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Re: Russell Wilson

Postby RiverDog » Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:20 pm

Hawktawk wrote:Heathy scratch . I agree with the coach . Hopefully
Rypien doesn’t tear it up
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Yeah, I was going to mention that Russell cleared concussion protocol, but that Hackett decided to sit him. According to the reports, Russell wanted to play but that Hackett said no. Is that really how it went down, or did they both agree that Russell wouldn't play but that they wanted to make it look like Hackett was flexing his muscle to ward off criticism that Russell is the one that runs the show while allowing Russell to polish his image as a martyr?

BTW, the thread is up to 14 pages now. I wonder what our record is?
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Re: Russell Wilson

Postby Hawktawk » Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:46 pm

Report is Hackett and GM and team doctors shut him down . I think most everyone cares about Russels Health and I’ve already wondered about some possible personality changes . In that respect I wish Russ the best .
If they are going to rehabilitate Russ to a good qb they have to take control and not let him run the show . My guess Hackett is praying Rypien goes off .
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Re: Russell Wilson

Postby RiverDog » Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:01 pm

Saints beat the Falcons to go to 5-9, which helps that Denver draft slot. It would sure be nice of the Texans upset the Chiefs, game's tied and going into OT. It looks like the Bears are going down.
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Re: Russell Wilson

Postby Hawktawk » Sun Dec 18, 2022 5:03 pm

Donkeys throttle AZ and it’s 3rd string qb . Rypien becomes the most popular qb in Denver
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Re: Russell Wilson

Postby Stream Hawk » Sun Dec 18, 2022 6:00 pm

Hawktawk wrote:Donkeys throttle AZ and it’s 3rd string qb . Rypien becomes the most popular qb in Denver

So annoying and they have suddenly scored points recently. Let’s hope for a top 5 pick. Hopefully Baker can help beat them on Christmas.
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Re: Russell Wilson

Postby Hawktawk » Sun Dec 18, 2022 6:39 pm

Maybe there’s a Qb controversy :D ryp didn’t do much . Tards had 3 picks .
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Re: Russell Wilson

Postby RiverDog » Mon Dec 19, 2022 10:15 am

Yea, the damn Broncos winning yesterday dropped us below the Bears and Cards' spot. If the Rams lose tonight, there'll be a 3-way tie for the 3 thru 5 slots, if they win, we'll be in the 4 spot. Too bad the Colts blew their game yesterday as they're a half game off that pace.

The good news is that was arguably the weakest of the Donkey's remaining games. They play the Rams next week followed by a trip to Arrowhead then close out the season at home against the Chargers.
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Re: Russell Wilson

Postby NorthHawk » Mon Dec 19, 2022 11:35 am

Broncos could win 2 of these games as KC has won the division so they might rest some key players. Their Defense is pretty good sand that usually gives a team a chance.
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Re: Russell Wilson

Postby RiverDog » Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:52 pm

NorthHawk wrote:Broncos could win 2 of these games as KC has won the division so they might rest some key players. Their Defense is pretty good sand that usually gives a team a chance.


The Chiefs are tied with the Bills at 11-3, so win or lose this weekend, HFA won't be decided by then. I don't see them letting up off the gas.
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Re: Russell Wilson

Postby RiverDog » Sun Dec 25, 2022 3:02 pm

Not a good start for Russell vs. the Rams. Two bad interceptions leading to TD's and a 17-0 Rams lead in the first quarter. Good for us, though.
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Re: Russell Wilson

Postby Stream Hawk » Sun Dec 25, 2022 3:19 pm

Unbelievable how bad he can be. The sad part is (out of desperation no Lamar) he’s my fantasy quarterback this week in semi finals - so close to the Super Bowl but I needed to Russell to have a good game!
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Re: Russell Wilson

Postby RiverDog » Sun Dec 25, 2022 3:23 pm

Yeah, both those picks were bad, one overthrown, the other shouldn't have been thrown. He's been off target, taken a couple of sacks.

