for over a decade. All we would spend the 1st round picks on is trying to find another Russell Wilson.

OK, time to stop this nonsense. Which one of us in this forum has been taking about "getting rid of Russell Wilson"? Who in the hell are you talking to? Me? North Hawk? Obi? Hawktalk? Sam? 86? Sis?

[c_hawkbob]

The conversation had just turned to an either/or between Pete and Russ Riv. This isn't the first time "getting rid of Russ" had been at least approached in this thread if not actually broached.

[Aseahawkfan]

OK, time to stop this nonsense. Which one of us in this forum has been taking about "getting rid of Russell Wilson"? Who in the hell are you talking to? Me? North Hawk? Obi? Hawktalk? Sam? 86? Sis?

Stop screwing around, man. A bunch of posters have been complaining about Russ's salary, putting up articles about him sacking himself, and talking about trading him like Russell isn't an elite QB. They're talking like Russ is gone because he's unhappy, even though the Seahawks have never, ever shown a propensity to trade people because they're unhappy.

You been reading some of the posts on this thread? They're talking like Russ is gone and it's a done deal. It isn't, never was, and unlikely to be.

I have never heard of a team trading a star QB in their prime and doing well on the other side of that. All the Russ complaining and handwringing is pure rumormongering, not anywhere near a done deal.

I can't believe Seattle fans are contemplating their team being stupid enough to trade a star QB in his prime who has never missed a game, taken us to the playoffs 8 of 9 years, won a Super Bowl and went to another, just threw for 4200, 40 TDs while also running for 500 yards and 2 TDS. It's utterly mind-boggling to me that Seattle fans are even contemplating this as an idea.

It would make the Seahawks one of the dumbest organizations in NFL history, dumber than even the stupid call in the Super Bowl. I can't even fathom it. I can't off the top of my head recall any team trading a QB like Russell Wilson, much less doing so after a division title, 12-4 season, and a career year in personal stats. It all seems super insane to me.

People on this thread who are negative on Russell Wilson are unreal to me. I don't get it. Never will understand it. I'm not sure what their expectations are for a QB. I'm looking at what Russell did last season and it is not even entering my mind to trade him, not for 10 1st round picks. I've literally spent most of the Seahawks fandom waiting for the Seahawks to find a QB like Russell Wilson. I've watched some good to ok to terrible QBs in Seattle. I put Hass and Krieg in that good column. Most of our other QBs other than Warren Moon in his retirement year were ok to terrible, nothing special.

We now have a bonafide Hall of Fame talent who finally has two amazing receivers that seem to keep getting better and a defense that seems to be turning the corner on a rebuild and we're contemplating trading him based on rumors?

Hell no. HELLLLLLLL NOOOOOOOOO!

[RiverDog]

The conversation had just turned to an either/or between Pete and Russ Riv. This isn't the first time "getting rid of Russ" had been at least approached in this thread if not actually broached.

I guess I view the discussion differently. Certainly from my point of view I've never expressed a sentiment that could be interpreted as wanting to "get rid" of Russell, nor have I expressed a desire to fire Pete. To the contrary, I've advocated that we give both another chance, see what 2021 brings, that we're not that far away from the Super Bowl. That's not to say that I'm unconcerned about the current state of affairs or that I'm not getting restless.

In my view, most of the discussion has centered around a hypothetical "what if" assumption. What if the rumors are true? If Russell wants a trade, what teams would he be interested in going to? How much could we expect in return? Would it be better to trade him this season or next? What are the consequences of keeping a disgruntled QB on the team? Those types of statements are not advocating a trade or a "let's get rid of Russell" sentiment.

There have been a lot of us that have tried to connect the dots in an effort to gauge the likelihood that the rumors might be true, such as dissecting Russell's statements as well as those made some of Russell's friends/teammates and other insiders closer to the situation than we are. Again, I don't see that as a bandwagon effort to "get rid" of him.

[NorthHawk]

Agree, RD.
We know that Wilson wants to stay in Seattle, and we've all said we want him to stay.
However, if a QB is unhappy and butting heads with the HC, will that provide a better team?
What do we do if he decides he wants to just play out his contract and move on? Do we just play him for 2 years knowing he isn't happy and will probably go and get a 3rd round comp pick or trade him before his contract expires and get a
boatload of draft picks for him? If it's bad enough that he won't want to be back, is it worth it to keep him now? These are some of the things we've tried to discuss. Some of the posters think it's just BS and don't think it will ever
happen, but a happy QB doesn't send out messages like Wilson has the last 2 years. Something is very wrong with the Carroll/Wilson relationship to the point Wilson's camp has said he doesn't trust Pete to move the Offense to
the direction Wilson wants it to.
We'll have to see if this situation can be fixed and this year if they don't move on from Wilson or Carroll will tell us a lot about how bad that relationship really is.

