More Russians Indicted Today

[idhawkman]

I can't wait for them to ask for discovery like the last set did and let these die on the vine, too.

This is all a distraction to get Trump off the Helsinki meetings.

[Hawktawk]

This is a decorated purple heart awarded Marine and career republican public servant putting america's interests ahead of the most evil man on the planet. No question the timing of this incredibly detailed indictment is a shot over the bow of the leader of our greatest geopolitical foe and who is bent on our destruction, perhaps with a nuclear first devastating strike since he sees we have the most inept idiot whose balls are in his vice due to a pee tape infesting the oval office, a man who can't decide on anything and who didn't even leave the golf course when there was a false alarm about a missile strike on Hawaii that was not determined to not be accurate for over an hour.

Hero and honest Marine Bob Mueller is a man who loves america and will not put up with conspiracy no matter who the target is, even if its HRC.

What in the hell is wrong with you and 90% of my former party? Good grief how we got from fighting the red menace to this blind loyalty to a completely depraved crazy moron is utterly stupefying.

[burrrton]

What in the hell is wrong with you and 90% of my former party?

This is a decorated purple heart awarded Marine and career republican public servant putting america's interests ahead of the most evil man on the planet.

Take a look in the mirror if you want to know what's wrong nowadays.

[Hawktawk]

[quote="burrrton"


Take a look in the mirror if you want to know what's wrong nowadays.[/quote]
What are you getting at Burt? I cant oppose a loony wanna be despot whose destroying america? Those who oppose opposition are the problem, those who tear down our institutions and our free press and our justice system. Were this skunk getting off the hook from a banana republic where the media and justice department do the bidding of a dictator who does whatever he wants,

[burrrton]

What are you getting at Burt?

I think that's obvious. Get ahold of yourself.

[Aseahawkfan]

This is a decorated purple heart awarded Marine and career republican public servant putting america's interests ahead of the most evil man on the planet. No question the timing of this incredibly detailed indictment is a shot over the bow of the leader of our greatest geopolitical foe and who is bent on our destruction, perhaps with a nuclear first devastating strike since he sees we have the most inept idiot whose balls are in his vice due to a pee tape infesting the oval office, a man who can't decide on anything and who didn't even leave the golf course when there was a false alarm about a missile strike on Hawaii that was not determined to not be accurate for over an hour.

Hero and honest Marine Bob Mueller is a man who loves america and will not put up with conspiracy no matter who the target is, even if its HRC.

What in the hell is wrong with you and 90% of my former party? Good grief how we got from fighting the red menace to this blind loyalty to a completely depraved crazy moron is utterly stupefying.

The most evil man on the planet? This is why I and no one else should take you or anything like you seriously. You and you're kind are what's wrong with this nation. Totally irrational and crazed in your extreme over-reaction. Incapable of a rational viewpoint and ranting off the rails.

Russia is not a threat. Putin isn't that stupid. They have 140 million people and no navy capable of invading us. Why don't you do any studying whatsoever on these subjects? Why do you have to be so completely irrational and ignorant? Do you even study the military and political logistics of "The Red Menace"? Do you study the business relationships with have with Russia since the fall of The Soviet Union? Russia is not the enemy you make them out to be. They likely won't be any more.

There is no incentive for World War anywhere by anyone with any real power. I'm reading on World War 1 right now. The circumstances for that war don't even exist any longer. Nor World War 2. There is literally no incentive whatsoever for World War. The international business and economic relationships are far too vast and inter-related. Trump, no matter how much you hate him or he plagues your darkest dreams keeping you awake at night or causes you to rant endlessly with friends and on forums, is not going to to change the reality of the interconnected world.

If you want to defang Trump, get out there and vote Democrat like Riverdog is doing in the midterms. Wait for Mueller to truly indict Trump rather than playing these games indicting Russians that will either ignore him and stay in Russia or sue back keeping Mueller and his team buried in court proceedings while they go after Trump. Or in a few years they'll vote Trump out. At this point in time you might lose your mind if Trump wins re-election, literally lose your mind.

[Aseahawkfan]

I can't wait for them to ask for discovery like the last set did and let these die on the vine, too.

This is all a distraction to get Trump off the Helsinki meetings.

That was amusing when the last group took it to court and Mueller had bupkis. At the moment all we know is the Russians engaged in a disinformation program so Trump would get elected. Really? Why wasn't this investigated before when Russia and China were spending money on behalf of Bill Clinton to get him elected? This is absolutely not news at all to anyone that follows world politics and elections. They've been interfering in our elections for years, many nations have and corporations and rich individuals and unions and political action groups.

I'm not sure what Mueller and the politicians are doing. Manufacturing an enemy as usual is the nearest I can tell. They need to get back to me when they prove hacking of voting machines on a level large enough to affect an election.

[Hawktawk]

The most evil man on the planet? This is why I and no one else should take you or anything like you seriously. You and you're kind are what's wrong with this nation. Totally irrational and crazed in your extreme over-reaction. Incapable of a rational viewpoint and ranting off the rails.

Russia is not a threat. Putin isn't that stupid. They have 140 million people and no navy capable of invading us. Why don't you do any studying whatsoever on these subjects? Why do you have to be so completely irrational and ignorant? Do you even study the military and political logistics of "The Red Menace"? Do you study the business relationships with have with Russia since the fall of The Soviet Union? Russia is not the enemy you make them out to be. They likely won't be any more.

There is no incentive for World War anywhere by anyone with any real power. I'm reading on World War 1 right now. The circumstances for that war don't even exist any longer. Nor World War 2. There is literally no incentive whatsoever for World War. The international business and economic relationships are far too vast and inter-related. Trump, no matter how much you hate him or he plagues your darkest dreams keeping you awake at night or causes you to rant endlessly with friends and on forums, is not going to to change the reality of the interconnected world.

