Pete and John need to get back to the formula that worked. They have lost their way in my opinion. When Pete and John got there, they relentlessly pursued talent and found tons of it in unexpected places. Now they try to trade for flashy pieces giving up draft capital hoping to sustain through flashy trades. They need to get back to their roots of sifting talent until they find the diamonds in the rough.
Pete's a defensive coach. Not some flashy offensive coach. He needs to get the defensive line rebuilt. Dominant defenses have strong D-lines. We're a defense first team. We have enough offensive pieces to win, we need a defense that enforces and dominates giving the offense more chances.
Hawk Sista wrote:I love ya RD, but I find it irritating that you felt it necessary to school me on the role of the agent when I clearly acknowledged as much in what I said. I said RW calls the shots, so he should catch more of my ire. I don’t like Mark Rogers, even if RW does. I don’t like his style & I get to have that opinion. You speak as though there is such a thing as one true objective reality. We all have our own lens, and mine doesn’t like Rogers (Mark or Aaron).
What CBob has to understand is RW is NEVER going to come out and say, I love the Hawks but I want out.
Hawk Sista wrote:I love ya RD, but I find it irritating that you felt it necessary to school me on the role of the agent when I clearly acknowledged as much in what I said. I said RW calls the shots, so he should catch more of my ire. I don’t like Mark Rogers, even if RW does. I don’t like his style & I get to have that opinion. You speak as though there is such a thing as one true objective reality. We all have our own lens, and mine doesn’t like Rogers (Mark or Aaron).
Just why do you suppose I have to understand that and what in the world makes you think I don't?
What I am saying is that right now there is just no evidence that he wants 'out'. He wants what's best for himself, maybe even more than he wants what's best for the team, but I think that in his mind what is best for him IS what's best for the team. I think he may be getting frustrated with Pete but I don't think it means he wants out yet. Mostly I think this whole discussion is bullspit cause it just ain't happening this year. Period. Talk to me next year after June first when a trade becomes an honest possibility. Until then this is just us keeping the talking heads happy by following their crumb trails and keeping them relevant.
Just why do you suppose I have to understand that and what in the world makes you think I don't?
What I am saying is that right now there is just no evidence that he wants 'out'. He wants what's best for himself, maybe even more than he wants what's best for the team, but I think that in his mind what is best for him IS what's best for the team. I think he may be getting frustrated with Pete but I don't think it means he wants out yet. Mostly I think this whole discussion is bullspit cause it just ain't happening this year. Period. Talk to me next year after June first when a trade becomes an honest possibility. Until then this is just us keeping the talking heads happy by following their crumb trails and keeping them relevant.
obiken wrote:Sorry guy, I just "assumed" that you were not getting his signals. I respectfully disagree, I think we are close to having Carr and a few draft picks away from Pete getting the kind of offense he's always wanted, again. Sorry again Bob.
As for any possible trade timeline, If we trade him right now the dead cap hit is $39M. After June 1 this year it's $26M. After June 1 next year it's $13M. When do you honestly think it could happen? That's why I keep saying nothing is gonna happen till next June at the earliest.
c_hawkbob wrote:And why in the world would he agree to do such a thing? Y'all are acting like he's Deshaun Watson demanding a trade and vowing never to put on a team uniform again.
It's all good Obi. Just underscores the difference between lack of agreement and lack of understanding. We're cool.
As for any possible trade timeline, If we trade him right now the dead cap hit is $39M. After June 1 this year it's $26M. After June 1 next year it's $13M. When do you honestly think it could happen? That's why I keep saying nothing is gonna happen till next June at the earliest.
Aseahawkfan wrote:Let's go about this a different way. I want all those Seattle fans talking about Russell Wilson getting traded to list all these successful examples of teams trading away top 5 QBs in their prime years.
Aseahawkfan wrote:Let's go about this a different way. I want all those Seattle fans talking about Russell Wilson getting traded to list all these successful examples of teams trading away top 5 QBs in their prime years.
My opinion is that trading away Russell Wilson right now or even contemplating it even for three 1st round picks would put Seahawks team management in the NFL Hall of Idiots. There is no trade worth a top tier QB like Russell Wilson.
If John Schneider and Pete Carroll trade Russell Wilson even if he demands it should both be fired. Period.
Seattle fans don't even pay attention to how their team operates believing stupid stories like this.
Kam Chancellor, Earl Thomas, and Richard Sherman were all much more antagonistic in public than Russell would ever be. None of them got traded, they just got cut after their careers were on the way down. Marshawn the same.