[c_hawkbob]

C'mon Riv, you were the one scolding Asea; "OK, time to stop this nonsense", let's stop pretending that getting rid of Russ and Russ vs Pete have not been integral parts of this thread. It has and I think it's as ridiculous, especially this year when we should be giving Russ his dues as NFL Man of the Year, as Asea does.

And of course it's hypothetical! everything discussed here that has not already actually happened is hypothetical.

[NorthHawk]

They’ve re-hired Carl Smith who was Russ’s QB coach his first number of years and Carroll said he’s the one person who would
tell him what he needed to hear and not what he wanted to hear. Maybe he can help mend the rift with Wilson. Russ said that
Pete answers to nobody, so maybe hearing the raw truth will open his eyes.

On another note we also signed DeShawn Shead to their coaching staff. It’s his first coaching job but he might be good with
the DB’s as he knows what Carroll wants from the secondary.

[RiverDog]

More smoke:

Where there's smoke, there's fire, as they say regarding NFL rumors. And when it comes to Russell Wilson and the Seattle Seahawks, well, the smoke just keeps flowing. Weeks after CBS Sports NFL insider Jason La Canfora first indicated teams could begin trying to pry Wilson out of Seattle, and days after the quarterback's own agent identified preferred landing spots, ESPN's Dianna Russini reports that the Seahawks have begun making and fielding trade calls regarding Wilson, who remains unhappy in Seattle.

Seattle is not actively "shopping" the star QB, Russini said Thursday, "but calls made from other teams inquiring have been answered." Not only that, she told the "Pat McAfee Show," but the Seahawks have made their own calls regarding the QB.

"It's a real thing where Russell Wilson is not happy there," Russini said. "His agent is gonna deny that they are demanding a trade ... (but) I know there's been calls made on both sides, going to Seattle and from Seattle to other teams."

This comes on the heels of various reports regarding Wilson's unrest in Seattle. The team reportedly saw an uptick in inquiries from other teams after the QB told multiple media outlets in February he was frustrated with the club's offensive line and desired more say in personnel decisions. The Athletic, meanwhile, reported late last month that Wilson and the Seahawks have increasingly been at odds in recent years, with the QB even allegedly storming out of a meeting with staff over his role and the team's offensive strategy.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2021 ... -and-more/

Like I said, the story just won't go away.

[RiverDog]

Here's an interesting piece from John Clayton regarding the teams that Russell's agent said he's supposedly considering as a possible landing spot:

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1325175/ ... pAFbVBi8vc

[NorthHawk]

Here's an interesting piece from John Clayton regarding the teams that Russell's agent said he's supposedly considering as a possible landing spot:

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1325175/ ... pAFbVBi8vc

The grass is always greener, I suppose and if Russ is traded, they would have to give up a lot of draft picks so their talent upside would be limited as well.
However, if he does want to leave and is dealt, I won't care much about the team he goes to so their OL wouldn't matter to me.

If some of these articles are true it may be more about getting away from Carrolls offensive philosophy so he can get better personal stats and more say in the Offense.
I can understand Wilson feeling stale. We've pretty much had the same plays and game plans for his whole professional career. It says something when we were pleasantly surprised that they started throwing to the TE's and Carson.
That's pretty damning in today's NFL that it's a different look to throw to the RBs and TE's. So Russell is probably looking at the variety of game plans and plays that Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, and even Murray get to use while he's
still stuck with High School type plays as one former NFL player called them.

[Aseahawkfan]

More smoke:

Where there's smoke, there's fire, as they say regarding NFL rumors. And when it comes to Russell Wilson and the Seattle Seahawks, well, the smoke just keeps flowing. Weeks after CBS Sports NFL insider Jason La Canfora first indicated teams could begin trying to pry Wilson out of Seattle, and days after the quarterback's own agent identified preferred landing spots, ESPN's Dianna Russini reports that the Seahawks have begun making and fielding trade calls regarding Wilson, who remains unhappy in Seattle.

Seattle is not actively "shopping" the star QB, Russini said Thursday, "but calls made from other teams inquiring have been answered." Not only that, she told the "Pat McAfee Show," but the Seahawks have made their own calls regarding the QB.

"It's a real thing where Russell Wilson is not happy there," Russini said. "His agent is gonna deny that they are demanding a trade ... (but) I know there's been calls made on both sides, going to Seattle and from Seattle to other teams."

This comes on the heels of various reports regarding Wilson's unrest in Seattle. The team reportedly saw an uptick in inquiries from other teams after the QB told multiple media outlets in February he was frustrated with the club's offensive line and desired more say in personnel decisions. The Athletic, meanwhile, reported late last month that Wilson and the Seahawks have increasingly been at odds in recent years, with the QB even allegedly storming out of a meeting with staff over his role and the team's offensive strategy.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2021 ... -and-more/

Like I said, the story just won't go away.

