Official POST Game Thread

[savvyman]

This was the first time this year (Outside of the 1st game) that the Play of the Defense reminded me of the team that won the SuperBowl last year.

On offense the same problem remains - Our Line cannot establish a pocket for protection. Everything we get on passing plays are the results of Russell WIlson legs and Play Making ability. He probably gave the Cardinal Coaching staff and fans some serious fits of anger.

Nice win - sets things up beautifully for a special Thursday night.

[NorthHawk]

The big question is hoe did we do injury-wise?
Did anyone else get hurt?

I have to give Cable credit for getting the OC's ready to play this year, though. No hugely obvious errors from any of them considering we've used 4.

[Hawk Sista]

I have not been able to see the game yet. We are eating oysters in Santa Barbara.... I kept sneaking to the bathroom to check my phone. All that to say I have no brilliant insights from the game as I have yet to see it.

I like this win!

[Futureite]

This was the first time this year (Outside of the 1st game) that the Play of the Defense reminded me of the team that won the SuperBowl last year.

On offense the same problem remains - Our Line cannot establish a pocket for protection. Everything we get on passing plays are the results of Russell WIlson legs and Play Making ability. He probably gave the Cardinal Coaching staff and fans some serious fits of anger.

Nice win - sets things up beautifully for a special Thursday night.

I sure called that game wrong. Dominant win. May the best team win 4 days from now.

[Zorn76]

Great defense today!
So nice to see.
Even with Palmer and Fitzgerald out, to hold AZ to 3 points is still a solid accomplishment.

Meanwhile, yes, our offense needs work.
OL looked like krap on too many plays, and we blew red zone chances once again early, coming away with 3 fg's (and one blocked) before getting game clinching TD, Finally, late in 3rd qt.

Pass protection is killing this offense, honestly, along with some stubborn (and dumb) calls by Bevell, mixed in with good run blocking here and there and Darrell pulling his head out just enough to assist in victory.

We are far from the team of 2013, but overall this win was very encouraging going into TNF on Thanksgiving.

Make no mistake - this is going to be a Tough Game, even though the 49ers did not look good today vs a poor Washington squad. We have our work cut out for us, particularly with only 3 days to prepare.

We cannot have a day off. We must get ready asap for yet another crucial divisional matchup.

We need win to control destiny. The Lions are slipping, but we can't count on help from them or anybody else. The Packers got lazy, but still won, and now are winning the North. Go NYG tonight, but I don't expect much, lol.

Get Ready for Thursday!

Go Seahawks!!!

[Futureite]

Great defense today!
So nice to see.
Even with Palmer and Fitzgerald out, to hold AZ to 3 points is still a solid accomplishment.

Meanwhile, yes, our offense needs work.
OL looked like krap on too many plays, and we blew red zone chances once again early, coming away with 3 fg's (and one blocked) before getting game clinching TD, Finally, late in 3rd qt.

Pass protection is killing this offense, honestly, along with some stubborn (and dumb) calls by Bevell, mixed in with good run blocking here and there and Darrell pulling his head out just enough to assist in victory.

We are far from the team of 2013, but overall this win was very encouraging going into TNF on Thanksgiving.

Make no mistake - this is going to be a Tough Game, even though the 49ers did not look good today vs a poor Washington squad. We have our work cut out for us, particularly with only 3 days to prepare.

We cannot have a day off. We must get ready asap for yet another crucial divisional matchup.

We need win to control destiny. The Lions are slipping, but we can't count on help from them or anybody else. The Packers got lazy, but still won, and now are winning the North. Go NYG tonight, but I don't expect much, lol.

Get Ready for Thursday!

Go Seahawks!!!

Alfred Morris put up 120+ in us today. Boreland, Willhoit and Dial are great depth, but they are not an elite middle. I have no idea how they'll stop Lynch. And our O is a flat out joke. I think Vernon mailed it in from day 1 this yr. I like Hawks chances a lot more now than I did just a week ago.

But every game is different and that will hold true. A wild stretch awaits in the west. Thursday will be fun.

[Zorn76]

Future - Both offenses are struggling for sure. We should have won todays game 27-6 or so. Az did miss a fg, and we had one blocked.

