kalibane wrote:Well yeah that's why pretty much everyone sees OL as the biggest need. The only debate has been how aggressive (or in my opinion reckless) the front office should be in addressing that need.
kalibane wrote:Perhaps, but it's cheaper to draft a mediocre offensive lineman than it is to sign one in free agency.
kalibane wrote:They need a RT and LG way more than they need a LT. Trading up for Robinson (which would cost at least 2 future first rounders in addition to this years) would be a massive waste of resources.
Steady_Hawk wrote:RD,
This is why I'm for trading up for Greg Robinson. I'm honestly not sure how Wilson made it out alive through that stretch of injured lineman, but I'm not willing to gamble that he could do it again. I'm also not willing to gamble that Okung can stay healthy either, therefore I'm willing to sacrifice more picks as our team isn't talent deficient at this point and we need a true LT anchor to protect Wilson.
nlbmsportin wrote:Trading up from 32 to the Top 5 would be one of the worst moves in the history of this franchise. If anything we need more picks to sustain depth as players start getting large contracts.
While the O-line needs to be upgraded at LG and RT, a good chunk of the sacks can be chalked up to RW's style. It is just a lot harder to protect for a QB that improvises that much.
nlbmsportin wrote:Trading up from 32 to the Top 5 would be one of the worst moves in the history of this franchise. If anything we need more picks to sustain depth as players start getting large contracts.
While the O-line needs to be upgraded at LG and RT, a good chunk of the sacks can be chalked up to RW's style. It is just a lot harder to protect for a QB that improvises that much.
c_hawkbob wrote:nlbmsportin wrote:Trading up from 32 to the Top 5 would be one of the worst moves in the history of this franchise. If anything we need more picks to sustain depth as players start getting large contracts.
While the O-line needs to be upgraded at LG and RT, a good chunk of the sacks can be chalked up to RW's style. It is just a lot harder to protect for a QB that improvises that much.
Totally agree. In fact I expect us to move out of the first round all together rather than move up, perhaps pick up a 3rd and a 7th ... this is one of the deepest drafts in recent memory for O-linemen (especially interior linemen) and WR's. Lucky us, those are two areas could do us the most good just now.
mykc14 wrote:c_hawkbob wrote:nlbmsportin wrote:Trading up from 32 to the Top 5 would be one of the worst moves in the history of this franchise. If anything we need more picks to sustain depth as players start getting large contracts.
While the O-line needs to be upgraded at LG and RT, a good chunk of the sacks can be chalked up to RW's style. It is just a lot harder to protect for a QB that improvises that much.
Totally agree. In fact I expect us to move out of the first round all together rather than move up, perhaps pick up a 3rd and a 7th ... this is one of the deepest drafts in recent memory for O-linemen (especially interior linemen) and WR's. Lucky us, those are two areas could do us the most good just now.
I also agree with both points. I really am hoping that we don't make a pick on Thursday, unless somebody very special somehow falls to us. Our O-line is a huge need and will be addressed in the draft. I also see WR and even DE a need as well. Really if we can get a starting quality Leo or OL I would be very happy. If we pick a WR it needs to be a better guy than just starting quality or league average, IMO. It would have to be a stud type of #1 potential WR. At DE and OL (especially OL) we only need an average starter and it would be an upgrade to what we had last year. Don't get me wrong, I am hoping for a stud at all of those positions, but the OL and Leo DE we have on the roster now are league average at best.
HumanCockroach wrote:Bennett and Avril were/ are FAR more productive ends than it seems people want to give them credit for is this defense. Avril did indeed play opposite Clemmons, however, it seems people are forgetting that one of the fundamental changes the SeaHawks made last season was to flip the location of where the Leo lined up ( from weak to strong), as well as the fact that for allof Reds dominance against the run two seasons ago, last season wasn't CLOSE to the same in performance and by the end of the year Red was playing about 30-40% of the snaps, as Bennett took those from him. The QUALITY of those starters hasn't slid in the least this off season. An argument can be made for "quality" depth, or even an eye to the future ( as I doubt Seattle ponies up ten million or more a year for Avril), but actual quality of those positions? Nah, they're good in that regard. Multiplicity of the players they do have is a BIG deal to them, whether it be a d tackle that fill in for Red in the Jumbo package or a fast versatile LB/DE hybrid like Schofield/Irvin in the race car package.
