Drew Stanton out indefinitely

[burrrton]

It was a good season while it lasted for you guys, Arizona:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12080 ... definitely

[mykc14]

Yeah, this sounds strange. He had some sort of procedure done, on his own without team doctors approval and they didn't know about it and then the team doctors were examining his knee and saw excess fluid, so they drained it and noticed the fluid was from an infection. The whole thing sounds fishy to me. I don't know how exactly but somehtings off. I do find it hard to believe that he would get some sort of outside procedure, without at least discussing it with the team doctors.

[Hawktawk]

I heard it was a stem cell procedure from an "outside source". Depending on the procedure he may have had to travel out of the country to get it.

It also looks like old Gramps Arians shat the bed by naming Thomas as the starter on Tuesday then reneging on a Friday. Has anyone ever heard of that other than due to an injury? Sherman took a shot at him for pumping up last weeks game in the media as well, asking"how did that work out for you?."
It looks like a little bit of the shine is off the COTY trophy he will likely still win.....

All that being said I wouldn't be shocked to see them squeak out a win against a 9ers team that lacks character and is in free fall. Then its a likely rematch with Atlanta who shelled them with Stanton in the lineup. So likely one and done but weirder things have happened. I wouldn't mind seeing them come back to Seattle, much more so than Atlanta.

[RiverDog]

Arians seems to be a bit off his rocker lately. He over hyped the game last week, saying that it was the biggest regular season game in the team's history and put an enormous amount of pressure on his team, then when the game is 35-6 with only minutes left, he not only leaves Larry Fitzgerald in, who has only been back from injury for a couple of weeks, he goes to him on three straight plays over the middle just begging for someone to light him up. Then to top things off, this week he changes quarterbacks so that the team has it's 3rd starting QB in as many games when he's still very much in the hunt for HFA if the Hawks were to lose. I didn't think Lindley played all that poorly given the circumstances and certainly not bad enough to jerk him for another unproven backup QB.

[HumanCockroach]

He's playing games, and he was doing it last week... He named Lindley the starter, then had "several" packages for Thomas, and then there was a decent possibility that Stanton could suit for the Seahawks game.... This week is zero different, he is playing the, " prepare for multiple options" thing ( though in this case I can't fathom the benefit). Been done before, and will be done again. I didn't believe in them as a viable threat with Stanton playing, and I certainly don't now.

[RiverDog]

He's playing games, and he was doing it last week... He named Lindley the starter, then had "several" packages for Thomas, and then there was a decent possibility that Stanton could suit for the Seahawks game.... This week is zero different, he is playing the, " prepare for multiple options" thing ( though in this case I can't fathom the benefit). Been done before, and will be done again. I didn't believe in them as a viable threat with Stanton playing, and I certainly don't now.

Yea, Arians brought Thomas in for a series last week for his 'package' plays, but I didn't see anything significantly different from what they were doing when Lindley was out there. The results were definitely no better than they were getting out of Lindley. It's just my opinion, but unless you're eliminated and you're holding auditions for the next season, I would rather try to stabilize the position so the team can adjust to their individual style than change starting quarterbacks every week. But what do I know.

[monkey]

It looks like a little bit of the shine is off the COTY trophy he will likely still win.....

Good! I don't think he deserves it!
Seriously, what's he done that's so special?
He's taken the reigns of a team with an already DOMINANT defense, one he did absolutely NOTHING to build, and just managed to do a good job with the fruits of another coaches labors.
BIG DEAL!

Seriously, I fail to see what he's done that is so special. The Cards this year were one of the single LUCKIEST teams I have ever seen ever, in terms of who they played and when, and in terms of getting lucky bounces all season long.
Yes they ended up devastated by injuries (just like the Seahawks for a while BTW!) unfortunately at the QB position, but that's sort of what you get for hanging your hat on an aging injury prone QB like Palmer...duh!
Now that the balls have stopped bouncing their way, (something which everyone should have realized would happen at some time this year, because it's inevitable that they would regress back to their mean), and they've finally actually had to play a legitimately good team, they've stopped winning like they were.