If you want to defang Trump, get out there and vote Democrat like Riverdog is doing in the midterms. Wait for Mueller to truly indict Trump rather than playing these games indicting Russians that will either ignore him and stay in Russia or sue back keeping Mueller and his team buried in court proceedings while they go after Trump. Or in a few years they'll vote Trump out. At this point in time you might lose your mind if Trump wins re-election, literally lose your mind.[/quote]

Fact, Russia has been building Nuke subs at a hell bent pace to the point that they have as many as us, more modern and stealthy as well. Their flagship has been dubbed"the black hole" by us intelligence experts as it is so stealthy one was able to operate off the course of florida for a month and a half before it was detected and at that point we were able to retrieve the data to determine how long it had been there.

Fact, within the last year and a half Putin ordered an emergency readiness drill involving 40 million russian citizens and they have a bomb shelter complex underneath moscow capable of protecting the entire 12 million person population of the city.

Fact, they have recently developed a mobile launched nuclear cruise missile which looks exactly like a conventional mobile launch system. It violates the START treaty and is impossible to track but Trump sucks up to Putin and tells a bunch of Neanderthals in a Montana speech just a few days ago that Putin is "fine" to raucous cheers.

Fact, a couple of months back Putin unveiled the newest Nuclear ICBM dubbed "satan II" which one warhead is capable of destroying an area the size of Texas. During his presentation Putin played a video simulating one of the warheads hitting Florida in the approximate location of Mara Lago but chump said nothing.

Fact, their aircraft including Nuclear bombers routinely buzz our ships, probe our airspace as well as that of european Neighbors, their antiaircraft batteries illuminate military and civilian jets in international airspace. Fact, Their subs have been detected snooping around the undersea communications cables under the atlantic.They annexed Crimea in a bloody war and are fighting to take Ukraine back and Chump says he might declare Crimea a legitimate part of Russia since"most of their residents speak russian"

Fact, Putin ordered his military intelligence agencies and his spies and operatives to influence the US presidential election in a myriad of was some of which are detailed in heroic decorated marine and stellar G man Mueller's most recent indictment.No intelligence agency on the planet other than Russia disputes this but as chump prepares for his Helsinki summit the best he will say is that he will ask the most evil cunning man, former KGB agent who jails and kills opponents whether he did it and if he says yes he will say don't do it again .His own appointee NSA director and lifelong republican Dan Coates said yesterday that not enough is being done to prevent meddling in the midterms. This would obviously make Trump Impeachment proof so his Master can lead him around by the chain till hes ready to discard him, perhaps in the most horrific way

This is being done by Putin with a clear preference for the biggest idiot on the planet, a man that was stupid and depraved enough to be filmed with Russian prostitutes in the Moscow ritz carlton in 2013. Trump almost certainly has been financed with laundered Russian oligarch money for decades based on the fact that almost all his business ventures aver that period of time have been straight cash transactions following 6 bankruptcies that made him a pariah unable to borrow from banks. In an election that was decided by less than 100 thousand votes in a few battleground states it surely was the difference.

Whatever one thinks of HRC and I truly loathe her as much for being lazy and unappealing enough I could simply not vote for her in 2016 Iwould rather be living with her as president as a loyal opposition Republican rather than know the POTUS is hopelessly compromised by Putin And have a party left with some integrity instead of watching formerly decent men like Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan, and Rudy Giuliani go to S#!t and fall on their swords for a tax cut and a few SCOTUS nominees and protect the biggest crook and scumbag ever to infest the oval office.

ASEA etc. Putin did not do everything in his power to elect Trump because he saw a worthy opponent and a man who would get the better of him. He has no illusions of winning a conventional war but hes been pell mell preparing for a nuclear war he would almost certainly win decisively and at that point his military would be the preeminent power on the planet . His economy has a GNP approximately the size of italy other than oil sales and he has the most powerful nuclear capability on the planet. Its what I worry about more than all Chumps utter buffoonery, his racism, His constant insults and lies to everyone but his master Putin.

Its not an argument I ever want to win and Im quite well mentally. There was a guy that was named Paul Revere and he was quite sane as well. When I see america turning into a banana republic, a veritable third world nation in terms of governance and the rule of law and a completely inept shill as commander in chief I have to speak out, even if I come across as shrill or loony to those of you with your heads in the sand. Ill say it again, what in the hell is wrong with 40% of america?

Oh BTW it wont be straight ticket but i will find some reasons to vote Democratic this fall to punish my former party assuming we aren't all an ash by then or Trump has impeached the entire justice department and declared himself king.If someone would have told me a few years ago I would ever say this Id have thought they were crazy. If Im anything its a canary in a coal mine.

Have a great day.

[idhawkman]

This is a decorated purple heart awarded Marine and career republican public servant putting america's interests ahead of the most evil man on the planet. No question the timing of this incredibly detailed indictment is a shot over the bow of the leader of our greatest geopolitical foe and who is bent on our destruction, perhaps with a nuclear first devastating strike since he sees we have the most inept idiot whose balls are in his vice due to a pee tape infesting the oval office, a man who can't decide on anything and who didn't even leave the golf course when there was a false alarm about a missile strike on Hawaii that was not determined to not be accurate for over an hour.

Hero and honest Marine Bob Mueller is a man who loves america and will not put up with conspiracy no matter who the target is, even if its HRC.