Rams offense is looking good, and they're playing against a very good Broncos D. Rams are up 24-3.

Edit: Boy, what a rout! The Rams have scored on every drive in the first half and lead 31-3. Denver looks like they've mailed it in for the season. Broncos fans must be furious.
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Re: Russell Wilson

Postby Stream Hawk » Sun Dec 25, 2022 4:07 pm

Denver fans must want Russell to hit the road. He is historically bad; they must be losing their minds! He was supposed to be the savior but might actually be their worst player.

Maybe I’m feeling more due to my dumbass fantasy decision this week.
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Re: Russell Wilson

Postby RiverDog » Sun Dec 25, 2022 4:17 pm

Stream Hawk wrote:Denver fans must want Russell to hit the road. He is historically bad; they must be losing their minds! He was supposed to be the savior but might actually be their worst player.

Maybe I’m feeling more due to my dumbass fantasy decision this week.


I'm actually doing great in my fantasy league. I finished in 1st place during the regular season and am leading in my first playoff round. One of my RB's is Cam Akers, and he's scored 23 points in the first half for me.

It's going to be an interesting offseason in Denver. Russell really looks wasted, finished. I heard that last week, he didn't end a news conference with his usual "Let's Ride", just a meager "Go Broncos." I actually feel badly for him, it has to be quite a shock.
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Re: Russell Wilson

Postby Aseahawkfan » Sun Dec 25, 2022 4:22 pm

I imagine how pissed I would be as a Seattle fan if we traded for an elite QB that dropped off a cliff. It would seriously turn me off from watching and make me want the whole lot of them fired. The owners are going to have serious damage control after this season.
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Re: Russell Wilson

Postby RiverDog » Sun Dec 25, 2022 4:43 pm

Aseahawkfan wrote:I imagine how pissed I would be as a Seattle fan if we traded for an elite QB that dropped off a cliff. It would seriously turn me off from watching and make me want the whole lot of them fired. The owners are going to have serious damage control after this season.


Yep. And their current ownership wasn't in place when Russell was traded for and Hackett was hired. I can see them firing both their coach and GM. They're going to have to do something to mollify their fan base. There's not a lot they can do about Russell's contract, so they're stuck with him for the next couple of years.

Russell's numbers heading into the 4th quarter are 9-18 for 102 yards with 0 TD's, 3 INT's, and 5 sacks. Donks are 1-5 on 3rd down. Just horrible.
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Re: Russell Wilson

Postby Stream Hawk » Sun Dec 25, 2022 5:50 pm

Gerald Everett and Tampa defense may still send me to fantasy SuperBowl but unlikely.

Wow, so glad Russell is no longer on the Hawks. I don’t think they win another game. There’s a new scenario brewing that could actually give the Hawks the number one draft pick.
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Re: Russell Wilson

Postby trents » Sun Dec 25, 2022 6:04 pm

Mayfield brought his cape today and Denver's D, normally pretty stout, mailed it in. What will be interesting in the off-season is where Mayfield will wind up for next year. There are several QB desperate teams in the NFL.
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Re: Russell Wilson

Postby RiverDog » Sun Dec 25, 2022 6:36 pm

Stream Hawk wrote:Gerald Everett and Tampa defense may still send me to fantasy SuperBowl but unlikely.


I'm in pretty good shape in my league. I have a 17 point lead with Mike Evans and Justin Herbert left to play and my opponent has Kennan Allen and Zach Moss.

Stream Hawk wrote:Wow, so glad Russell is no longer on the Hawks. I don’t think they win another game. There’s a new scenario brewing that could actually give the Hawks the number one draft pick.


I saw Russell's skills in decline just as Hawktawk did, but I thought, and still think, that he has the ability to correct them, but he sure hasn't shown it this season. It was the worst game I've ever seen him play, and I've watched all of them except one. They finally gave up midway through the 4th quarter and put in Rypien.