Who have they beaten this year? Name ONE team they've beaten that they can really hang their hat on... Dallas without Romo? LOL! They'd get killed by Dallas if they played them now. The Eagles? Another team that's beaten exactly no one, and is EASILY one of the NFL's two most overrated teams (the other one being the Colts, who also haven't beaten anyone or played anyone). Detroit? Please. That's BY FAR the best team they've beaten this year, and they did it while their best player was hurt...color me unimpressed!

The Cards are exactly who I've said all season they are, they are last years Chiefs the sequel. A team playing a weak schedule, and getting all kinds of lucky turnovers, which were bound to come to an end eventually.
Arians has done nothing special at all, coaching up a team full of studs that was put together by someone else.

[RiverDog]

Seriously, what's he done that's so special?
He's taken the reigns of a team with an already DOMINANT defense, one he did absolutely NOTHING to build, and just managed to do a good job with the fruits of another coaches labors.
BIG DEAL!

Seriously, I fail to see what he's done that is so special. The Cards this year were one of the single LUCKIEST teams I have ever seen ever, in terms of who they played and when, and in terms of getting lucky bounces all season long.
Yes they ended up devastated by injuries (just like the Seahawks for a while BTW!) unfortunately at the QB position, but that's sort of what you get for hanging your hat on an aging injury prone QB like Palmer...duh!
Now that the balls have stopped bouncing their way, (something which everyone should have realized would happen at some time this year, because it's inevitable that they would regress back to their mean), and they've finally actually had to play a legitimately good team, they've stopped winning like they were.

Who have they beaten this year? Name ONE team they've beaten that they can really hang their hat on... Dallas without Romo? LOL! They'd get killed by Dallas if they played them now. The Eagles? Another team that's beaten exactly no one, and is EASILY one of the NFL's two most overrated teams (the other one being the Colts, who also haven't beaten anyone or played anyone). Detroit? Please. That's BY FAR the best team they've beaten this year, and they did it while their best player was hurt...color me unimpressed!

The Cards are exactly who I've said all season they are, they are last years Chiefs the sequel. A team playing a weak schedule, and getting all kinds of lucky turnovers, which were bound to come to an end eventually.
Arians has done nothing special at all, coaching up a team full of studs that was put together by someone else.

Playing Devil's Advocate, he's taken a team that lost it's starting quarterback in the middle of the season, its backup QB 3/4 through the season, and still led them to one of their best regular season records in team history with a chance going into the last weekend to win the division and HFA through the playoffs. This despite being projected by many to be the last place team in their division. He is a deserving candidate.

[monkey]

Playing Devil's Advocate, he's taken a team that lost it's starting quarterback in the middle of the season, its backup QB 3/4 through the season, and still led them to one of their best regular season records in team history with a chance going into the last weekend to win the division and HFA through the playoffs. This despite being projected by many to be the last place team in their division. He is a deserving candidate.

Alright, then I'll ask the question back at you a different way.
Is Bruce Arians more deserving of the award than any other coach this year? That's what the mediots are all saying. The entire echo chamber is filled with the sound of Bruce Arians, coach of the year, and I am just trying to figure out what he's done that's more special than what other winning coaches have done this year. Inheriting a terrific defense, and getting incredibly lucky with the schedule and with turnovers, has zero to do with coaching,
In fact, since the ball has stopped bouncing his way so much, the decisions he's made have been mostly obvious, like try to focus on the run game, or stupid, like floundering around with which QB to start, and putting a rookie into a game in a really dumb spot etc...

He'll win, I have no doubt, the media made up their empty minds long ago on that point, but should he?
I say he's worth being in the discussion, but there's never really been a serious discussion...it's all just been the media deciding early on that he was the guy, and everyone stupidly nodding their heads in assent.