What in the hell is wrong with you and 90% of my former party? Good grief how we got from fighting the red menace to this blind loyalty to a completely depraved crazy moron is utterly stupefying.

I've seen too many of your "Decorated Marines" making complete asses of themselves in the PI and Thailand. Mueller's actions define him and he's done this all to himself. Bad example if you are trying to hold him up against a bought and paid for smear that is not and will not ever be verified.

[idhawkman]

Quite an interesting 4 minute video from 1980. https://www.facebook.com/anthony.cantrell1/videos/10155542311082011/

[idhawkman]

Fact, Russia has been building Nuke subs at a hell bent pace to the point that they have as many as us, more modern and stealthy as well. Their flagship has been dubbed"the black hole" by us intelligence experts as it is so stealthy one was able to operate off the course of florida for a month and a half before it was detected and at that point we were able to retrieve the data to determine how long it had been there.

Fact, within the last year and a half Putin ordered an emergency readiness drill involving 40 million russian citizens and they have a bomb shelter complex underneath moscow capable of protecting the entire 12 million person population of the city.

Fact, they have recently developed a mobile launched nuclear cruise missile which looks exactly like a conventional mobile launch system. It violates the START treaty and is impossible to track but Trump sucks up to Putin and tells a bunch of Neanderthals in a Montana speech just a few days ago that Putin is "fine" to raucous cheers.

Fact, a couple of months back Putin unveiled the newest Nuclear ICBM dubbed "satan II" which one warhead is capable of destroying an area the size of Texas. During his presentation Putin played a video simulating one of the warheads hitting Florida in the approximate location of Mara Lago but chump said nothing.

Fact, their aircraft including Nuclear bombers routinely buzz our ships, probe our airspace as well as that of european Neighbors, their antiaircraft batteries illuminate military and civilian jets in international airspace. Fact, Their subs have been detected snooping around the undersea communications cables under the atlantic.They annexed Crimea in a bloody war and are fighting to take Ukraine back and Chump says he might declare Crimea a legitimate part of Russia since"most of their residents speak russian"

Fact, Putin ordered his military intelligence agencies and his spies and operatives to influence the US presidential election in a myriad of was some of which are detailed in heroic decorated marine and stellar G man Mueller's most recent indictment.No intelligence agency on the planet other than Russia disputes this but as chump prepares for his Helsinki summit the best he will say is that he will ask the most evil cunning man, former KGB agent who jails and kills opponents whether he did it and if he says yes he will say don't do it again .His own appointee NSA director and lifelong republican Dan Coates said yesterday that not enough is being done to prevent meddling in the midterms. This would obviously make Trump Impeachment proof so his Master can lead him around by the chain till hes ready to discard him, perhaps in the most horrific way

This is being done by Putin with a clear preference for the biggest idiot on the planet, a man that was stupid and depraved enough to be filmed with Russian prostitutes in the Moscow ritz carlton in 2013. Trump almost certainly has been financed with laundered Russian oligarch money for decades based on the fact that almost all his business ventures aver that period of time have been straight cash transactions following 6 bankruptcies that made him a pariah unable to borrow from banks. In an election that was decided by less than 100 thousand votes in a few battleground states it surely was the difference.

Whatever one thinks of HRC and I truly loathe her as much for being lazy and unappealing enough I could simply not vote for her in 2016 Iwould rather be living with her as president as a loyal opposition Republican rather than know the POTUS is hopelessly compromised by Putin And have a party left with some integrity instead of watching formerly decent men like Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan, and Rudy Giuliani go to S#!t and fall on their swords for a tax cut and a few SCOTUS nominees and protect the biggest crook and scumbag ever to infest the oval office.

ASEA etc. Putin did not do everything in his power to elect Trump because he saw a worthy opponent and a man who would get the better of him. He has no illusions of winning a conventional war but hes been pell mell preparing for a nuclear war he would almost certainly win decisively and at that point his military would be the preeminent power on the planet . His economy has a GNP approximately the size of italy other than oil sales and he has the most powerful nuclear capability on the planet. Its what I worry about more than all Chumps utter buffoonery, his racism, His constant insults and lies to everyone but his master Putin.

Its not an argument I ever want to win and Im quite well mentally. There was a guy that was named Paul Revere and he was quite sane as well. When I see america turning into a banana republic, a veritable third world nation in terms of governance and the rule of law and a completely inept shill as commander in chief I have to speak out, even if I come across as shrill or loony to those of you with your heads in the sand. Ill say it again, what in the hell is wrong with 40% of america?

Oh BTW it wont be straight ticket but i will find some reasons to vote Democratic this fall to punish my former party assuming we aren't all an ash by then or Trump has impeached the entire justice department and declared himself king.If someone would have told me a few years ago I would ever say this Id have thought they were crazy. If Im anything its a canary in a coal mine.

Have a great day.

I'm noticing that a lot of people aren't graciously accepting the fact that their candidate lost.
In fact you seem to be posting even more hateful things about those who voted for Trump.
Some are apparently "triggered" because they are posting how "sick" you feel about the results.
How did this happen you ask? Well here is how it happened!

You created "us" when you attacked our freedom of speech.
You created "us" when you attacked our right to bear arms.
You created "us" when you attacked our Christian beliefs.
You created "us" when you constantly referred to us as racists.
You created "us" when you constantly called us xenophobic.
You created "us" when you told us to get on board or get out of the way.
You created "us" when you attacked our flag
You created "us" when you took God out of our schools.
You created "us" when you confused women's rights with feminism.
You created "us" when you began to emasculate men.
You created "us" when you decided to make our children soft.
You created "us" when you decided to vote for progressive ideals.
You created "us" when you attacked our way of life.
You created "us" when you decided to let our government get out of control.
You created "us" the silent majority
You created "us" when you began murdering innocent law enforcement officers.
You created "us" when you lied and said we could keep our insurance plans and our doctors
You created "us" when you allowed our jobs to continue to leave our country.
You created "us" when you took a knee, or stayed seated or didn't remove your hat during our National Anthem.
You created "us" when you forced us to buy health care and then financially penalized us for not participating.