Why would a story go away during the offseason with reporters everywhere looking for something to write about? I'd bet money any Russell Wilson trade story gets a ton of web site hits. The number of stories produced has nothing to do with the truth. Just means reporters have a found a story angle generating web hits and interest during the offseason. I see this more as the media trying to start a fire that isn't there during a boring offseason. You're helping them out even when the principle people involved haven't said a damn thing. Probably won't say a damn thing. Next season will start with nothing changing and this whole bunch of fretting and posting being completely pointless just like when people were fretting during Russ's contract year that he was going to hold out, that Ciara didn't want to live in Seattle, that Russ wanted to play for a bigger market, and all the BS that surrounded his contract negotiation with similar rumors of wanting a trade. Went on until he signed the contract and it was done. No one mentioned any of the stories as being true. No one on the Seahawks said much of anything even when asked questions. Seattle fans are going to get the same treatment for even buying into these rubbish stories.

Hopefully next month after the draft and free agency, we'll have better stuff to talk about than the rumor of Russell Wilson's unhappiness and the Seahawks being stupid enough to even think about trading him. Both of which I am highly skeptical of. Russ is a super positive guy who is extremely friendly with Carroll and Schneider. I've seen no indication whatsoever that Pete and John wouldn't listen to Russ and vice versa. How many times have you harangued Pete for being too much of a player's coach? But somehow according to these rumors the most positive and player friendly coach in the NFL has turned into a curmudgeonly jerk who won't listen to the QB he drafted and developed? Two guys who have been attached at the hip since they came together in 2012? Let's just say I'm not buying it and neither should you.

The reporters writing about this show no knowledge of how Seattle operates. I'm more surprised you're buying this stuff when you should know how Seattle has operated the last 10 plus years under Pete and John. Seattle fans as a group should know better. There is no precedent set for a Russell trade. It would be something completely out of character for Pete, John, Russell, and the Seahawks organization.

[NorthHawk]

Wilson is very conscious of his image so if this had no merit he would have said so in no uncertain terms.
Instead his team has given a list of teams he would be willing to go to.
Our FO in the meantime has gone from not answering the phone calls to stating the bidding would start at 3 first round picks.

When both sides move in their own directions the possibility that something is wrong is greatly increased. There are now stories
that the Bears are getting ready to make a big run at Wilson.

[obiken]

Its a toe dance NH and neither side wants to be the bad guy, but I think both are done with the relationship. Its the Gretzky trade all over again.

[RiverDog]

Wilson is very conscious of his image so if this had no merit he would have said so in no uncertain terms.
Instead his team has given a list of teams he would be willing to go to.
Our FO in the meantime has gone from not answering the phone calls to stating the bidding would start at 3 first round picks.

When both sides move in their own directions the possibility that something is wrong is greatly increased. There are now stories
that the Bears are getting ready to make a big run at Wilson.

I have a hard time believing that Russell would let these rumors keep circulating if the stories were completely meritless as some in here are arguing. He may not be demanding a trade, but at the very least, it seems pretty clear that he's sending a very unambiguous signal to the Hawks.

I still don't think a trade happens, at least not this season. It doesn't make sense from either side. The potential landing sites that Russell's agent mentioned all have their warts and it would be a disaster for us, both on the field and PR wise.

[NorthHawk]

I hope it doesn't happen and they can fix the relationship.
I've been thinking about this past season and remember after a loss when Pete Carroll said something like "I don't know this game". I took it as him not recognizing his Defense and how badly they were playing, but it seems that he
may have been talking about our Offense and the turnovers. He then pulled back the reins on the Offense. Later in they year he said he wants to grind it out and win by 3 points (I think he said 20-17) and Wilson replied when asked "why not score 24 points in the first half?".
I think it sums up the split in thinking and desires of how to run the Offense and I don't think the differing points of view can be fixed.

Edit:
Here's a link to the Bears attempt to trade for Wilson:

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2021/ ... lson-trade

[c_hawkbob]

Well there's really no "attempt" in that piece by Florio, all it is is speculation on what it could take and a statement toward the end that it would be difficult for the Bears to pull it off.

All of this is still absolutely speculation. And I'm not sure why anyone would expect that Wilson would, or should, be the one to end these rumors. His agent put out that list of teams quite specifically to generate the kind of speculation he's created in order for him to gauge market value. As Wilson is in in control of any potential trade it's on Rogers to have a solid feel for that sort of thing. But if anyone needs to stop this sort of speculation it would be the team, all they would have to say is "we're not taking calls about Wilson", but that's not their style either; John famously "always answers the phone", so I don't expect any of this to stop.

At the end of the day though, it just ain't happening. Not this year and not before June next year.

[NorthHawk]

We absolutely know Wilson isn't happy. He speaks through his agent and former team mates in this regard. Brandon Marshall said Wilson is just looking for a classy way out - thus no definitive statement from him.
So do we go into a season with an unhappy QB who wants to be elsewhere and a fractured locker room with players choosing sides?
How can he continue being the team leader when isn't happy and wants out?
Would Pete Carroll give in and let the Offense be run like Wilson thinks?
I think it's an unfortunate but very real possibility that he is dealt. Cap concerns are an issue, but they can be surmounted by various means.