The game will be a dog fight coming up, IMO, and could be a bore with potential FG match. Final score could look more like a Giants game at ATT Park:)

Both teams are determined, and both want to control destiny for WC. I still think AZ gets division, but who knows.

It will make for a great Holiday.

Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.

Go Seahawks!!!

[Futureite]

Future - Both offenses are struggling for sure. We should have won todays game 27-6 or so. Az did miss a fg, and we had one blocked.

The game will be a dog fight coming up, IMO, and could be a bore with potential FG match. Final score could look more like a Giants game at ATT Park:)

Both teams are determined, and both want to control destiny for WC. I still think AZ gets division, but who knows.

It will make for a great Holiday.

Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.

Go Seahawks!!!

Absolutely sir! It is just a game and we all (hopefully).get to watch it with family.

Happy Thanksgiving!

[Zorn76]

I'll be in SF at my brother's house, kinda poetic to be watching this game in The City:)

[monkey]

Just so Riverdog knows that I do in fact criticize Russell Wilson when I think he is deserving, I'll make the following statements; Wilson is NOT being decisive enough with the ball, and Wilson is NOT doing a good enough job of adjusting the line protection in the face of blitzes!
Too often Wilson is holding the ball still waiting for someone to flash wide open, well after he either should have thrown it, or run. I have to think a big part of that is the play calling though, it's the same as the play calling I saw from Bevell when he was in Minnesota, and Favre openly rebelled against his lousy play calling. His style hasn't changed at all, and it works VERY well for certain things, like grinding out T.O.P. with a lead for example, but the passing game is definitely suffering from the play calling.

At least four times an unblocked defender either got a sack or pressure or otherwise caused a play to come to a bad ending, directly because Wilson didn't adjust the protection in the face of the blitz. I have to think that a big part of that is the loss of Unger, but Wilson MUST do a better job of identifying unblocked defenders and changing the line call to pick that up.

Having said all of that, I love me some Russell Wilson! If it weren't for him, we'd have no offense at all right now. We need to get a big target receiver in the off season SO BADLY! In fact, if you ask me, we actually may need two, one at WR and especially, one at TE.

[Futureite]

I'll be in SF at my brother's house, kinda poetic to be watching this game in The City:)

Oh ya, great place to be! Do what I do if you win. Get an ice coffee and take a walk by the bay afterwards to think about it and life. It is a great way to celebrate.

[Futureite]

PS last week I drove all the way up to Seattle Sunday night after we beat the Giants. My GF went and thought I was insane. She asked me why we were going. I said "I want to walk around Lake Washington in Kurkland". That was enough for me to drive 13 hours. And well worth it.

[obiken]

HS, the defense made a lot of plays, a pick, a blocked punt, ect, but our red zone production was horrible. However, there is no ugly win. We won we had to.
Not to sound like Pseudo intellectual HS, but IMHO, it goes much deeper. Stanton is not going to be able to get the Cards to the Promised land. PC stacked the box and shutdown their run. Then he forced him to throw on 3rd and longs with major heat, he wasn't able to. He is NOT Carson Palmer Jr. Moreover, and again just my opinion, he is not that tough and IF he goes down they are done.

So IF we beat the Niners on Thursday, the whole NFC West has just turned for all the eyes to see.

obi

[jshawaii22]

Future, I'm sure Kurkland will welcome you with open arms, wherever that is.

I only saw the 15% that NFL Red Zone showed, but I got it... No O line, No Protection and a bad-ass, (where have you been for 10 weeks) D.

js

[BelizeHawk]

Britt is rough in pass protection. Serious liability. So slow off the line. Loved our tight ends today Moeaki 4 for 34 yards, Helfet, 2 for 27 1 TD, and Willson 1 for 21. Also like Russell taking a few shots downfield. I would have liked to see Norwood come down with that one bomb. That was the kind of play Tate would have made.

[BelizeHawk]

Also, I love the crossing patterns those tight ends were running. I've been saying for weeks (to my wife who has no idea what the hell I'm talking about) that we needed to focus more on those kind of routes. Also I hate the screens... we just can't run them effectively whether it is RB or WR they've been almost all negative plays. Batted down, tackled for loss or penalized for illegal blockers downfield, I realize the screen can be an effective play but these guys cant seen to make it work. Scratch it for now Bevell.