Avril and Bennett start at ends ( even Carroll confirmed that). This Coaching staff KNOWS how to get the most out of the players they do have, and have shown that ability year in and year out, whether it be moving Red, trading for Clemmons or signing Bennett, I am not concerned that Scruggs, Mayowa,Schofield etc can't fill a rotational role on this D, or if they select another, because ultimately, they have proven that ability for 5 years now.
NorthHawk wrote:Since this thread is morphing into a general Draft Talk thread, Kam had recent hip surgery but is expected to be ready for the season.
Will this push a S up their board if one should fall to us? We do have Johnson as a backup so we have some comfort but who knows how they value adding another Safety?
Steady_Hawk wrote:In response to the many who may feel I'm insane, I really think Greg Robinson might be a very smart move.
HumanCockroach wrote:Saw no reason to rehash the o-line. So I didn't.
EntiatHawk wrote:I think you draft best players available. We have to trust that the team will get the O-line going in the right direction. But we all know if they can get halfway decent play out of the o-line this team is going to be a menace.
c_hawkbob wrote:HumanCockroach wrote:Saw no reason to rehash the o-line. So I didn't.
But that's how it's done man, you hash and rehash and rehash some more right up until there's no time left on the clock for your pick ... then you commence to rehashing all over again until time for your next pick.
HumanCockroach wrote:c_hawkbob wrote:HumanCockroach wrote:Saw no reason to rehash the o-line. So I didn't.
But that's how it's done man, you hash and rehash and rehash some more right up until there's no time left on the clock for your pick ... then you commence to rehashing all over again until time for your next pick.
If I was a GM or a scout or a coach or an owner, hell, even if I was a player maybe, I'm not, so I don't feel like rehashing it. I've made my position clear on the o-line, and the resources spent there, as well as the success' and failures, I understand that mobile QB's increase sack and hit numbers ( which is what Wilson is) as well as young QB's propensity to do so as well. I'm comfortable withfour fifths of the starters on that line, they only "need" I see is depth and a possible fifth starter at guard. I do believe Bowie having graded out higher than 85% of the right tackles in the league ( including those people wanted so desperately to dump money down) can handle the RT position, I like what I see from Sweezy,Okung,and Unger, I would love an upgrade over Carpenter, but haven't simply written him off completely, and am not convinced a better replacement is already on the team.
I don't believe in "pedigree" , I believe in talent, and the ability for this FO to find that talent. I don't believe that all sacks and hits can be realistically be lplayed at the feet of the offensive line, and for all of Wilson's clutch ability, don't believe "protecting" him is the only priority that should be considered at all costs to keeping this team winning SB's. He's a big part, but NOT the only part that matters, as many want to make it seem. This isn't Tom Brady, who's team can't win without him throwing for five thousand yards a season. I don't understand WHY people believe he is, that isn't what this team is predicated on ( and really NO SB winning team has been for decades). Wanting "all" the marbles simply isn't how the NFL works, and I personally am comfortable with understanding the truth in that. EVERY team has holes, and if the hole happens to be a LG I can live with that.
NorthHawk wrote:The team philosophy as I understand it is a strong Defense and an Offense built on a strong run game.
Unless Michael brings similar qualities to the run game, when Marshawn loses his edge as all RB's do at some point, our run game could be impacted in a big way.
The OL is the most important part of the Offense. With an average or less than average OL, that counterpart to the strong Defense is hampered in performance.
We saw that against the NFC West last year when they shut down the run and then attacked the edges.
It's also why the OL is thought to be the weakest link and highest priority and it can't really reach its peak by picking up last round selections, UFA's, and other former UFAs in Free Agency and hoping to find a gem.
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