c_hawkbob wrote:I read every one. I do take them with a grain though, for instance didn't Sataoa start? And even play every snap?
c_hawkbob wrote:Understood. It'd be nice if they gave a "for this game" grade, but we work with what we have. That does help explain the 29.3 grade though, he may have put up some pretty poor spot performances earlier, because to earn a grade like that for a single game he'd have stood out like a smashed thumb, and that wasn't what I saw Sunday.
NorthHawk wrote:I occasionally catch some shows and the people on them often say things like PFF graded player X at say 79 this last game. So I wonder if there is some way to drill down to see the individual weekly ratings.
mykc14 wrote:I definitely appreciate these. I read them every time you put them out, thanks!
River Dog wrote:I haven't done this for a while as there didn't seem to be a lot of interest in these rankings, but since I'm bored, I'll send out a for-what-it's-worth discussion topic on our guys PFF rankings and their relative position within the league along with the leader at each position.
The number in parathesis following the position is the number of players that met the minimum snap requirements to receive a ranking. This is significant as it puts the ranking in perspective. For example, Julian Love's #7 ranking, or top 8% of 90 ranked safeties, is far more impressive than Geno Smith's #9 ranking, or top 23%, of 39 ranked quarterbacks.
QB (39) Geno Smith T-#9. Top Ranked: Lamar Jackson, Ravens.
WR (117) Jaxon-Smith Njibia # 20, DK Metcalf #32, Tyler Locket #52, Jake Bobo #114. Top Ranked: Nico Collins, Texans.
RB (60) Kenneth Walker #5, Zach Charbonnet #34. Top Ranked: Derrick Henry, Ravens.
TE (77) Noah Fant, #39, AJ Barner T-#45, Pharoah Brown, #68. Top Ranked: George Kittle, Niners.
Center (39) Top Ranked: Conner Williams #17. Creed Humphrey, Chiefs.
OG (73) Laken Tomlinson, #42, Anthony Bradford #70. Top Ranked: Chris Lindstrom, Falcons.
OT (76) Charles Cross, #11. Stone Forsythe, #73. Top Ranked: Jordan Mailata, Eagles.
CB (113) Devon Witherspoon, T-#24. Tre Brown, #99. Josh Jobe, #110. Top Ranked: Pat Surtain, Broncos.
Safety (90) Julian Love, #7. Coby Bryant, T-#17. Rayshawn Jenkins, #78. Top Ranked: Kerby Joseph, Lions.
LB (83) Tyrice Knight, #31. Ernest Jones, #41. Top Ranked: Zach Baun, Eagles.
DT (131) Leonard Williams, #4. Jarran Reed, #35. Byron Murphy, #64. Roy Robinson-Harris, #81. Jonathan Hankins, #130. Top Ranked: Cameron Heywood, Steelers.
Edge (114): Boye Mafe, T-#30. Derrick Hall, T-#60. Dre Mont Jones, #101. Top Ranked: Adian Hutchinson, Lions.
Random notes: Russell Wilson is ranked #13 amongst QB's. If Olu Oluwatimi had met the minimum snap requirement, his grade would earn him a #17 ranking amongst centers. At guard, Christan Haynes received a 50.1 ranking, which would put him just ahead of Anthony Bradford at #70, and Sataoa Lauema received a 29.3 grade, one of the worst I've seen at any position.
At tackle, Abe Lucas received a 62.4 grade and George Fant received a 61.3 grade. Abe would rank #56, Fant #58.
I'd appreciate some response if you guys think this is worth my efforts.
Oly wrote:I do appreciate these, but don't comment enough. Some thoughts:
-They must do a good job accounting for OL play for Walker to be #5. He's #32 in yards with a 3.7 YPC average.
-Will we ever get a great TE?
-Those grades flatter our OGs, especially Tomlinson.
-There is no f-ing way there are 23 better CBs than Spoon. Add in the passion and leadership, and he's Top 10 for me.
-A bit disappointed that Murphy is as low as he is, but from what I've heard DT is one of the positions that takes longer to adjust to the NFL. What is Jalen Carter's rating, if I can ask. I know the league was gushing over him his rookie year (I am glad the Hawks didn't draft him) but I am wondering if I have crow to eat.
Aseahawkfan wrote:These things are not my cup of tea as I've already expressed. I only care about one team: Seattle. I can see their problems on the field and knowing the team.
I imagine these types of sites are useful to fantasy football and similar types of games. Not as much to the fan of a single team.
If it gives some people something fun to look at, why not?
River Dog wrote:Fantasy football is all about yards and points scored. I don't see how these rankings could figure into start'em, sit'em decisions for FF, at least not the rankings and grades that I've posted as these rankings and grades incorporate things like blocking, broken tackles, and other intangible observations that can't be quantified with a number or stat. However, PFF does have a Fantasy Football section, but I've never used it.
With the exception of the top players at each position, the information I've posted in this thread is all about the Seahawks. Why wouldn't it interest a dedicated Seahawks fan like you to compare what you see on the field with what the rankings and grades show?
For what it's worth, I've found that the majority of these rankings and grades conform with what I see on the field, but there are exceptions. One is that I think that they have Geno Smith ranked too high, that he throws too many interceptions, particularly red zone interceptions. But the offensive line grades are right on the money. Our OL, particularly our guards, really suck. And I agree with Kenneth Walker's lofty ranking as a running back. Walker is a good example of how these rankings aren't much good for Fantasy Football. PFF has Walker as the 5th ranked running back, yet he's only the 19th ranked RB in fantasy points.
Aseahawkfan wrote:Rankings have never much interested me. In football, teams win and lose. The only goal is the Super Bowl victory. You know who is good on your team by watching them.
I don't know where I would rank Walker. Sometimes he looks great and sometimes he doesn't do much. The O-line impacts some of it and maybe he's not hitting the hole right. Hard to know. We're definitely not as committed to the run as much as we used to be.
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