One last Harvin thread

[RiverDog]

I'm sure there are many of you that would like to see the Percy Harvin threads will go the way of the Tim Tebow threads and I'm sure they will eventually, but I saw this article and felt it worthy of one last discussion about Percy Harvin. It seems that the Cowboys game wasn't the first time Harvin refused to enter a game this season.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foo ... -this-year

It also cites a rumor about a potential trade with the Browns for tight end Cameron Jordan after our game with the Chargers, plus there's a couple other links in that article relating to Seahawk stuff.

[depaashaas]

Pete spoke the truth, I see it's hard to game plan for him as you never know will he play or not. I figured it must have been more to it if after all you give up for him, you ship him out for just a 6th rounder. Specially if you keep in mind how much Pete and John like draft picks. This is the same FO that got a 5th rounder for aaron curry and they let harvin go for 6th. The circus may be complete now in jersey.

[NorthHawk]

I'm surprised it happened more than once.
For a Coach who's programme is built primarily on competition, a player that decides he doesn't want to compete during a game is someone who can't fit in.
If he were to be permitted to stay, other players would think that the competition mantra was fake, so Harvin had to go.

[Uppercut]

It is going to be fun to watch how it plays out within the NYJ's and Rex Ryan &Co!!!!! I can't imagine too awful long and then he will have no value.

[The POPE]

I'm just glad I didn't buy a Percy Jersey. Is Mr. Allen gonna refund all that money he took in for the "11" jerseys they sold. Come on Mr Allen give that money back to the poor souls who went out and bought one believing in the Gospel Pete was preaching. I know the big guy up above would see that as a kind gesture and who knows might even buy you a little mercy in the end.
Pete and John banished Percy to the fires of Hell (sexy Rexy's jets). What's Percy's next stop? I here The devil is down in Georgia and willing to make a deal? Well he may have relocated by now, that rumor was started about 30+years ago.

Must we always forgive as my boss says or shall we show no Mercy for Percy.
Even the Pope sins once in a while and as for now this Pope has no mercy for Percy.

The Pope

[THX-1138]

Harvin and Harvin! What is Harvin? (Sorry, just wanted to paraphrase a Star Trek episode.)

I think it's time to discuss................................................................................

Our problems with the offensive and defensive lines.

[The POPE]

Harvin and Harvin! What is Harvin? (Sorry, just wanted to paraphrase a Star Trek episode.)

I think it's time to discuss................................................................................

Our problems with the offensive and defensive lines.

Start a thread with tour thoughts on the subject and we shall discuss. I've been waiting to have a meaningful discussion regarding Mr Cable and his boys.

[THX-1138]

Nah, I don't start threads. I comment on them and read them to learn. I don't know enough about O and D line strategem. I just know that what I see isn't working.

[RiverDog]

I'm surprised it happened more than once.
For a Coach who's programme is built primarily on competition, a player that decides he doesn't want to compete during a game is someone who can't fit in.
If he were to be permitted to stay, other players would think that the competition mantra was fake, so Harvin had to go.

Mantra or no mantra, Harvin had to go. You simply cannot let a player challenge you like that and not do something about it. I can't imagine any NFL coach tolerating that kind of chit.

[Hawktawk]

Sherman and Thomas were both quoted as saying they didn't see any locker room issues with Harvin. To me that is alarming when 2 guys who just got paid think its OK for Harvin to sit himself, assault teammates, etc. Truly sacrificing for the team has become a lost tradition.It has been more widely reported that many Hawks players are annoyed with Wilson due to him not being "black enough", taking enough responsibility for his mistakes, his close relationship with the FO, and his rah rah"Go Hawks" public personna. I dunno, the more I watch this team I think without Wilson they are a bunch of 6-10 7-9 stiffs. These guys ought to STFU, get in line and follow the leader.


I hope this thing isn't going to come completely apart but my guess is a couple of more losses and things are going to get ugly. Hawks better win starting now or we will be saying it was great while it lasted but Harvin killed the future.

[HumanCockroach]

LMFAO. Christ, some just can't wait to bury their team.

