c_hawkbob wrote:Zero sympathy for Ray. As for "freeing" him, from what? He ain't behind bars. He's already free to go about the rest of his life as he sees fit, just not in the NFL.
And if you're gonna whine about his rights, playing in the NFL is not a right, any more than being a rock star or a movie star is a right. You play in the NFL if you're lucky and talented enough to be a marketable commodity for the entertainment industry that is the NFL. If you do something stupid and public enough to reder yourself no longer marketable, no "rights" have been infringed upon.
Who cares about Ray now anyway? At this point, as ObS said; the story is about Roger Goodell.
FolkCrusader wrote:I would agree with most of the comments here. Ray Rice and his wife seem to be moving on from the incident, that's their right. The public is not as forgiving about it, that's their right. Bob put it very much the same way my wife did, his behavior did not align with what most people expect from public figures. Most people that enter the entertainment industry understand the bargain.
I also agree that the story now is about Goodell. I do not believe that the NFL "missed" the tape of him striking his wife. I believe that the NFL just tried to follow what it had done in the past regarding similar situations and they grossly misjudged how the public would react if the tapes reached the mainstream. The leading factor in the public's evaluation was really the proportionality of penalties handed down from the NFL.
Part of this started with the Brandon Browner situation where the NFL tried to hand down a one year ban for a positive test for marijuana and a whole lot of bad record keeping. Did people think Brandon should be subject to no discipline? Some, but most thought the punishment just did not fit the crime. Of course the NFL backed off and reached an agreement with Brandon and his lawyers but many still felt the penalty was way overdone.
Fast forward to this season and last years hottest receiver, Josh Gordon is under fire for admittedly poor behavior. Again, the penalty comes out very heavy handed when situations that are much more egregious are being dealt with with a slap on the wrist (see Ray Rice penalty, etc.)
Personally I think the NFL is misreading the entire situation. I think their drug policy is not in alignment with what most Americans agree with and certainly does not align with what is happening in other professional sports. The light of this policy cast against other behaviors such as assault and abuse is a proportionality problem. Of course what the NFL intends to do is keep the drug policy and up the penalty of other bad behaviors. The NFL is soon going to find itself in a chasm of morality with no way out. Seriously, out of the 2000+ players and coaches in the NFL how many do you think are involved in some sort of adjudicated behavior? How many could not stand the scrutiny of outsiders picking through their personal lives? My guess is there are a whole lot more problems out there than see the light of day. And now that their discovery has become big media business more and more people will be trying to find them.
Parents should be role models and quit abdicating the responsibility to others.
RiverDog wrote:I agree with Hawktalk on this one. The issue in this matter, at least at this point, is how the league reacted to it more so than the incident itself. The important questions are why the league couldn't have obtained the video before last week, a law enforcement official that claims they've had the video for 5 months, the light punishment that was given to Rice, and so on.
Going back and reneging on Rice's punishment is what's un American. It's called double jeopardy, and if this were a court of law, Rice would be playing in Week 3.
As far as 'feeling sorry' for Mr. Rice, I don't. His career was winding down a bit anyway and like ObS said, he's made a bundle of money. I have no respect for men that strike women, children, old men, et al, in anything other than self defense.
monkey wrote:Hawktawk, for what it's worth (this may not help your cause much) I agree with your take completely.
No one is defending his actions, no one. At the same time, I think that some context needs to be discussed here. We've had players who've literally killed people in drunk driving accidents, and shortly after getting out of jail, get caught drinking and driving AGAIN, still playing football. That's not to say that what he did is OK because it's not as bad as killing someone, I'm just offering some perspective.
Or how about this for perspective? The legal system saw the same video TMZ leaked, and let the guy go to continue with his life. Why? Because they see so much worse EVERY DAY! Again, that doesn't make it right, it's just a little perspective.
If I were an NFL player, I would be VERY upset at the way the NFL has handled this whole thing, and VERY upset at my players union's lack of handling this thing. Rice faced the NFL's version of double jeopardy when he was first suspended two games, then indefinitely for the same offense. Where's his union representation on that one?!? Especially considering the fact that a 6 game suspension is what has been AGREED ON by both sides...
This whole thing is a gross over-reaction to what was originally an under-reaction. It was badly handled from the start, but that hardly excuses the over-reaction we're seeing now.:
The NFL's image would have never taken the hit it is now, had it just given him a more appropriate suspension from the beginning; but over-reacting doesn't somehow make up for the earlier incompetence, it just adds incompetence to incompetence.
Ray Rice should be given the contractually agreed upon six game suspension, and be done with the whole thing.
Futureite wrote:At some point he may earn reinstatement by demonstrating the steps he has taken to fix his problem, but as of today he obviously has not had time to take those steps. His apology means nothing right now.
The most disturbing part to me was not the punch. It was the way he drug her out of the elevator and pushed her around like a sack of potatoes. He had no concern for her not only as his future wife, but simply as a human being. For all he knew she had a spinal injury, or head trauma, etc. He could have cared less. That response showed me without a doubt that he's done this before and would continue to had he not been caught.
And btw, Janay did next to nothing. I've heard this "she came at him" crap from some people. After being hit by Ray Lewis in practice for several yrs I am sure he could handle that tap to his face. He is definitely getting what he deserves right now. No freeing needed.
Futureite wrote:At some point he may earn reinstatement by demonstrating the steps he has taken to fix his problem, but as of today he obviously has not had time to take those steps. His apology means nothing right now.
The most disturbing part to me was not the punch. It was the way he drug her out of the elevator and pushed her around like a sack of potatoes. He had no concern for her not only as his future wife, but simply as a human being. For all he knew she had a spinal injury, or head trauma, etc. He could have cared less. That response showed me without a doubt that he's done this before and would continue to had he not been caught.
And btw, Janay did next to nothing. I've heard this "she came at him" crap from some people. After being hit by Ray Lewis in practice for several yrs I am sure he could handle that tap to his face. He is definitely getting what he deserves right now. No freeing needed.
obiken wrote:Rice is appealing and he should win the new CBA says 6 games for the first offense. The question become who will pick him up?
Hawktawk wrote:Ray Rice has won his appeal and been reinstated. In issuing her decision the Judge said that Ray HAD NOT BEEN DISHONEST in reporting what had happened and as such has faced excessive jeopardy beyond the punishment that was handed down at his first hearing with Goodell.
So I guess my point is,if Ray didn't lie.....Goodell did. I dont see how he should be allowed to keep his job if that is the case.
Hawktawk wrote:Ray Rice has won his appeal and been reinstated. In issuing her decision the Judge said that Ray HAD NOT BEEN DISHONEST in reporting what had happened and as such has faced excessive jeopardy beyond the punishment that was handed down at his first hearing with Goodell.
So I guess my point is,if Ray didn't lie.....Goodell did. I dont see how he should be allowed to keep his job if that is the case.
NorthHawk wrote:My understanding is that as Rice has now been reinstated, he can claim back pay from the Ravens which is probably in the millions. How much is left after the Lawyers are finished billing might be interesting.
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