And we became fed up and we pushed back and spoke up.
And we did it with ballots, not bullets.
With ballots, not riots.
With ballots, not looting.
With ballots, not blocking traffic.
With ballots, not fires, except the one you started inside of "us"

"YOU" created "US".

It really is just that simple

[Hawktawk]

Quite an interesting 4 minute video from 1980. https://www.facebook.com/anthony.cantrell1/videos/10155542311082011/

Still he was a punk who needed his face punched in but notice how much more lucid, articulate and intelligent he sounded then as opposed to this humorless semi senile tweeting madman who speaks like a 5th grader he has deteriorated into at 71.

Ill adress your last "you created us" post as well. Obama and the far left created an environment where 40% of americans and 90% of republicans could be "you" after 2 years watching this crazy man in action.

Its an overreaction of monumental proportions and you are so enamored with your cult of personality that you will attack lifelong republican and war hero of impeccable morals Bob Mueller to defend a molesting draft dodging colluding money laundering scumbag.

"you" or "us" or whatever are delusional and are really hurting america. Its not about Trump vs HRC anymore. Its Trump vs Pence, you know the lily white true conservative who does all the arm twisting on capitol hill, served his nation with honor and at one time had enough morals to cancel all his campaign appearances when Trump was caught on tape bragging about molesting women because he was a star.Of course he's taken a swan dive into the slag heap now but would be a huge improvement and you wouldnt hear one complaint from me again.

Remember the party of family values and fiscal responsibility ID? its no longer in existence, the party that impeached Slick Willie, really a pretty good president for lying about a consensual sex act to a special counsel. Rush limbaugh cheered, and so did you and I.Its the party of trump and its going to go down in flames if we all dont first.

No its the likes of you , the "us" that really need to examine your heart, your integrity and look in the mirror.You've thrown it all away and for what.....

#NEVERTRUMP# and proud to say so.

[burrrton]

the party that impeached Slick Willie, really a pretty good president for lying about a consensual sex act to a special counsel. Rush limbaugh cheered, and so did you and I.

I didn't cheer that and I think it was an overreaction and ultimately hurt the Rs, but what you describe there has a name, perjury, and it's considered a serious offense for very good reasons. Our entire legal system is kinda based on telling the truth under oath.

"you" or "us" or whatever are delusional and are really hurting america.

Wrong. It's people like you who can't modulate your disgust and go instantly to "HOLOCAUST" and "MOST EVIL MAN ON PLANET EARTH" over literally anything and everything the guy does or says that are hurting America.

He's merely a crass buffoon with some racist attitudes and some good and some bad ideas, and I think if you listed for us all the "EVIL!" things he's doing or has done, it would become obvious you're an over-reacting hysteric.

#NEVERTRUMP# and proud to say so.

Thanks for pointing that out- never would have guessed.

[Aseahawkfan]

Fact, Russia has been building Nuke subs at a hell bent pace to the point that they have as many as us, more modern and stealthy as well. Their flagship has been dubbed"the black hole" by us intelligence experts as it is so stealthy one was able to operate off the course of florida for a month and a half before it was detected and at that point we were able to retrieve the data to determine how long it had been there.

Fact, within the last year and a half Putin ordered an emergency readiness drill involving 40 million russian citizens and they have a bomb shelter complex underneath moscow capable of protecting the entire 12 million person population of the city.

Fact, they have recently developed a mobile launched nuclear cruise missile which looks exactly like a conventional mobile launch system. It violates the START treaty and is impossible to track but Trump sucks up to Putin and tells a bunch of Neanderthals in a Montana speech just a few days ago that Putin is "fine" to raucous cheers.

Fact, a couple of months back Putin unveiled the newest Nuclear ICBM dubbed "satan II" which one warhead is capable of destroying an area the size of Texas. During his presentation Putin played a video simulating one of the warheads hitting Florida in the approximate location of Mara Lago but chump said nothing.

Fact, their aircraft including Nuclear bombers routinely buzz our ships, probe our airspace as well as that of european Neighbors, their antiaircraft batteries illuminate military and civilian jets in international airspace. Fact, Their subs have been detected snooping around the undersea communications cables under the atlantic.They annexed Crimea in a bloody war and are fighting to take Ukraine back and Chump says he might declare Crimea a legitimate part of Russia since"most of their residents speak russian"

Fact, Putin ordered his military intelligence agencies and his spies and operatives to influence the US presidential election in a myriad of was some of which are detailed in heroic decorated marine and stellar G man Mueller's most recent indictment.No intelligence agency on the planet other than Russia disputes this but as chump prepares for his Helsinki summit the best he will say is that he will ask the most evil cunning man, former KGB agent who jails and kills opponents whether he did it and if he says yes he will say don't do it again .His own appointee NSA director and lifelong republican Dan Coates said yesterday that not enough is being done to prevent meddling in the midterms. This would obviously make Trump Impeachment proof so his Master can lead him around by the chain till hes ready to discard him, perhaps in the most horrific way

This is being done by Putin with a clear preference for the biggest idiot on the planet, a man that was stupid and depraved enough to be filmed with Russian prostitutes in the Moscow ritz carlton in 2013. Trump almost certainly has been financed with laundered Russian oligarch money for decades based on the fact that almost all his business ventures aver that period of time have been straight cash transactions following 6 bankruptcies that made him a pariah unable to borrow from banks. In an election that was decided by less than 100 thousand votes in a few battleground states it surely was the difference.