[savvyman]

The One and Only Marshawn Lynch - Maybe my all time favorite Seahawk. I am going to savor every game he plays for us - you should too - I think this is a once in a lifetime player.


http://www.seahawks.com/videos-photos/videos/Marshawn-Lynch-meets-with-the-media/9e5ec24c-326a-42fe-b004-088a0c0d31bc

[Futureite]

Future, I'm sure Kurkland will welcome you with open arms, wherever that is.

I only saw the 15% that NFL Red Zone showed, but I got it... No O line, No Protection and a bad-ass, (where have you been for 10 weeks) D.

js

Phone error. The keys on my phone often cause me to misplace "I" with "O" and often misplace "U". I know it is Kirkland. Been there many times.'

I guess the more things change the more they stay the same. Hawks and 49ers are once again dead evenly matched. And before year's end they may again be the last 2 teams standing in the NFC. The O struggles are getting old though. I haven't seen enough of yours to comment, but I think the players on ours take turns deciding who will drop passes, fumble, or miss blocks in any given game. I am beginning to believe Mr. Sherman. Crabtree is a mediocre receiver.

[Hawktown]

PS last week I drove all the way up to Seattle Sunday night after we beat the Giants. My GF went and thought I was insane. She asked me why we were going. I said "I want to walk around Lake Washington in Kurkland". That was enough for me to drive 13 hours. And well worth it.

Why Kirkland???

[Futureite]

Her and I both love how walkable it is. And all of the boutique stores. You can go to a winebar and have a cig afterwsrds and walk around the lake. Like how you are 15 min from downtown Seattle and can see the skyscrapers, but you are away drom the hustle and bustle. We also like the views of the mountains and the coffee shops. If I moved up to the PNW I think I'd give that city a go first. If it felt too pretentious, Capitol Hill/First Hill would be my second stop.

[NorthHawk]

Just so Riverdog knows that I do in fact criticize Russell Wilson when I think he is deserving, I'll make the following statements; Wilson is NOT being decisive enough with the ball, and Wilson is NOT doing a good enough job of adjusting the line protection in the face of blitzes!
Too often Wilson is holding the ball still waiting for someone to flash wide open, well after he either should have thrown it, or run. I have to think a big part of that is the play calling though, it's the same as the play calling I saw from Bevell when he was in Minnesota, and Favre openly rebelled against his lousy play calling. His style hasn't changed at all, and it works VERY well for certain things, like grinding out T.O.P. with a lead for example, but the passing game is definitely suffering from the play calling.

At least four times an unblocked defender either got a sack or pressure or otherwise caused a play to come to a bad ending, directly because Wilson didn't adjust the protection in the face of the blitz. I have to think that a big part of that is the loss of Unger, but Wilson MUST do a better job of identifying unblocked defenders and changing the line call to pick that up.

Having said all of that, I love me some Russell Wilson! If it weren't for him, we'd have no offense at all right now. We need to get a big target receiver in the off season SO BADLY! In fact, if you ask me, we actually may need two, one at WR and especially, one at TE.

I'm thinking Russ isn't always trusting his OL and that might be part of his struggles this year.

[mykc14]

Her and I both love how walkable it is. And all of the boutique stores. You can go to a winebar and have a cig afterwsrds and walk around the lake. Like how you are 15 min from downtown Seattle and can see the skyscrapers, but you are away drom the hustle and bustle. We also like the views of the mountains and the coffee shops. If I moved up to the PNW I think I'd give that city a go first. If it felt too pretentious, Capitol Hill/First Hill would be my second stop.

Just move up here and become a Seahawk fan already! You know you want to. The second you make that choice all will be right, suddenly Sherman won't be a loud mouthed-thug but instead an educated showman who is the best corner in the league, the scales from your eyes will fall and you will see RW for the top tier qb that he is, PC won't be a cheat who left USC in the midst of a scandle but instead he will be a 'cool' old surfer guy who gets the best out of his players and clearly is the best coach in the league. At the same time you will finally be able to see the douchiness that permiates your head coach, qb, and fan base (for the most part). Do it future, come to the 'light' side (I guess that is the opposite of the dark side, right?).

