Things to watch tonight

[RiverDog]

Things I'm going to be watching for:

Right tackle: Britt vs. Winston.

MLB: Wagner's injury sounds fairly serious, and that kid from Montana is supposedly having a good camp.

Cassius Marsh: Word is that he's an animal and having a real good camp.

Punt Returner: Will they put Earl back there? Tell him just to fair catch the first few punts and let him get used to watching the coverage?

RB: Can Cristine Michael block?

[kalibane]

Also going to be looking for:

1. How well does Richardson get off Press Coverage?

2. Does being "in shape" change anything about Carpenter?

3. My pet interest is Tharold Simon.

[nlbmsportin]

Things I'm going to be watching for:

Right tackle: Britt vs. Winston.

MLB: Wagner's injury sounds fairly serious, and that kid from Montana is supposedly having a good camp.

Cassius Marsh: Word is that he's an animal and having a real good camp.

Punt Returner: Will they put Earl back there? Tell him just to fair catch the first few punts and let him get used to watching the coverage?

RB: Can Cristine Michael block?

Wagner's injury is "fairly serious" in terms of not likely playing until the 3rd preseason game if any preseason action. Beyond that, I have not heard anything that would cause concern. We can't forget that going into last year we had all these players nursing injuries:

Irvin
Clemons
Harvin
Avril
Rice
Browner
Hill
Carpenter
Bowie
McDaniel
Mebane
Miller

I'll be looking for:

How well does Pryor play strictly as a passer?
Does Turbin run with better balance?
How does Kiero Small look as a blocker?
Does Spencer Ware have any chance of getting the 53rd roster spot?
Does Paul Richardson's speed show up on a non-9 route?
Does Phil Bates look the part to beat out Lockette?
How well does Alvin Bailey do when he also came into camp overweight?
Does Britt have even NFL-average pass protection skills?
Who pops out of Scruggs, Mayowa, Jeffcoat, and Marsh? (I've guessing Scruggs and Marsh)
Can Brock Coyle show enough to threaten Farwell's spot?
How does Horace Miller look with live bullets? He's got incredible athleticism at LB
How advanced is Tharold Simon in the system? He has the potential to make Maxwell expendable, and we are going to need it.
Does anyone look even remotely natural as a punt returner?
Just how butthurt are the Broncos?

[kalibane]

Also Christine Michael's pass blocking.

[RiverDog]

Also going to be looking for:

1. How well does Richardson get off Press Coverage?

2. Does being "in shape" change anything about Carpenter?

3. My pet interest is Tharold Simon.

I doubt that we see a lot of Richardson. He's been wearing a red jersey in practices. Carpenter will dress but might not play. Look for Hauptman to get most of the snaps.

Ditto about Christine Michael's blocking.

[NorthHawk]

I'll be interested in how the OL plays in general. How do the new guys like Hauptmann and Schilling along with Winston look on our line.
We probably won't see too much of the veterans so the progress of last years crop of additions will be of interest, too.

[mykc14]

I think this game means a lot more to the broncos than to us. We destroyed the, in the pre-season at home last year and we all know what happened in the SB. I think they come out extremely fired up and *may* have even done some game planning for us. At any rate I'm excited to see the hawks playing again!

[Bird Droppings]

The rest of the receiving group beyond the top 5 and top 2.

Turbin, who complains he was injured throughout last year, and says he's healthy now in all aspects of position. If he doesn't stay "ahead" of Michael, he's Wally Pipp.

Multiple pass rush schemes, inside and outside.

Focus on guys who probably won't clear waivers to get back on practice squad (i.e. Horace Miller, Coyle, Brandon, Gilliam, R. Allen, Daniels) ...or will they move into 53 man status?

Bowling Ball Kiero Small smashing LB's at the second level.

E. Winston and W. Smith still got "IT"?

And, yeah, Sportin', let's see what phreak Horace Miller astounds us with, good or bad.

And, will a career blow up on Pryor tonight, or will he paste into the final 53?

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[RiverDog]

I think this game means a lot more to the broncos than to us. We destroyed the, in the pre-season at home last year and we all know what happened in the SB. I think they come out extremely fired up and *may* have even done some game planning for us. At any rate I'm excited to see the hawks playing again!

I seriously doubt that Denver views this game any differently than the Hawks do, which is nothing more than a glorified scrimmage. Peyton won't play more than the first series, if that.