Whatever one thinks of HRC and I truly loathe her as much for being lazy and unappealing enough I could simply not vote for her in 2016 Iwould rather be living with her as president as a loyal opposition Republican rather than know the POTUS is hopelessly compromised by Putin And have a party left with some integrity instead of watching formerly decent men like Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan, and Rudy Giuliani go to S#!t and fall on their swords for a tax cut and a few SCOTUS nominees and protect the biggest crook and scumbag ever to infest the oval office.

ASEA etc. Putin did not do everything in his power to elect Trump because he saw a worthy opponent and a man who would get the better of him. He has no illusions of winning a conventional war but hes been pell mell preparing for a nuclear war he would almost certainly win decisively and at that point his military would be the preeminent power on the planet . His economy has a GNP approximately the size of italy other than oil sales and he has the most powerful nuclear capability on the planet. Its what I worry about more than all Chumps utter buffoonery, his racism, His constant insults and lies to everyone but his master Putin.

Its not an argument I ever want to win and Im quite well mentally. There was a guy that was named Paul Revere and he was quite sane as well. When I see america turning into a banana republic, a veritable third world nation in terms of governance and the rule of law and a completely inept shill as commander in chief I have to speak out, even if I come across as shrill or loony to those of you with your heads in the sand. Ill say it again, what in the hell is wrong with 40% of america?

Oh BTW it wont be straight ticket but i will find some reasons to vote Democratic this fall to punish my former party assuming we aren't all an ash by then or Trump has impeached the entire justice department and declared himself king.If someone would have told me a few years ago I would ever say this Id have thought they were crazy. If Im anything its a canary in a coal mine.

Have a great day.

Fact, Russia does not have the population or economic power to make war in any fashion against the United States or many other people in the world.

Fact, Russia relies heavily on selling oil to foreign nations and will not do anything to further erode their economy on the world level.

Fact, Russia's nuclear submarines don't matter or do you figure Russia's going to make a suicide attack and end their existence?

Fact, Rule of Law still applies in America and is no different than it has been prior to Trump.

Fact, election tampering has been occurring in America since literally it's beginning by domestic and foreign representatives. The idea that you aren't educated enough on the subject means you will allow it to continue to happen as long as it isn't a candidate you hate. If you think this is the first time Russia or China or Saudia Arabia have interfered in our elections with money and media influence, you just haven't been paying attention. The information is out there if you want to locate as to how much money goes into election support from outside. Also, did you notice that a British spy assisted Hilary Clinton in the same election that you are complaining about Russia interfering in? A foreign spy built a dossier on Trump to use against him and yet all of America seems ok with it because he wasn't Russian? It's stupid hypocrisy and you're part of it.

Fact, we routinely buzz and cross barriers with our ships too. You don't seem to care when we do it? Opposing powers do it back like when China builds Islands in the South China Sea, Russia buzzes, and the Iranian military gives us a hard time. I guess you support your boy Obama's deal with Iran, which was an awful deal that gave them money to fund war against us. So are you a traitor hypocrite now ok with Obama's Iran Deal? Was that Obama selling us out to Iran and Islamic Radicalism? Or you only choose to point out negatives with Trump? Where's your truth-telling hawktawk? Where's your facts when Obama is making deals with Iran that hurt us?

Fact is you're a hypocrite, liar, and completely irrational person that picks and chooses what lie or traitor activity to support based on who you like and dislike. You want to go through political history Mr. I Love Reagan while he's shipping weapons to Iran to pay for revolutionaries in El Salvador to attack Nicaragua that attacked schools and killed children not to mention the documented black budget drug running operations during The Reagan Era that brought in drugs using CIA operatives to fund off the book operations. All while you're boy Reagan was in office promoting the War on Drugs, someone you think highly of.

No, you aren't mentally well. When you are state someone like Trump is the most evil Man in the World when you have men in like Mark Brevik, Kim Jong Un, and Putin, then you're not real rational or right. When you post here, you're going to get called out when you're a lying hypocrite with no real belief in truth, morality, or the like yourself. If you spent any time reading history, you would know how the United States like all nations is very much a mixed bag on morality. Trump is not even close to our most evil president. He's merely some guy that people like yourself get overly wound up about as you ignore all the other evil crap we do to maintain power. Trump has a long, long ways to go to even get on the list of most evil United States presidents in terms of people killed or underhanded things done. He'll need at least one war lies us into to get there. I'm sure he's looking for the opportunity to be a tough guy.

And yes, burrton, I know we do a lot of good as well, but it doesn't make the evil we do any less evil. American military power has murdered and will continue to murder a lot of people for questionable reasons and objectives that do not serve the American people as a whole, but serve to maintain power in the world. Because we are a nation with power hungry men, just like everywhere else, who do what they can and feel they must to hold power.

[Aseahawkfan]

Remember the party of family values and fiscal responsibility ID? its no longer in existence, the party that impeached Slick Willie, really a pretty good president for lying about a consensual sex act to a special counsel. Rush limbaugh cheered, and so did you and I.Its the party of trump and its going to go down in flames if we all dont first.

No its the likes of you , the "us" that really need to examine your heart, your integrity and look in the mirror.You've thrown it all away and for what.....

#NEVERTRUMP# and proud to say so.