[Futureite]

Mykc;

Haha I will confess one thing. And only once. For a munute or two I got the whole 12 thing. I felt and understood an allegience to the area. It is so small for a big city and so isolated. There is nothing up there to compete with the Hawks, and it does not "feel" like it does down here - which is a big maze of neverending suberbs and entertaiment options. Everyone gets behind them and feels connected to them. I "got it" and thought it was pretty cool.

But then I was disgusted with myself lol. I have been watching the 49ers since age 4 in 81' and I couldn't change now even if I wanted to.

[I-5]

So you're saying there's a chance....naw, j/k. I respect fans who are loyal to their team no matter what.

Hi Futureite...long time! Been busy with our first baby. Boy. He's already got a #3 Wilson jersey, of course.

[Long Time Fan]

Just so Riverdog knows that I do in fact criticize Russell Wilson when I think he is deserving, I'll make the following statements; Wilson is NOT being decisive enough with the ball, and Wilson is NOT doing a good enough job of adjusting the line protection in the face of blitzes!
Too often Wilson is holding the ball still waiting for someone to flash wide open, well after he either should have thrown it, or run. ............

Having said all of that, I love me some Russell Wilson! If it weren't for him, we'd have no offense at all right now.

I will use the same game and performance to say that I have nothing but praise and admiration for RW.

The numbers belie the moxie that this guy shows game in and game out. Most qbs would be only able to chuck and duck in the face of yesterday's onslaught. RW's extension of play was the only real offense that the seahawks could muster. I do wonder if any other qb could thrive in the situation that RW finds himself in?

I do however find myself screaming at the tv and RW to just get rid of the ball at times. But for every time that he holds the ball too long, he makes an escape that has positive results. As a passer RW is not much of a gambler; as a scrambler, he is a high stakes gambler. Yesterday the defense may have won the game, but RW won (back?) the confidence of the team.

[Hawktawk]

I was there with my best friend of 39 years. The pass was open,our room was ready at 9 AM at the edgewater, we got an actual seat at sluggers. I had a good feeling. PC called a great game strategically, clock management wise etc . RW is off the hook. The pass blocking was so bad...It doesn't matter what the protection calls are, guys are coming in untouched.Wilson didn't have time to throw it away most of the time. Once he tried and got a grounding call. But he had a phenomenal day passing the ball in spite of all the sacks and a couple of drops. He knew wen to hold them and when to fold them.When he was getting sacked he didn't fumble or throw it up for grabs in the face of the withering pressure and a defense with 15 picks coming in. And his feet...my goodness he just gets better at it all the time. I think he may be the most unique and dangerous dual threat QB EVER to play the game at least at this point in his career and he will post one of the highest rushing totals ever by a QB this year. Hes so intelligent about it which is what separates him from the other running QBs.Our D was sick and our pressure was so good we FINALLY got a couple hankies for holding against their offense. 12th man played hard. I drank continuously from 10 AM till 8 PM and spent 3 hours screaming at Stanton every snap. I have a Marlon Brando rasp for a voice. What a classic day!!!

This looks like a team that is ready to go down and beat some 9ers ass.

[Hawktawk]

Wheres Seahawks4 ever BTW? Got a plate of crow buddy come on in and get it....

[HumanCockroach]

Wheres Seahawks4 ever BTW? Got a plate of crow buddy come on in and get it....

Yep, "no way" Seattle can win that game. He'll be back, they always are.

[Futureite]

So you're saying there's a chance....naw, j/k. I respect fans who are loyal to their team no matter what.

Hi Futureite...long time! Been busy with our first baby. Boy. He's already got a #3 Wilson jersey, of course.

Awesome man! Start them early. And this is a great time in your team's history for that. I have great memories of watching games with my dad. I am sure your little guy will too.

[Hawktown]

I love me some #3 but i am wondering if he has failed to change blocking strategies at the line. Those defenders had a straight line to him quite a bit in the game. Is this on wilson not moving protection or is he supposed to just go with the play called and run with it. pardon the run with it pun.

[NorthHawk]

He was sacked 7 times last game. I think he's looking to run because he doesn't really trust the OL to protect him. In his case as he's also always looking down field it could be he has to refocus after seeing who is breaking through the OL - which takes a half second or so longer.

[HumanCockroach]

Wilson was hit plenty, and some of that is on his line, some of that however is indeed on Wilson. There is only 5 or 6 guys at any one time to block, if a defense brings 7 or more on a blitz, the QB needs to recognise it and adjust the play call. IMHO that happened at least 3 times on those sacks ( and Huards opinion as well). The ball has to come out, and it has to do so quick.