[mykc14]

It has been more widely reported that many Hawks players are annoyed with Wilson due to him not being "black enough", taking enough responsibility for his mistakes, his close relationship with the FO, and his rah rah"Go Hawks" public personna.

Where has this been 'widely' reported. I heard a small blerb about the possibility of a Harvin vs. RW locker room and SPECULATION that it MIGHT be because of RW's extreme work ethic, upcoming payday, and popularity but thats it. I haven't heard anything substantial. What I have heard 'widely reported' is Harvin's anger and attitude issues caused him to clash with teammates at times, even leading to physical altercations. Also, that he refused to go back into a few games because he was frusterated from a lack of touches. I agree about the team's record without RW but I don't buy into the idea that those guys are becoming anti-RW guys.

[HumanCockroach]

Sheeple believe anything. Nothing to see here, move along.

[RiverDog]

Sherman and Thomas were both quoted as saying they didn't see any locker room issues with Harvin. To me that is alarming when 2 guys who just got paid think its OK for Harvin to sit himself, assault teammates, etc. Truly sacrificing for the team has become a lost tradition.It has been more widely reported that many Hawks players are annoyed with Wilson due to him not being "black enough", taking enough responsibility for his mistakes, his close relationship with the FO, and his rah rah"Go Hawks" public personna. I dunno, the more I watch this team I think without Wilson they are a bunch of 6-10 7-9 stiffs. These guys ought to STFU, get in line and follow the leader.


I hope this thing isn't going to come completely apart but my guess is a couple of more losses and things are going to get ugly. Hawks better win starting now or we will be saying it was great while it lasted but Harvin killed the future.

Breno G. said pretty much the same thing the other day. It doesn't necessarily imply that they're on Harvin's side, it simply means they didn't witness anything. I haven't heard any of the players flat out deny the accusations we've all heard, not even Harvin himself.

You're the first one that I've heard that has suggested that other Hawk teammates are annoyed with Russell, and I would appreciate a link or some sort of reference.

[Hawktawk]

LMFAO. Christ, some just can't wait to bury their team.

Nothing could be further from the truth. When I was venting my frustration with Harvin last year I always prefaced it with the phrase "Id love to be wrong".

As for these rumors I spent much of today listening to NFL network on Sirius radio which is where I heard these allegations discussed. I'm a terrible cut and paste and cant link to save my life but Ive read articles several places online including the one referencing Sherm and Thomas. I hope its all baloney and the Hawks are all better now. I like watching my team win. But its certainly isn't a LMFAO moment right now. Theres nothing funny about this Harvin BS and the Hawks are swirling on the edge of the playoff abyss with 3 losses already and a gauntlet on the upcoming schedule. Hopefully they pull it together but if not this horrible personnel decision will be looked at as the catalyst for disaster.

[HumanCockroach]

Really? The NFL Network is your primary news source? Now I'm ROTFLMFAO.... smh. It's about ratings man, and last I checked, nothing draws ratings like a good drama. At this point NOTHING is relevant except what happens tomorrow, and then the next day, and then the next. Focussing on a bunch of unsubstantiated, rumor, innuendo and lies, isn't productive for anyone, especially NOT the players.

Whether Sherman or Thomas, saw something, or simply dismissed it ( fights happen in EVERY locker room in the NFL, college) has no baring on how the do moving forward. The made up horseshite regarding Wilson is ridiculous, and IMHO bald faced lie, and if not,they need to jettison those players as well. Wilson is the perfect face of the franchise. Good player, good leader, well spoken and more importantly a good human being, if that means he isn't "black enough" then so the F what? Dude plays winning football, is a QB that has never before seen on a football field in the NFL, and he does so consistently. I have NEVER heard him deflect blame ONCE, ( which should perfectly exemplifie how big of a load of Shiite that is) and I've never heard a single peep from another player either. Ultimately this is Wilson's team ( period) moving forward, and players are either ON BOARD or they are GONE, it's that simple. ET and Sherman KNEW that when they signed, so even eluding to a rift there is silly.