Wow, You have become a real scumbag. Slick Willy a pretty good president? You're attacking Trump right now and you're protecting Slick Willy? A guy that was known to have election support from China and Russia?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_United_States_campaign_finance_controversy

You are proving yourself a traitorous hypocrite only concerned about Trump and not the well-being of this nation. You are ok with Clinton selling us out to China, but not ok with Trump and Russia. Damn traitorous hypocrite.

[Hawktawk]

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Wow, You have become a real scumbag. Slick Willy a pretty good president? You're attacking Trump right now and you're protecting Slick Willy? A guy that was known to have election support from China and Russia?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_United_States_campaign_finance_controversy

You are proving yourself a traitorous hypocrite only concerned about Trump and not the well-being of this nation. You are ok with Clinton selling us out to China, but not ok with Trump and Russia. Damn traitorous hypocrite.

you're obviously not a sophisticated enough reader to get my point. I voted for George HW and Bob Dole. In hindsight Clinton reached across the aisle after his ass kicking in 1994 midterms and did some great things, welfare reform, a good economy and most importantly balanced budgets, the last president who did so. My point which flew right over your dense head is that REPUBLICANS IMPEACHED HIM AND NOW THEY ARE SUPPORTING SOMEONE TEN TIMES WORSE.That's the traitorous hypocrites buddy.

Scumbag? thats a term that applies to both Slick willie and ten times more so to Chump. Not me pal and its insulting to say exercising my rights to have whatever opinion I like on an OT forum makes me anything of the sort.

I'm a PATRIOT who puts america over party which is in short supply when i'm some crazy man for being a little shrill about Bob Mueller revealing classified detail including what key strokes were used, Dates and times of hacks, which military officers were involved and what buildings they operated from to overthrow our system of democracy , the fact they hacked state voter registrations, tried to hack into actual voting systems and compromised personal information of over 50 million american citizens and its ho hum from the ostriches and the Trump loving cult members.Mueller's final report will be so detailed and damning it will be mind blowing and it will still be ho hum from you folks.

You want to talk about some nefarious campaign finance rumors involving Clinton? whatever. Trump is a man who clearly conspired with our greatest geopolitical foe to overturn an american election and coddles him to this day, likely will roll over and give more concessions in helsinki today.

Beam me up scottie.

[Aseahawkfan]

you're obviously not a sophisticated enough reader to get my point. I voted for George HW and Bob Dole. In hindsight Clinton reached across the aisle after his ass kicking in 1994 midterms and did some great things, welfare reform, a good economy and most importantly balanced budgets, the last president who did so. My point which flew right over your dense head is that REPUBLICANS IMPEACHED HIM AND NOW THEY ARE SUPPORTING SOMEONE TEN TIMES WORSE.That's the traitorous hypocrites buddy.

Scumbag? thats a term that applies to both Slick willie and ten times more so to Chump. Not me pal and its insulting to say exercising my rights to have whatever opinion I like on an OT forum makes me anything of the sort.

I'm a PATRIOT who puts america over party which is in short supply when i'm some crazy man for being a little shrill about Bob Mueller revealing classified detail including what key strokes were used, Dates and times of hacks, which military officers were involved and what buildings they operated from to overthrow our system of democracy , the fact they hacked state voter registrations, tried to hack into actual voting systems and compromised personal information of over 50 million american citizens and its ho hum from the ostriches and the Trump loving cult members.Mueller's final report will be so detailed and damning it will be mind blowing and it will still be ho hum from you folks.

You want to talk about some nefarious campaign finance rumors involving Clinton? whatever. Trump is a man who clearly conspired with our greatest geopolitical foe to overturn an american election and coddles him to this day, likely will roll over and give more concessions in helsinki today.

Beam me up scottie.

If you want to get your country right, then stop idolizing presidents at all. We as a people need to stop watching videos on the Internet, the boobtube, or news bytes and get control of our nation. That means holding politicians accountable regardless of your political party and stance. This politicians promising crap is taking us down the tubes when voters are voting on single issues rather than understanding the values of their nation. It doesn't help when someone like yourself is so blinded by hate you can't see all thew wrong done by president after president after president and Congress after Congress after Congress.

I know it will likely never happen, but at some point this nation is doomed until we move from this soundbyte, single issue voting to actually teaching our values and upholding them. Our Constitution says "Life, Liberty, and The Pursuit of Happiness", not a build a giant military, collect lots of taxes, and try to takeover the world abroad and build a welfare state to stop the poor from becoming too poor so they wont' revolt. At least until the robot army is built to deal with the poor.

People think it's my imagination and it's not coming, but just like with all this political corruption they aren't paying attention to the weapons being built and deployed. They think they won't use them at home, but the people in power will if they need to. It will only be moral codes that will stop them from using them on us. If we get a guy in power even worse than Trump, a real dictator, not this fabrication, that robotic army will thresh us down like wheat before a mechanized farming machine. It's like watching a car driving down a path to bad a wreck and knowing you can't do anything about it because people truly aren't smart enough to understand what's going to happen at some point. They so want to trust their leaders that they can't imagine they're building machines to keep them in line once the real famine, disease, and problems hit.

We have a chance to stop it, but we're too busy being led around by the nose by the media. Like this person, don't like this person. Vote for this person, not this person. Wait a minute? Aren't they both doing roughly the same thing when in office? Why yes they are, with very little deviation. I feel like we've all been voting for the same person with minor shades of difference for the past 20 plus years. I get hurt worse by local and state government taxation than I do the fed. Seems like the government can never get enough money and they just keep on adding "services" and asking for more.