Ultimately, when you have a QB that extends plays, the amount of sacks are high, because unlike a QB that hits his backfoot and either throws at a receiver, or out of bounds, a QB that extends plays, moves, and then moves again, and then moves again. It is simply part of his game, and the amount of times he turns that into a huge positive play, vastly outweighs the negatives.

Wilson is indeed special, and most acknowledge it, whether players or analysts ( not named Chris Simms that is) but you kind of have to live with that stuff, just like Pittsburgh has to accept Rothlisberger getting smashed far more often than necessary. It is who they are.

IMHO Seattle could have the best pass blocking line in the NFL and still give up top 5-7 sacks in a season ( lets be clear, I am not saying they have that.). You just learn it is part of the game. I like others would love an upgraded line, but IMHO it isn't talent that is holding them back, but health, year in and year out. If that means you dump Okung, Carpenter, Unger than so be it, I don't like the idea of completely dismantling the line ( then you are waiting another couple years to see if they gel, and are effective, when you have already seen what an Unger and Okung can do when healthy, and seen glimpses of what Carpenter can do when in shape). I doubt they ignore the line ( as they haven't done so in any draft to date) this coming draft, but people banking on a first round selection might want to temper that a bit again. Odds are that first round selection will be once again spent in "skill" position guys like CB, LB, Receiver, TE or pass rush. Round two or three, probably bank on a G/T guy again.

[monkey]

I love me some #3 but i am wondering if he has failed to change blocking strategies at the line. Those defenders had a straight line to him quite a bit in the game. Is this on wilson not moving protection or is he supposed to just go with the play called and run with it. pardon the run with it pun.

There were several times when it was definitely on Wilson, other times it was definitely on the line.
When you have blitzers especially blitzers who show blitz pre-snap, coming through completely un-blocked, then yeah, that's on him not making adjustments.

[Hawktown]

I love me some #3 but i am wondering if he has failed to change blocking strategies at the line. Those defenders had a straight line to him quite a bit in the game. Is this on wilson not moving protection or is he supposed to just go with the play called and run with it. pardon the run with it pun.

Glad to see others saw this too. Thanks!

[HumanCockroach]

Most definitely. Been talking about that for three years it seems. Have noticed a much more intelligent choice in throwing the ball away , and I've learned to live with him turning his back to the defense as 99% of the time he escapes and makes a big play out of it ( though it still to this day drives me bonkers) but IMHO recognizing the blitz and adjusting to take advantage of them is something that needs work.

Though sometimes I wonder if he just trusts his escapability to much in those instances, and believes he will always somehow get away. Either way, he needs to account for the unblocked free runner ( and he did twice in the game to the best of my knowledge, but both were batted down).

He'll get it, and once thatg portion of his game is improved it will be damn hard to stop the guy.

[c_hawkbob]

I love me some #3 but i am wondering if he has failed to change blocking strategies at the line

Blocking "strategies" don't get changed at the line pre-snap. Strategies are on the coaching staff. I think you're talking about adjustments ...

The QB can change the plays at the line, and certainly can (and better) be able to recognize and use hot reads, both based on what he sees from the defense pre-snap, but the QB don't change blocking assignments. On the O-line blocking adjustments are the Center's job. The QB can point out what he see's to his back or call in his TE to an H-back position if he sees something, but up front it's on the Center.

Which is why we are a much better O-line with Max in there, it's a bigger difference with and without him than just his blocking accounts for.

[Hawktown]

Blocking "strategies" don't get changed at the line pre-snap. Strategies are on the coaching staff. I think you're talking about adjustments ...

The QB can change the plays at the line, and certainly can (and better) be able to recognize and use hot reads, both based on what he sees from the defense pre-snap, but the QB don't change blocking assignments. On the O-line blocking adjustments are the Center's job. The QB can point out what he see's to his back or call in his TE to an H-back position if he sees something, but up front it's on the Center.

Which is why we are a much better O-line with Max in there, it's a bigger difference with and without him than just his blocking accounts for.

HMMM... Thanks c_hawkbob! I did not know that was only on the center and you got it i was on to adjustments. Sorry not always the best versed.