We gotta root for the Chargers to lose tomorrow night so they don't clinch the wild card too early and have something to play for in their last game with the Donkeys. The Chiefs will put it all on the line next week as they're in a neck-and-neck contest with the Bills for HFA and a first round bye.
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Re: Russell Wilson

Postby Hawktawk » Sun Dec 25, 2022 7:45 pm

RiverDog wrote:
I saw Russell's skills in decline just as Hawktawk did, but I thought, and still think, that he has the ability to correct them, but he sure hasn't shown it this season. It was the worst game I've ever seen him play, and I've watched all of them except one. They finally gave up midway through the 4th quarter and put in Rypien.

We gotta root for the Chargers to lose tomorrow night so they don't clinch the wild card too early and have something to play for in their last game with the Donkeys. The Chiefs will put it all on the line next week as they're in a neck-and-neck contest with the Bills for HFA and a first round bye.

Russ is done and he doesn’t seem to care . Expressionless after being benched . He’s clearly overweight which makes his game pretty close to impossible to play. If 2022 Russ can’t run he’s toast .

Making terrible decisions with the ball . And yeah Geno should have took off yesterday with that open field but at least he put it right on the receivers hands . Russ throws a horrible late pick , careless wtf get me outta here throw.

Russ is young enough and he’s got the experience . Few have ever recovered from this death spiral of a QBs career . If Russ cuts back on the food , hits the gymn hard and starts playing point guard like he used to he can go awhile .
He needs to cancel Monaco and Cabo . Park the Lear jet . Fire Jake Heaps . Close your office . Get off social media . He’s got to want it more than he ever did , work harder then he ever did before . It’s not Hacketts fault . It’s not his teammates or injuries any more then Seattle or most other teams .

Can he get back ? Sure theoretically . Will he ? I’m not sure he’s starting in Denver , next year it’s surely a question . The linemen and Rypien were in some shouting match apparently involving Wilson .

It looked like that great denver defense just quit playing in that game watching little roly poly waddle around throwing it away . I don’t care if you have 160 million and 4 draft picks in the guy . If he can’t play he can’t . It’s like an abusive relationship. It ain’t gettin better . Set his ass down . I hope they don’t this year . If he was serious he would seriously restructure . Good luck . He ain’t coming back . And no sympathy . As Geno said so profoundly “ my hard times would be a dream for someone else “ . After what has come to Russ in the same amount of time no sympathy . As Warren Moon said he asked for this .
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Re: Russell Wilson

Postby RiverDog » Mon Dec 26, 2022 4:47 am

RiverDog wrote:
I saw Russell's skills in decline just as Hawktawk did, but I thought, and still think, that he has the ability to correct them, but he sure hasn't shown it this season. It was the worst game I've ever seen him play, and I've watched all of them except one. They finally gave up midway through the 4th quarter and put in Rypien.

We gotta root for the Chargers to lose tomorrow night so they don't clinch the wild card too early and have something to play for in their last game with the Donkeys. The Chiefs will put it all on the line next week as they're in a neck-and-neck contest with the Bills for HFA and a first round bye.


Hawktawk wrote:Russ is done and he doesn’t seem to care . Expressionless after being benched . He’s clearly overweight which makes his game pretty close to impossible to play. If 2022 Russ can’t run he’s toast .

Making terrible decisions with the ball . And yeah Geno should have took off yesterday with that open field but at least he put it right on the receivers hands . Russ throws a horrible late pick , careless wtf get me outta here throw.

Russ is young enough and he’s got the experience . Few have ever recovered from this death spiral of a QBs career . If Russ cuts back on the food , hits the gymn hard and starts playing point guard like he used to he can go awhile .
He needs to cancel Monaco and Cabo . Park the Lear jet . Fire Jake Heaps . Close your office . Get off social media . He’s got to want it more than he ever did , work harder then he ever did before . It’s not Hacketts fault . It’s not his teammates or injuries any more then Seattle or most other teams .