Frankly, I think Carroll is more deserving by far. BY FAR!
The two coaches do have some things in common...
Arians and Carroll both have had to overcome the injury bug. Both teams had a huge amount of players put on the IR. Of course, the Seahawks have had MORE players put on the IR than the Cards...weird the media has never mentioned that LOL!
Arians and Carroll both have had their respective teams on top of the NFC West. Of course, only one has the tie breaker because, when matched up head to head, Carroll has won both times, DESTROYING the Cards easily.
Arians and Carroll both have teams with fantastic defenses, but only one of them built that defense from the ground up, literally, the other inherited the defense, and has added essentially nothing to it.

The difference, and the reason that Carroll isn't being talked about and Arians is, is because the stupid media thinks that Cinderella stories are more interesting than stories of sheer dominance. Why? I have NO IDEA!!!
If anything the fact that Pete Carroll has coached his team through an early Super Bowl hangover/slump/injury bug, while wearing the biggest target in football, and while trading away their big play offensive player (the guy they spent the entire offseason structuring their offense around) in the middle of the season, in the middle of the week, ought to make Pete Carroll the RUN AWAY favorite for COTY. Arians hasn't done anything even remotely that hard, and when they've played Seattle, they've gotten destroyed!

I cannot think of one thing that Arians has done this year that Pete Carroll hasn't ALSO done, while actually doing it BETTER except that Pete hasn't had to coach with a backup QB.
Oh and as for the "credit" Arians gets for that, he should actually be getting DOCKED for it! After all he's the guy who went and picked up an old injury prone QB and decided to try to win now with Palmer, and a really great team that someone else built!

Why is he getting credit for thinking that Carson Palmer would be "the guy" for that team?? There's not another person with a brain who thought that!

[RiverDog]

Alright, then I'll ask the question back at you a different way.
Is Bruce Arians more deserving of the award than any other coach this year? That's what the mediots are all saying. The entire echo chamber is filled with the sound of Bruce Arians, coach of the year, and I am just trying to figure out what he's done that's more special than what other winning coaches have done this year. Inheriting a terrific defense, and getting incredibly lucky with the schedule and with turnovers, has zero to do with coaching,
In fact, since the ball has stopped bouncing his way so much, the decisions he's made have been mostly obvious, like try to focus on the run game, or stupid, like floundering around with which QB to start, and putting a rookie into a game in a really dumb spot etc...

He'll win, I have no doubt, the media made up their empty minds long ago on that point, but should he?
I say he's worth being in the discussion, but there's never really been a serious discussion...it's all just been the media deciding early on that he was the guy, and everyone stupidly nodding their heads in assent.

Frankly, I think Carroll is more deserving by far. BY FAR!
The two coaches do have some things in common...
Arians and Carroll both have had to overcome the injury bug. Both teams had a huge amount of players put on the IR. Of course, the Seahawks have had MORE players put on the IR than the Cards...weird the media has never mentioned that LOL!
Arians and Carroll both have had their respective teams on top of the NFC West. Of course, only one has the tie breaker because, when matched up head to head, Carroll has won both times, DESTROYING the Cards easily.
Arians and Carroll both have teams with fantastic defenses, but only one of them built that defense from the ground up, literally, the other inherited the defense, and has added essentially nothing to it.

The difference, and the reason that Carroll isn't being talked about and Arians is, is because the stupid media thinks that Cinderella stories are more interesting than stories of sheer dominance. Why? I have NO IDEA!!!
If anything the fact that Pete Carroll has coached his team through an early Super Bowl hangover/slump/injury bug, while wearing the biggest target in football, and while trading away their big play offensive player (the guy they spent the entire offseason structuring their offense around) in the middle of the season, in the middle of the week, ought to make Pete Carroll the RUN AWAY favorite for COTY. Arians hasn't done anything even remotely that hard, and when they've played Seattle, they've gotten destroyed!