When they signed, they KNEW he was the future of this franchise, and simply NO amount of respect or liking of Harvin would have changed that in the least.

Ignore the noise, it will be there a bit longer, but when they are winning regularly it will a bunch of nothing.

[Hawktawk]

Really? The NFL Network is your primary news source? Now I'm ROTFLMFAO.... smh. It's about ratings man, and last I checked, nothing draws ratings like a good drama. At this point NOTHING is relevant except what happens tomorrow, and then the next day, and then the next. Focussing on a bunch of unsubstantiated, rumor, innuendo and lies, isn't productive for anyone, especially NOT the players.

Whether Sherman or Thomas, saw something, or simply dismissed it ( fights happen in EVERY locker room in the NFL, college) has no baring on how the do moving forward. The made up horseshite regarding Wilson is ridiculous, and IMHO bald faced lie, and if not,they need to jettison those players as well. Wilson is the perfect face of the franchise. Good player, good leader, well spoken and more importantly a good human being, if that means he isn't "black enough" then so the F what? Dude plays winning football, is a QB that has never before seen on a football field in the NFL, and he does so consistently. I have NEVER heard him deflect blame ONCE, ( which should perfectly exemplifie how big of a load of Shiite that is) and I've never heard a single peep from another player either. Ultimately this is Wilson's team ( period) moving forward, and players are either ON BOARD or they are GONE, it's that simple. ET and Sherman KNEW that when they signed, so even eluding to a rift there is silly.

When they signed, they KNEW he was the future of this franchise, and simply NO amount of respect or liking of Harvin would have changed that in the least.

Ignore the noise, it will be there a bit longer, but when they are winning regularly it will a bunch of nothing.

I'm 100 percent with you on Wilson and also am well aware of the ratings angle employed by news outlets. But when following the NFL the network is probably about as good a news outlet as any and the only network I'm aware of that is wall to wall football.. I read the articles in Yard barker and the Wilson article is linked to the front page of the MSN website. Again its maybe speculation but it doesn't take a lot of speculating to create a story when the Hawks just traded their toy for zilch admitting to the entire world that they have again been pantsed by the Vikings. Thats what has created the media interest.

Hopefully they will be 13-3 with HFA and it will absolutely die. Or at least 11-5 and in the tournament and it will drop to a whisper. But it can surely go sideways and tear the team completely apart if they dont win...

[HumanCockroach]

Look at it this way, it would have DEFINITELY gone sideways if they hadn't made this move ( and obviously already had somewhat, or no move would have been made in the first place), so, move forward, and I expect the players to do the same. Simply don't see this as a team to implode over a receiver that ultimately averaged 33 Yards and 4 catches a game. Harvin IS a premier "talent" no matter what anyone says, but IMHO he is NOT a talent the Hawks "have" to have to win. Baldwin, Kearse BOTHad fantastic second halves in STL and I would wait a couple weeks to see if that is going to become par for the course, or if it was a "rare" instance ( something tells me the former) before sweating all the ratings graabbing rumors swirling around right now. WAY more concerned with an interior pass rush making a GD appearance at some point this season, then articles about how black Wilson is.

[Hawktawk]

Look at it this way, it would have DEFINITELY gone sideways if they hadn't made this move ( and obviously already had somewhat, or no move would have been made in the first place), so, move forward, and I expect the players to do the same. Simply don't see this as a team to implode over a receiver that ultimately averaged 33 Yards and 4 catches a game. Harvin IS a premier "talent" no matter what anyone says, but IMHO he is NOT a talent the Hawks "have" to have to win. Baldwin, Kearse BOTHad fantastic second halves in STL and I would wait a couple weeks to see if that is going to become par for the course, or if it was a "rare" instance ( something tells me the former) before sweating all the ratings graabbing rumors swirling around right now. WAY more concerned with an interior pass rush making a GD appearance at some point this season, then articles about how black Wilson is.

Nothing to disagree with here. MOF Charley Casserly and a couple other former GMs gave Seattle credit for having the stones to pull the trigger no matter the negative pr. It had to happen obviously, nobody is debating that.