Can he get back ? Sure theoretically . Will he ? I’m not sure he’s starting in Denver , next year it’s surely a question . The linemen and Rypien were in some shouting match apparently involving Wilson .

It looked like that great denver defense just quit playing in that game watching little roly poly waddle around throwing it away . I don’t care if you have 160 million and 4 draft picks in the guy . If he can’t play he can’t . It’s like an abusive relationship. It ain’t gettin better . Set his ass down . I hope they don’t this year . If he was serious he would seriously restructure . Good luck . He ain’t coming back . And no sympathy . As Geno said so profoundly “ my hard times would be a dream for someone else “ . After what has come to Russ in the same amount of time no sympathy . As Warren Moon said he asked for this .


Yesterday was rock bottom, a total humiliation. They got absolutely hosed by a very lame Rams club. It was also the worst performance I've ever seen out of Russell, and I agree, he looks wasted, done.

I agree completely that Russell asked for this, maybe even deserved it somewhat, but that doesn't mean we can't have a bit of sympathy for what he's going through. Say what you want about him, but he was a huge part, arguably the biggest part, of what was the best period of Seahawk football ever and was instrumental in giving us our first and only Lombardi. He's a decent, law-abiding guy, doesn't prowl massage parlors, doesn't drive drunk on urban freeways. There's a lot worse personalities out there.

As far as a matter of practicality, it would have been a lot better for us if the Cards would have beaten the Bucs last night. Brady looks almost as bad as Russell, does nothing but check the ball down. His apologists have claimed his performance is related to their lack of a running attack, but they gained 115 yards on the ground. The problem with the Cards is they don't have a QB and would have run them off the field had they had even an average QB. They'll be the worst team to make the playoffs.

Gotta hope that the Chargers lose tonight so they have something to play for in Week 18 vs. the Donkeys.
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Re: Russell Wilson

Postby govandals » Mon Dec 26, 2022 5:42 am

RiverDog wrote:
I'm actually doing great in my fantasy league. I finished in 1st place during the regular season and am leading in my first playoff round. One of my RB's is Cam Akers, and he's scored 23 points in the first half for me.


I'm right there with you Riv, Thanks to Cam Akers I'm in my fantasy SB as well. I was second in my league in points when I lost Cooper Kupp for the year. I squeaked in as the 4th seed and won this week BY LESS THAN ONE POINT! Thank you Cam Akers!
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Re: Russell Wilson

Postby govandals » Mon Dec 26, 2022 5:48 am

Aseahawkfan wrote:I imagine how pissed I would be as a Seattle fan if we traded for an elite QB that dropped off a cliff. It would seriously turn me off from watching and make me want the whole lot of them fired. The owners are going to have serious damage control after this season.


Maybe as pissed when Pete sent 2 firsts for Jamal Adams?? lol
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Re: Russell Wilson

Postby RiverDog » Mon Dec 26, 2022 5:59 am

RiverDog wrote:I'm actually doing great in my fantasy league. I finished in 1st place during the regular season and am leading in my first playoff round. One of my RB's is Cam Akers, and he's scored 23 points in the first half for me.


govandals wrote:I'm right there with you Riv, Thanks to Cam Akers I'm in my fantasy SB as well. I was second in my league in points when I lost Cooper Kupp for the year. I squeaked in as the 4th seed and won this week BY LESS THAN ONE POINT! Thank you Cam Akers!


I picked up Akers late and only started starting him a couple weeks ago. I might not have started him yesterday had Tyler Lockett not been hurt. I have a 24 point lead and an 80% chance of winning my first round. So long as Zach Moss and Keenan Allen don't go off tonight, I should be good.

Although Russell's performance was by far the worst, there was a lot of bad quarterbacking yesterday. Tua threw three interceptions in three consecutive drives to torpedo the Dolphins.