It's for that reason, ie a glorified scrimmage, that I can't get too excited about tonight's game. As a matter of fact, I won't be watching the majority of it live.

[rottweiler]

Camel toe on the Bronco girls.

[Hawkstar]

Ive seen enough of ET returning punts. Love the guy, but there has to be someone else.

[HumanCockroach]

Cops reloaded? Yea! lol

[RiverDog]

Ive seen enough of ET returning punts. Love the guy, but there has to be someone else.

The problem is that it has to be someone that has another attribute worth their spot on the 53 man roster.

I wonder if they've worked out Kearse as a PR. He has great hands and did well at returning KO's.

[Stream Hawk]

Wondering why Michael is not in the running for pr. Remember, it's not like Tate ever returned punts before last season. At least not much.

[Bird Droppings]

Hey, Creek, last year at VMAC Michael was in rotation for a couple weeks with four other guys.

Nothing came of it.

In fact, both Walters and Lockette who were also in rotation continued to get looks after Michael was locked out.

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[Vegaseahawk]

Maybe they should try Richardson back there?

[NorthHawk]

Camel toe on the Bronco girls.

Lol.
And Rott is already in mid season form.
Welcome back, big dog.

[Stream Hawk]

Then harvin or Richardson. I'm thinking if harvin was both returners that would lower his presence on offense. Richardson is a good idea - dude can fly and seems shifty

[HumanCockroach]

The thing with Richardson had to do with "ball security" if I recall correctly, he has all the tools one looks for in a punt returner, in spades, with the exception ( at least in the coaches eyes) of that one MOST important attribute, and that is NOT giving the ball back after working to get it. I don't doubt they will continue to help him improve in that regard, with a hope that he will take that position at some point, whether it be soon, or further down the road. You HAVE to be sure handed, and make excellent choices, it isn't just speed and moves.

[RiverDog]

The thing with Richardson had to do with "ball security" if I recall correctly, he has all the tools one looks for in a punt returner, in spades, with the exception ( at least in the coaches eyes) of that one MOST important attribute, and that is NOT giving the ball back after working to get it. I don't doubt they will continue to help him improve in that regard, with a hope that he will take that position at some point, whether it be soon, or further down the road. You HAVE to be sure handed, and make excellent choices, it isn't just speed and moves.

IMO that is by far the single most important attribute for a punt returner. Fumbles on a punt return almost always occur within scoring range so they're instant points for your opponent, and they are extremely demoralizing for a defense that just gets off the field to have to immediately return to oppose a serious scoring threat. With the exception of a pick 6, they are the most devastating of turnovers in the game. A good return is nothing more than frosting on the cake IMO. That's the primary reason why I liked Tate so much as he never turned the ball over.

[NorthHawk]

I would rather have a punt returner who gets a steady 5-10 yards per return but doesn't turn the ball over rather than a guy who might take it all the way but is prone to fumbling at important moments (they all seem important when it happens).

[RiverDog]

I would rather have a punt returner who gets a steady 5-10 yards per return but doesn't turn the ball over rather than a guy who might take it all the way but is prone to fumbling at important moments (they all seem important when it happens).

That's what made Tate so good. He got those 5-10 yards and didn't turn the ball over....plus he was always a threat to break one, like he did last season against Tampa Bay on a play many credit with a triggering our second half turnaround. IMO Tate was the best punt returner we've had since Bobby Edmonds. He won't be easy to replace.

[political football]

Christine Michael is for real what a run

[political football]

Terrell Pryor , Christine Michael are on tonight Wow !

[RiverDog]

Terrell Pryor , Christine Michael are on tonight Wow !

Hey, PF! Great to see ya!

[political football]

I'm back.......wouldn't miss it for the world we are raining champs now So excited to have seen this Chargers game. Can't wait for the bears they will be fun. Tonight we had a great running game. Our ground game was on. Paul Allen must really be happy about the QB situation now. We had 4 sacks tonight 2 by Scofield. Just a power rush straight to the QB Pete Carroll was real excited about him. Same old Russell Wilson too. Bring on the Chicago Bears its going to be fun at Century Link.

[Anthony]

Terrell Pryor , Christine Michael are on tonight Wow !

1-4 is on for a QB? Really? Yeah know CM good, TP bad

[Anthony]

Pryor should have been 2 for 4, as Helfet dropped one.