I cannot think of one thing that Arians has done this year that Pete Carroll hasn't ALSO done, while actually doing it BETTER except that Pete hasn't had to coach with a backup QB.
Oh and as for the "credit" Arians gets for that, he should actually be getting DOCKED for it! After all he's the guy who went and picked up an old injury prone QB and decided to try to win now with Palmer, and a really great team that someone else built!

Why is he getting credit for thinking that Carson Palmer would be "the guy" for that team?? There's not another person with a brain who thought that!

Oh, I agree, Pete Carroll is far more deserving of COY than Arians. I was simply sticking up for the guy because I felt that he was a deserving candidate and did a commendable job under some very unique circumstances. You were making it sound like the guy wasn't good enough to wash jock straps.

The only caveat I would add about Carroll is that much of the abortion that represented the first 1/3 of the season, ie the Harvin debacle, was of his own doing. So give him credit for cleaning up the mess he created. Nevertheless, I don't see any other COY candidate out there that has done a better job than Pete, although I suppose there will be someone putting out Jason Garrett's name.

The other thing about giving it to Pete would be that it would be an acknowledgement of his rebuilding of the franchise as he has yet to receive a COY award in the 5 years he's been with us. Arians won it back in 2012, so giving two to him and none to Pete would be a travesty of monumental proportions.

[NorthHawk]

Firstly, Ariens is benefitting from how he took over from Pagano last year so that goodwill is in play.
Secondly, even if the Cards didn't have a tough schedule, they still had high profile injuries to deal with and with parity in the NFL, no games are easy wins.
Thirdly, regarding Pete for CotY, the perception is this team is stacked with talent and considering we just won the championship, he has a lot of talent to work with even if just getting back to the playoffs is an accomplishment in itself.

[Futureite]

Cards have lost pieces everywhere. Dansby, Washington, Docket, Mathieu - enough on D ALONE that people on this board claimed they were "done" even in the preseason.

And now they are on their 3rd QB?? (BTW their D had never been "inceredible" or "great". They are what, 15th in yds per\gm?). Good god give this coach the respect he deserves for F's sake. He's an incredible coach and a slam dunk for COTY.

[monkey]

Oh, I agree, Pete Carroll is far more deserving of COY than Arians. I was simply sticking up for the guy because I felt that he was a deserving candidate and did a commendable job under some very unique circumstances. You were making it sound like the guy wasn't good enough to wash jock straps.

The only caveat I would add about Carroll is that much of the abortion that represented the first 1/3 of the season, ie the Harvin debacle, was of his own doing. So give him credit for cleaning up the mess he created. Nevertheless, I don't see any other COY candidate out there that has done a better job than Pete, although I suppose there will be someone putting out Jason Garrett's name.

The other thing about giving it to Pete would be that it would be an acknowledgement of his rebuilding of the franchise as he has yet to receive a COY award in the 5 years he's been with us. Arians won it back in 2012, so giving two to him and none to Pete would be a travesty of monumental proportions.

First, I didn't mean to make it sound as though Arians wasn't good enough to wash jock straps...I have a knack for hyperbole that overtakes my sense of fairness at times, my bad.
Second, if I am going to be fair, then I must say that if I refuse to give Arians credit for coaching with a backup QB, because he picked the starter, then yeah, I can hardly give Pete credit for trading away Harvin when it was Pete that tradeda TON to get him to begin with.

So in the sake of fairness, I will credit Arians for having to coach his team with a backup QB, tough to do and keep winning no doubt, and good job by him, (balanced by the fact that only he though Palmer was the QB answer for them!) and I will credit Pete for makinga tough move to get rid of Harvin in the middle of the season, while docking him for trading a ton to get him in the first place. I won't fault him much for trying to get one of the leagues most dangerous, fast, athletic players though...if I were him and had the chance, I'd have likely done the same thing. (I wouldn't have EVER though Palmer was the answer at QB though.)