The Chargers losing tonight would benefit us in two ways as it would give the Colts 5 wins and put some distance between their draft slot and Denver's.
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Re: Russell Wilson

Postby Hawktawk » Mon Dec 26, 2022 6:10 am

River here we go again brother. Russel Wilson was a great guy in the community. Nothing phony about children's hospital or the foundations hes started or being a dad to Ciaras kids too which is highly underrated. If its Future or Russ as a father figure its easy.
One of the faces of the sport with the most popular jersey in the sport at one point. He was the point guard for a ground and pound and take a shot offense and the LOB and we know the history although it rang very hollow in the later years. Meager. But 2 trips to the championships a lombardi is what it is. Forever grateful.

But it was what happened on the way out really the last few years that can turn people.

Learning about the locker room discord , the special treatment he demanded. Harassing coaches about how often he got to throw. Then his disingenuous statements about the trade, then leaving and making the winning city comments, then the "mental leaders already here so its not all on my shoulders" comments made literally days before the opener in seattle. A team spokesman came out and cleaned those up saying they in no way reflected on his former teammates.

Looking at reactions from his own guys that went to war with him , wow I got called a hater for saying less many months before they broke their silence.

There's no sympathy here per se although my anger has cooled. It's more like a train wreck now, you gotta watch. I still chuckle when he gets sacked along with everyone in the room but I wish him well.

I worry about his brain, I do and i've said it before. 2 weeks ago he had one of the more frightening concussions of any QB ive seen in a while and he looked absolutely lost.
But it occured because he got run down from behind by a defensive end because hes not cut, looks heavy and slow and i've heard it reported on in denver media.

I feel bad for the fans. That old grey haired Denver fan sitting all alone in his Wilson Jersey looking like someone he knew died as the game was ending. That guy I relate to. Joe 6 pack who went to sofi and spend money he didn't have to watch his team and sat through that. I've got Denver fans as friends. Great people. They bleed as much orange as we do blue. so many thought they hit they mother lode and I tried to warn them. I feel real bad for them.
Russ? wish him well. Next year. But I think hes done.It will be interesting what Denver does next year.
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Re: Russell Wilson

Postby obiken » Mon Dec 26, 2022 6:11 am

You have to let it go Hawky hes gone man. It just doesnt matter anymore buddy.
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Re: Russell Wilson

Postby Hawktawk » Mon Dec 26, 2022 6:26 am

RiverDog wrote:
Although Russell's performance was by far the worst, there was a lot of bad quarterbacking yesterday. Tua threw three interceptions in three consecutive drives to torpedo the Dolphins.

The Chargers losing tonight would benefit us in two ways as it would give the Colts 5 wins and put some distance between their draft slot and Denver's.


Tuas MVP candidacy is derailed for sure. :D In hindsight Genos performance wasn't to bad compared to some of these guys :lol: :lol: :lol: Its late Dec. Everyone's hurting. Not aware of anyone except Mayfield whose comp % is going up. Its a crap shoot this year. I swear get in the tourney anything is possible this season.
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Re: Russell Wilson

Postby RiverDog » Mon Dec 26, 2022 7:14 am

The odd thing about yesterday's quarterbacking debacle is that they didn't have the weather to blame as all 3 games were held in the Sun Belt. Nearly all the Saturday venues had sub-freezing temperatures, some with wind and snow.

I don't think Tua had much of a chance at the MVP even before his performance yesterday. Almost by definition, you have to give the MVP to a player on a team that at least wins their division. That likely means Jalen Hurts, Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow, or Josh Allen. The Dolphins are 8-7 and could end up in the cellar of their division.
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Re: Russell Wilson

Postby Hawktawk » Mon Dec 26, 2022 9:03 am

obiken wrote:You have to let it go Hawky hes gone man. It just doesnt matter anymoret buddy.