Great then he is at 50% still bad, all QB suffer from some drops, but really 50% complt and some of you are happy. wow

So lets see to date he is 10-20 50% complt, 147 yards, 1 int 0 tds, 49 qb rating and you think that is good? WOW , I mean that is horrible.

[NorthHawk]

Pryor should have been 2 for 4, as Helfet dropped one.

Great then he is at 50% still bad, all QB suffer from some drops, but really 50% complt and some of you are happy. wow

So lets see to date he is 10-20 50% complt, 147 yards, 1 int 0 tds, 49 qb rating and you think that is good? WOW , I mean that is horrible.

He's never going to be Russell Wilson. If he had that ability he would be touted as a can't miss HoF QB like they are doing with Luck.
That being said, they want to develop him - or at least see if he can progress to be conservative and make the right plays. If he can show he won't be risking turnovers, he might challenge Jackson as the backup.
I can see them keeping 3 QBs Wilson, Pryor, and Daniels if Pryor can show he can play without turning the ball over. He has more athleticism than Wilson, but the game hasn't developed between his ears at this point.

[HumanCockroach]

Just don't see him hopscotching Jackson, I could see them attempting to trade him at the end of the pre season to a team looking for an upgrade at backup with room for growth in the future, or keeping him as the third QB, but beyond that, I really just don't see him as the backup here ( especially since he has made it clear that isn't what he wants, and he is only signed for this season).

[Anthony]

Pryor should have been 2 for 4, as Helfet dropped one.

Great then he is at 50% still bad, all QB suffer from some drops, but really 50% complt and some of you are happy. wow

So lets see to date he is 10-20 50% complt, 147 yards, 1 int 0 tds, 49 qb rating and you think that is good? WOW , I mean that is horrible.

He's never going to be Russell Wilson. If he had that ability he would be touted as a can't miss HoF QB like they are doing with Luck.
That being said, they want to develop him - or at least see if he can progress to be conservative and make the right plays. If he can show he won't be risking turnovers, he might challenge Jackson as the backup.
I can see them keeping 3 QBs Wilson, Pryor, and Daniels if Pryor can show he can play without turning the ball over. He has more athleticism than Wilson, but the game hasn't developed between his ears at this point.

10-20 50% complt, 147 yards, 1 int 0 tds, 49 qb


He is not showing he can even do what TP or BJ does, he is a run first, one read QB, I just rewatched the game again and number of time he went beyond his first rad was 0, and the number of times he would take off and run without looking while he was running was pretty much everytime but 1. He is not playing like a QB who can run, but like an RB who can throw.

[NorthHawk]

It's not about where he is now, it's about what they think he can be.
That's why they talked about his development when they traded for him.
Only they know if he has shown anything they like or not. From what I've seen, he might one day be an OK backup QB. I'm sure he will never be a starter here while Wilson is here or healthy.

[Anthony]

It's not about where he is now, it's about what they think he can be.
That's why they talked about his development when they traded for him.
Only they know if he has shown anything they like or not. From what I've seen, he might one day be an OK backup QB. I'm sure he will never be a starter here while Wilson is here or healthy.

He is an FA after this season, its not worth a roster spot for a guy to develop knowing he in all likelihood is leaving, as there is no way he will be ready to be a decent backup this year if ever. BJ looks better then TP.

[NorthHawk]

It's not about where he is now, it's about what they think he can be.
That's why they talked about his development when they traded for him.
Only they know if he has shown anything they like or not. From what I've seen, he might one day be an OK backup QB. I'm sure he will never be a starter here while Wilson is here or healthy.

He is an FA after this season, its not worth a roster spot for a guy to develop knowing he in all likelihood is leaving, as there is no way he will be ready to be a decent backup this year if ever. BJ looks better then TP.

What team would sign him today as a FA and a starter at QB?
I can't think of any, so he might stay and learn behind Wilson while he learns to be a Pro. I'd rather be a backup on a team with a legit chance to win than on a team that flounders because like you said, he isn't ready to start.

Of course there's always the possibility he's a bit delusional...

[Anthony]

It's not about where he is now, it's about what they think he can be.
That's why they talked about his development when they traded for him.
Only they know if he has shown anything they like or not. From what I've seen, he might one day be an OK backup QB. I'm sure he will never be a starter here while Wilson is here or healthy.