But suddenly Pete and John have "changed" in the minds of Seattle fans and the NFL sports media (no real proof of this, but hey nothing gets in the way of a good story) and they're going to suddenly kowtow to Russell Wilson and trade a top 5 QB they build the team around in his prime because you know that's what Pete and John are known for, trading players that demand trades or pay increases or what not in their prime because they've done it so often before.
Like I've been saying, you all are being led around by the noses by the media without thinking about how Pete and John operate and have operated for a decade. Russell Wilson isn't going anywhere any time soon, especially not while Pete and John are here.
RiverDog wrote:The 49'ers did pretty well after they parted ways with Montana and the Packers still kept winning after Favre, so it can be done. But that's not the point. I don't think anyone in here, at least not me, is advocating a trade. The discussion has mostly been about the possibility of a trade and the rift between Russell and Pete, not whether or not we're looking forward to a trade.
Aseahawkfan wrote:So once again I ask, what teams have been successful trading their top 5 QBs in their prime years? I really want to know how successful teams have been since a handful of Seattle fans seem to think this is a good idea. They must be basing this on some track record of teams trading top 5 QBs in their prime and somehow becoming better teams. There must be a strong precedent for this as no one would be so stupid enough to trade a Top 5 QB in their prime if there wasn't a strong track record of this working.
NorthHawk wrote:If a QB (or any player probably but QB for certain) isn't happy, the team knows about it and it affects them.
Can an unhappy QB lead the others if he's not all in himself? There's some major repair work to be done with Wilson and Carroll and if they can't patch it up then maybe they will have to part ways.
If that's the case and they can't get on the same page, would it be better to trade him this year or next? From a perspective of receiving compensation via trade, this year makes more sense because
he will be a year older and may not have a great year next year if he's unhappy or angry. The next couple of weeks will be crucial as to whether he should stay or go - unless the Seahawks decide to
part ways with an older HC.
curmudgeon wrote:Interesting yes. Will Seattle trade Wilson and rebuild or fire Carroll/Schneider and install Wilson as the first player/GM in NFL history?.....
Aseahawkfan wrote:Getting rid of Russell Wilson can put us down for over a decade. All we would spend the 1st round picks on is trying to find another Russell Wilson.
RiverDog wrote:OK, time to stop this nonsense. Which one of us in this forum has been taking about "getting rid of Russell Wilson"? Who in the hell are you talking to? Me? North Hawk? Obi? Hawktalk? Sam? 86? Sis?
c_hawkbob wrote:The conversation had just turned to an either/or between Pete and Russ Riv. This isn't the first time "getting rid of Russ" had been at least approached in this thread if not actually broached.
RiverDog wrote:Here's an interesting piece from John Clayton regarding the teams that Russell's agent said he's supposedly considering as a possible landing spot:
https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1325175/ ... pAFbVBi8vc
RiverDog wrote:More smoke:
Where there's smoke, there's fire, as they say regarding NFL rumors. And when it comes to Russell Wilson and the Seattle Seahawks, well, the smoke just keeps flowing. Weeks after CBS Sports NFL insider Jason La Canfora first indicated teams could begin trying to pry Wilson out of Seattle, and days after the quarterback's own agent identified preferred landing spots, ESPN's Dianna Russini reports that the Seahawks have begun making and fielding trade calls regarding Wilson, who remains unhappy in Seattle.
Seattle is not actively "shopping" the star QB, Russini said Thursday, "but calls made from other teams inquiring have been answered." Not only that, she told the "Pat McAfee Show," but the Seahawks have made their own calls regarding the QB.
"It's a real thing where Russell Wilson is not happy there," Russini said. "His agent is gonna deny that they are demanding a trade ... (but) I know there's been calls made on both sides, going to Seattle and from Seattle to other teams."
This comes on the heels of various reports regarding Wilson's unrest in Seattle. The team reportedly saw an uptick in inquiries from other teams after the QB told multiple media outlets in February he was frustrated with the club's offensive line and desired more say in personnel decisions. The Athletic, meanwhile, reported late last month that Wilson and the Seahawks have increasingly been at odds in recent years, with the QB even allegedly storming out of a meeting with staff over his role and the team's offensive strategy.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2021 ... -and-more/
Like I said, the story just won't go away.
NorthHawk wrote:Wilson is very conscious of his image so if this had no merit he would have said so in no uncertain terms.
Instead his team has given a list of teams he would be willing to go to.
Our FO in the meantime has gone from not answering the phone calls to stating the bidding would start at 3 first round picks.
When both sides move in their own directions the possibility that something is wrong is greatly increased. There are now stories
that the Bears are getting ready to make a big run at Wilson.
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