It’s the Wilson thread bro and he turned in his worst game of the year and River said he felt bad for him . I pointed out why I don’t . As for letting Russ go I let him go a long time before you all did . This threads 15 pages or whatever . Lots of people want to chime in on Russ . And the state of his game is absolutely relevant for 2 more weeks whether he’s shut down or playing bad . After that I wish him good health but he’s shot as an NFL qb. He’s got 160 million reasons not to care . His post game comments “ all I can do is keep fighting “ :lol:
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Re: Russell Wilson

Postby Hawktawk » Mon Dec 26, 2022 9:08 am

RiverDog wrote:The odd thing about yesterday's quarterbacking debacle is that they didn't have the weather to blame as all 3 games were held in the Sun Belt. Nearly all the Saturday venues had sub-freezing temperatures, some with wind and snow.

I don't think Tua had much of a chance at the MVP even before his performance yesterday. Almost by definition, you have to give the MVP to a player on a team that at least wins their division. That likely means Jalen Hurts, Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow, or Josh Allen. The Dolphins are 8-7 and could end up in the cellar of their division.

I recall quite a few folks selling the Bengals after they and Joe Cool started slow . Right now they are a dark horse SB contender despite playing several games without Jamar Chase. Look out . 3-0 vs Mahomes
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Re: Russell Wilson

Postby RiverDog » Mon Dec 26, 2022 9:39 am

RiverDog wrote:The odd thing about yesterday's quarterbacking debacle is that they didn't have the weather to blame as all 3 games were held in the Sun Belt. Nearly all the Saturday venues had sub-freezing temperatures, some with wind and snow.

I don't think Tua had much of a chance at the MVP even before his performance yesterday. Almost by definition, you have to give the MVP to a player on a team that at least wins their division. That likely means Jalen Hurts, Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow, or Josh Allen. The Dolphins are 8-7 and could end up in the cellar of their division.


Hawktawk wrote:I recall quite a few folks selling the Bengals after they and Joe Cool started slow . Right now they are a dark horse SB contender despite playing several games without Jamar Chase. Look out . 3-0 vs Mahomes


The Bengals play in a weak division and they played the NFC South. I'm still not a huge Joe Burrow fan as I still think he takes too many sacks. but I can't deny his performance. They are peaking at the right time of the season.

Mahomes hasn't looked very good the past couple of games. I don't think this is their year. IMO Buffalo, my original pick for the SB, will be the AFC representative. Niners in the NFC.
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Re: Russell Wilson

Postby Hawktawk » Mon Dec 26, 2022 10:49 am

The more I look at our game with KC the more maddening it gets. We rushed for 130, forced a lot of punts. Drove the ball quite a bit between the 20s just couldn't convert. If we had simply kicked a few FGs there who knows? I dont really know who we are any more than anyone else.
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Re: Russell Wilson

Postby RiverDog » Mon Dec 26, 2022 11:09 am

To no one's surprise, Nathanial Hackett was fired today:

Nathaniel Hackett got off to a rough start, never recovered and was fired by Broncos after awful loss to Rams.

Hackett dug himself a hole with Denver Broncos fans immediately. In his first regular-season game, he made the baffling decision to run down the clock and try a 64-yard field goal for the win against the Seattle Seahawks. That kick missed, the Broncos lost and that started a string of errors that Hackett couldn't escape.

Hackett was fired by the Broncos on Monday, a day after the team was blown out 51-14 by the Los Angeles Rams. Russell Wilson and Brett Rypien combined to throw four interceptions in the loss, which once again featured an in-game altercation between members of the Broncos. It was, at least, the second time this season two Broncos teammates got into it during a game.

https://twitter.com/Broncos/status/1607 ... 96/photo/1


https://sports.yahoo.com/nathaniel-hack ... 19147.html

The statement seems to indicate that they're sticking with their GM George Paton, who orchestrated the trade and extended Russell's contract. I would have thought that they would have axed him, too.