He is an FA after this season, its not worth a roster spot for a guy to develop knowing he in all likelihood is leaving, as there is no way he will be ready to be a decent backup this year if ever. BJ looks better then TP.

What team would sign him today as a FA and a starter at QB?
I can't think of any, so he might stay and learn behind Wilson while he learns to be a Pro. I'd rather be a backup on a team with a legit chance to win than on a team that flounders because like you said, he isn't ready to start.

Of course there's always the possibility he's a bit delusional...

Well if you listen to the broadcast they said he said "he takes a backseat to no one" so be might be delusional. I do not want to waste a roster spot on a guy who is not ready to help us now. Right now, base don the way he has played he is #4, and since he cannot go to the PS why bother. Also at best he would be the back up to the back up as he is not as good as TJ, and that is only if they can put BJ on the PS again. If not they would have to choose between BJ and TP and right now BJ is winning and it is not close.

[HumanCockroach]

Sorry Anthony Daniels is not clearly ahead of Pryor right now, based on the depth chart, and his performance, Pryor is indeed ahead in that race. The PS thing may ultimately play into it, but as of today, at least in the coaches minds Pryor has the edge on Daniels ( hence he plays before Daniels sees the field).

[Anthony]

Sorry Anthony Daniels is not clearly ahead of Pryor right now, based on the depth chart, and his performance, Pryor is indeed ahead in that race. The PS thing may ultimately play into it, but as of today, at least in the coaches minds Pryor has the edge on Daniels ( hence he plays before Daniels sees the field).

Or they have it that way because they know that BJ can go to the PS, and TP cannot. The reality is until the real depth chart comes out after the cuts we will not know. By the way TP played Friday and TJ did not does that mean he is ahead of TJ? No, they know what they have in both BJ and TJ, they are giving TJ every chance to prove he is better than one of them, so far as a QB he is not proving it.

[RiverDog]

I don't want to see us carrying 3 quarterbacks. If Bevell is comfortable that Pryor knows the offense well enough, then I'm for letting TJack go and run with just two QB's. That extra roster spot is too valuable to tie up with someone that probably will never see any meaningful P. Keeping just two QB's allows us to keep a player that not only offers positional depth, but can contribute on special teams, too.

[HumanCockroach]

Sorry Anthony Daniels is not clearly ahead of Pryor right now, based on the depth chart, and his performance, Pryor is indeed ahead in that race. The PS thing may ultimately play into it, but as of today, at least in the coaches minds Pryor has the edge on Daniels ( hence he plays before Daniels sees the field).

Or they have it that way because they know that BJ can go to the PS, and TP cannot. The reality is until the real depth chart comes out after the cuts we will not know. By the way TP played Friday and TJ did not does that mean he is ahead of TJ? No, they know what they have in both BJ and TJ, they are giving TJ every chance to prove he is better than one of them, so far as a QB he is not proving it.

Sorry, I'm simply not interested in debating the value of two QB's I personally do not think make this team moving forward. Pryor has had more reps than DanielsL's, run with a higher string throughout camp, and is currently listed higher than Daniels on the depth chart, what the Seahawks are doing with him is irrelevant to me, it isn't like I'm bashing Daniels here, but he has done what exactly to place himself above Pryor? His body of work is even more anemic than Pryors ( if you are prone to use last season as a barometer). Maybe Daniels slides onto the PS and Pryor is cut, not sure how that proves diddly poo, just means he "can" . Like I continue to say, I don't see Pryor making the team ( whether it be a cut, or a trade is irrelevant) and what they do with Daniels is irrelevant to that as well ( as to place him on the PS the also have to cut him). I even mentioned Daniels being slid onto the PS earlier in the thread, why you are attempting to start a debate with me on it, I have little idea.

[Anthony]

I don't want to see us carrying 3 quarterbacks. If Bevell is comfortable that Pryor knows the offense well enough, then I'm for letting TJack go and run with just two QB's. That extra roster spot is too valuable to tie up with someone that probably will never see any meaningful P. Keeping just two QB's allows us to keep a player that not only offers positional depth, but can contribute on special teams, too.

If Bevell think TP can be our backup shold Rw get hurt then he needs to have his head examined. TP is not even a back up right now, 50% complt%, qb rating 49, and whats worse that 50% is his career numbers as well. NO TO TP, except for use in the bathroom