I wish you would really wake up and get a clue at some point. Then maybe your passion would make some real change than just shouting like a crazy man at Donald Trump. Clear the eyes guy. He's doing some dirty crap, but so does every president. Unless we stop them, it won't ever end. That means some real change like stopping drone assassination programs, Patriot Act spying, lowering taxes on working people versus the wealthy, and making them understand that these social services socialists are offering aren't free and in fact are very, very expensive, with most of the expense covered by their productive labor, not the big companies they think pay.

[RiverDog]

Nice to see our friend Hawktalk return to the fray. Just a few comments:

I don't disagree with HT's characterizations of Trump, but as usual, he does tend to go overboard. IMO Donald Trump is a spoiled rich kid used to getting his way on everything, used to obtaining anything he desires by simply flashing his money, has never had to worry about balancing his checkbook or live within a budget. It explains a lot of things about his bizarre behavior and his cruel insensitivity to others that do not look or speak like him. IMO he is not mentally fit to be POTUS, but he is not the most evil man to have walked the planet.

As far as impeachment goes, there was only two questions to ask yourself regarding Slick Willy: Did he commit perjury in his grand jury testimony in the Paula Jones case and if so, is perjury an impeachable offense. IMO the answer to the first question was an undeniably yes, and back during the time, I felt that perjury was an impeachable offense. The passage of time and events since then has caused me to rethink the 2nd question and in retrospect, perjury in a civil trial is not an impeachable offense.

IMO Trump has not committed an impeachable offense, either. I have not seen anything coming out of the Mueller investigation that would cause me to think that he conspired with the Russians to rig the election, to the contrary, I have not seen any successful attempt to erase votes, change votes, or otherwise affect the tabulation of votes in the 2016 general election. Only if it were shown that the Russians actually changed tabulated results and if Trump is proven without a doubt to have conspired with them to do so is there an impeachable offense lurking somewhere in the Mueller investigation. However, I do see value in continuing the investigation in that it keeps the election fraud issue in the forefront and motivates us to take actions to prevent such tampering in the future.

I am very uncomfortable with Trump's cozy relationship with Putin and another bizarre claim of his that the European Union is more of an enemy of ours than is Russia or China. Eee gads!

[Aseahawkfan]

Nice to see our friend Hawktalk return to the fray. Just a few comments:

I don't disagree with HT's characterizations of Trump, but as usual, he does tend to go overboard. IMO Donald Trump is a spoiled rich kid used to getting his way on everything, used to obtaining anything he desires by simply flashing his money, has never had to worry about balancing his checkbook or live within a budget. It explains a lot of things about his bizarre behavior and his cruel insensitivity to others that do not look or speak like him. IMO he is not mentally fit to be POTUS, but he is not the most evil man to have walked the planet.

As far as impeachment goes, there was only two questions to ask yourself regarding Slick Willy: Did he commit perjury in his grand jury testimony in the Paula Jones case and if so, is perjury an impeachable offense. IMO the answer to the first question was an undeniably yes, and back during the time, I felt that perjury was an impeachable offense. The passage of time and events since then has caused me to rethink the 2nd question and in retrospect, perjury in a civil trial is not an impeachable offense.

IMO Trump has not committed an impeachable offense, either. I have not seen anything coming out of the Mueller investigation that would cause me to think that he conspired with the Russians to rig the election, to the contrary, I have not seen any successful attempt to erase votes, change votes, or otherwise affect the tabulation of votes in the 2016 general election. Only if it were shown that the Russians actually changed tabulated results and if Trump is proven without a doubt to have conspired with them to do so is there an impeachable offense lurking somewhere in the Mueller investigation. However, I do see value in continuing the investigation in that it keeps the election fraud issue in the forefront and motivates us to take actions to prevent such tampering in the future.

I am very uncomfortable with Trump's cozy relationship with Putin and another bizarre claim of his that the European Union is more of an enemy of ours than is Russia or China. Eee gads!

The European and Canada talk is just dumb. I want to see some deals done soon. The only positive at the moment is the reduction of corporate income taxes which should make our country more attractive for investment and work. The Obamacare Mandate removal was good as well.

Neutering the EPA I don't care for and his attacks on consumer protection is bothersome as well.

[RiverDog]

The European and Canada talk is just dumb. I want to see some deals done soon. The only positive at the moment is the reduction of corporate income taxes which should make our country more attractive for investment and work. The Obamacare Mandate removal was good as well.

Neutering the EPA I don't care for and his attacks on consumer protection is bothersome as well.

I agree, but I won't stop there. I don't like his immigration policy, don't like his entire trade war (including China), don't like the way he treats our allies, don't like his interference in the NFL anthem debate, and I think he's a prick.

On the plus side, I like his SCOTUS nominations and I like the fact that he saved us from that witch Hillary Clinton.

[Hawktawk]

I voted for Gary Johnson as most in here know. Id prefer Hillary at this point honesly.

As for Chump bowing down in treasonous fashion and acquiescing to Vlad Putin , saying he believes him over our own intelligence agencies about Conspiring to overturn an election it made me want to vomit.

he should really be impeached for it. It was treasonous and sickening. If I had the opposite view of ID Hawkman etc and the roles had been reversed Id be in here apologizing to them and eating crow like I have many times before. Trump is in Vlad putin's pocket but unfortunately 76% of republicans don't give a rip.

Putin might as well show the pee pee tape. The evangelicals have already seen stormy daniels, Karen Mcdougal( Trump is on tape discussing that payoff) 22 victims of sexual assault, Whats a few russian hookers playing aquatic games on the bed Obamas slept in. They won't bat an eye Donald. Quit sucking on Putin's joint....

[RiverDog]

I voted for Gary Johnson as most in here know. Id prefer Hillary at this point honesly.