It's pretty clear that Hackett had lost the team. The article refers to an incident during yesterday's game where there was a confrontation between backup QB Bret Rypien and one of the Broncos' offensive linemen. I'm pretty sure that the other incident they're talking about was when defensive lineman Mike Purcell yelled at Russell Wilson during a game a few weeks ago. That stuff happens all the time in the NFL, but when you're losing, especially in a b**** slapping like what happened yesterday, it tends to get magnified. Plus, a very good defense appears to have mailed it in yesterday. There's not a whole lot of alternate explanations why a team like the Rams could hang a 50 burger on a defense as good as Denver's is other than the Broncos just gave up.

The question now is who in the hell is going to want to walk into that dumpster fire, with little draft capital and scant cap space to rebuild the team with and married to an underperforming quarterback that the fan base is ready to hang.
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Re: Russell Wilson

Postby NorthHawk » Mon Dec 26, 2022 11:55 am

There’s always someone who wants to be an Nfl HC.
Whoever it is would be advised to get a multi year guaranteed contract because of the lack of good draft choices
this year.

But they aren’t bereft of talent, they need an experienced and solid coaching staff who knows how to get the team
on the same page and how best to use the talent they have. Organization seems to be the problem with Hackett.

It would be a shame for them to win out and for us to slip from the 2nd or 3rd choice to 5 or 6.
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Re: Russell Wilson

Postby Hawktawk » Mon Dec 26, 2022 12:33 pm

Mark Rodgers called George Paton and said you don’t bench my guy . Jk. Sort of .

Paton should be gone as well . He made this disastrous trade . He hired Hackett . Worst of all he took a guy with 6 wins last year and already making 35 million per and bumped him before he ever played a down . People say Jodi is clueless . Russ fired Hackett by what he’s done to this team . I wonder if he will ever get another chance .
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Re: Russell Wilson

Postby RiverDog » Mon Dec 26, 2022 1:06 pm

NorthHawk wrote:There’s always someone who wants to be an Nfl HC.
Whoever it is would be advised to get a multi year guaranteed contract because of the lack of good draft choices
this year.

But they aren’t bereft of talent, they need an experienced and solid coaching staff who knows how to get the team
on the same page and how best to use the talent they have. Organization seems to be the problem with Hackett.

It would be a shame for them to win out and for us to slip from the 2nd or 3rd choice to 5 or 6.


Of course, there is. But a good candidate with options that has any common sense about him are not going to choose Denver. If they're a good OC, say Eric Bieniemy of the Chiefs or an experienced HC like Sean Payton or Doug Pederson, there's other, more attractive openings that are set up better than the Broncos. They are likely to end up with someone with very little experience.

The big problem is going to be Russell Wilson. Any decent candidate is going to want their own QB or one that they can groom and not have to be saddled with a quarterback whose skill set has obviously deteriorated and has now developed a reputation as a coach killer.
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Re: Russell Wilson

Postby Aseahawkfan » Mon Dec 26, 2022 3:24 pm

RiverDog wrote:Of course, there is. But a good candidate with options that has any common sense about him are not going to choose Denver. If they're a good OC, say Eric Bieniemy of the Chiefs or an experienced HC like Sean Payton or Doug Pederson, there's other, more attractive openings that are set up better than the Broncos. They are likely to end up with someone with very little experience.

The big problem is going to be Russell Wilson. Any decent candidate is going to want their own QB or one that they can groom and not have to be saddled with a quarterback whose skill set has obviously deteriorated and has now developed a reputation as a coach killer.


Not even sure who the options are. Any coach going there is definitely going to have to believe they can recover Russell Wilson or just be desperate for a HCing job.
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Re: Russell Wilson

Postby RiverDog » Mon Dec 26, 2022 3:32 pm

RiverDog wrote:Of course, there is. But a good candidate with options that has any common sense about him are not going to choose Denver. If they're a good OC, say Eric Bieniemy of the Chiefs or an experienced HC like Sean Payton or Doug Pederson, there's other, more attractive openings that are set up better than the Broncos. They are likely to end up with someone with very little experience.

The big problem is going to be Russell Wilson. Any decent candidate is going to want their own QB or one that they can groom and not have to be saddled with a quarterback whose skill set has obviously deteriorated and has now developed a reputation as a coach killer.


Aseahawkfan wrote:Not even sure who the options are. Any coach going there is definitely going to have to believe they can recover Russell Wilson or just be desperate for a HCing job.


Yep. That contract that the Broncos signed with Russell is extremely restrictive:

Usually there are ways to move out of big money contracts, but Wilson's contract is structured in a way that would make it incredibly painful for the Broncos cap to cut bait after the 2022 season. Wilson is set to take an $107 million dead cap hit if the Broncos cut him, and an $82 million dead money charge if he's traded pre-June 1.

Whether that would be by trade or he would be cut, the consequences for the Broncos could be astronomical in the coming years

Year Dead money (Cut) Dead money (Trade)

2023 $107 million $82 million
2024 $85 million $68 million
2025 $49.6 million $49.6 million
2026 $31.2 million $31.2 million
2027 $12.8 million $12.8 million
2028 $4.4 million $4.4 million

Cap savings say that the most realistic option for the Broncos to move on from him is after the 2025 season, when they'll incur that $49.6 million dead cap charge but save $5.8 million against their cap.

If Wilson is on the roster of the fifth day of the 2024 league year, then his salary becomes fully guaranteed — thus complicating matters even further.

All that to say: Russell Wilson probably isn't going anywhere anytime soon, and whoever the next head coach is will have a big reclamation project on his hands.


https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/new ... gyvzddwwdo

Now who in their right mind, seeing what we've witnessed this season, is going to want to take on that challenge?
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Re: Russell Wilson

Postby Aseahawkfan » Mon Dec 26, 2022 3:38 pm

RiverDog wrote:Yep. That contract that the Broncos signed with Russell is extremely restrictive:

Usually there are ways to move out of big money contracts, but Wilson's contract is structured in a way that would make it incredibly painful for the Broncos cap to cut bait after the 2022 season. Wilson is set to take an $107 million dead cap hit if the Broncos cut him, and an $82 million dead money charge if he's traded pre-June 1.

Whether that would be by trade or he would be cut, the consequences for the Broncos could be astronomical in the coming years

Year Dead money (Cut) Dead money (Trade)

2023 $107 million $82 million
2024 $85 million $68 million
2025 $49.6 million $49.6 million
2026 $31.2 million $31.2 million
2027 $12.8 million $12.8 million
2028 $4.4 million $4.4 million

Cap savings say that the most realistic option for the Broncos to move on from him is after the 2025 season, when they'll incur that $49.6 million dead cap charge but save $5.8 million against their cap.

If Wilson is on the roster of the fifth day of the 2024 league year, then his salary becomes fully guaranteed — thus complicating matters even further.

All that to say: Russell Wilson probably isn't going anywhere anytime soon, and whoever the next head coach is will have a big reclamation project on his hands.


https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/new ... gyvzddwwdo

Now who in their right mind, seeing what we've witnessed this season, is going to want to take on that challenge?


I think Sean Payton would do it, but Denver has no draft capital to get him.

I don't keep up with coaches enough to know any others who might be interested and do a good job.
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Re: Russell Wilson

Postby Hawktawk » Mon Dec 26, 2022 8:38 pm

Sean Payton would have zero interest in the job imo. Wilson can’t be fixed . It’s a ridiculous thing to ask any coach to do . Fix an 11 year vet with well over 100 wins , 300 TD passes and a Lombardi . It’s called washed up . It can’t be fixed . It could be mitigated if he was in a super run heavy offense. Like Elway in the end of his career .But the only coach taking that under the condition they start Wilson is a first timer or some retread coach that hasn’t done much .
As always I’ll stand corrected if wrong .
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