She would have been a disaster, too, but I can't imagine her being worse than this buffoon. Nevertheless, I was damned if I was going to vote for the lesser of two evils, so I, too, voted for Johnson. Besides, I'm closer to being a Libertarian than I am a Republican.

As for Chump bowing down in treasonous fashion and acquiescing to Vlad Putin , saying he believes him over our own intelligence agencies about Conspiring to overturn an election it made me want to vomit.

he should really be impeached for it. It was treasonous and sickening. If I had the opposite view of ID Hawkman etc and the roles had been reversed Id be in here apologizing to them and eating crow like I have many times before. Trump is in Vlad putin's pocket but unfortunately 76% of republicans don't give a rip.

Impeachment is still out of the question IMO. I have seen nothing even remotely suggested that rises to that level. As we discussed before, the only way you can have a treason charge is if we are at war, so that's off the table, and if Slick Willy's perjury isn't a high enough crime to qualify, then an election violation certainly doesn't reach that standard. Unless they can show that Trump conspired with the Russians, that they changed Hillary votes to Trump votes, and that it affected the outcome if the election, then I will not support impeachment.

One of the reasons why there's not more outrage from conservative voters (there's plenty of outrage amongst R pols) is that the conservative news that they all dutifully listen to and watch won't cover a story or won't cover it in its entirety that reflects badly on Trump, and most dedicated Trump followers will refuse to even consider listening to a different take. It's no different for the left. I often times will watch the same story on FoxNews and MSNBC and get two entirely different takes. That's one of the reasons why it's going to take a huge bombshell to dislodge Trump, one big enough that the conservative news has no choice but to follow and limited options to spin.

That's why, as Idahawk noted, that the Russia thing isn't moving the polls in a significant way, at least not yet.

[Hawktawk]

As I said earlier in the thread Slick willie did accomplish quite a bit his last 6 years beyond being a degenerate womanizing molester but hes off the hook as the worst one now. quote "at a minimum she will go down as a great senator". Donald J Trump.

Fact, while Trump rails against the "12 democrats" trying to uncover the depth of his conspiracy with Russia and if not the most evil certainly the most dangerous man on the planet Vlad Putin it gets lost that he personally contributed more money to Hillary's senate runs than all the democrats on the investigative team put together, over 100 K. Chris Wray his handpicked FBI director contributed over 40K to republicans last cycle.

But I digress. Hillary Klinton was a first lady for 8 years and a very policy engaged one whatever one thinks of her ideas as opposed to the current trophy wife with absolutely no self respect or dignity. She was a senator for 2 terms and a secretary of state. She was eminently qualified for the office 100 times to one to this crazy rube we have infesting the oval office. She was done in by her own dishonesty, laziness, voice that sounded like someone scratching their fingers on a blackboard, and her inexplicable decision to run as the third term of Obama. Had she run as the third term of Bill it may well have been the difference despite the massive attack by Russia.

As for Trump having committed impeachable offenses I couldn't disagree more with you RD. He told the world in an interview with lester holt that he had fired Comey over the "russia thing". he told Sergei Lavrov and Alexi Kislyak the same thing in the oval office he had invited the 2 top KGB agents to a few days later saying that firing Comey had "removed great pressure on the russia investigation". Since soviet tool Tass was the only media outlet present for that meeting it was a Trump aide who leaked the story. He personally crafted a false statement about Trump Jrs meeting with a soviet spy and others promising dirt on Hillary. Thats the classic definition of obsdtructing justice as is his witness tampering continually thorugh tweets etc.

He said in a public speech in 2016 "russia, if you're listening I hope you can find the missing 30 thousand e mails" A day later they were released, just a few days after the trump tower meeting he claims to have had no knowledge of. That is collusion for all the world to see.

The incredible detail in the Mueller indictment of the 12 russians shows me and should show everyone that Mueller really knows everything, has likely had people wearing wires as this idiot blurted out stuff, has the tax returns, has it all. The revelation that Micheal Cohen was taping Trump during meetings is another nail in the coffin, revealing personal knowledge of campaign finance violations by using hush money to silence a mistress on the eve of an election without reporting it as an in kind contribution.

As i've said Mueller will have a devastating portrait of the biggest sleazeball evry to infest the oval office, a man who has committed numerous crimes in and out of the oval office. Its no wonder Giuliani is basically refusing to allow his client to be interviewed. he knows Mueller has it all. Instead former heroic patriot and americas mayor Giuliani is soiling himself like nobody I've ever seen to impeachment proof Trump in the eyes of the american people so they don't go to the polls in november and vote on the question of whether this skunk should be allowed to stink up the joint a single day longer. As for the good hes done he inherited a 7 year economic expansion and equally long bull market run and hasn't been able to derail it despite his erratic stupid tweeting and bizarre behavior. Certain things he's done have enhanced it but its stalling with his idiotic tariffs and fights with our trading partners.

What goes up must come down and when it does we will have a banana republic, a free press in tatters ,a smoking crater where the justice department and rule of law used to be and for what?

[NorthHawk]

If there is anything on him that could sink the ship (I don't see enough hard evidence so far), it will be financial. My guess is that the Russians - maybe Putin, his companies, or his corrupt friends are financing the Trump Corp and this is why we see the behavior of the President towards Russia and Putin in particular. They could pull the plug at any time and send the Trump Corp into bankruptcy again. As well, with criminal organizations, it may be that they used the Corp for laundering money.
It's pretty hard to prove, though and time will tell as it plays out.

[RiverDog]

If there is anything on him that could sink the ship (I don't see enough hard evidence so far), it will be financial. My guess is that the Russians - maybe Putin, his companies, or his corrupt friends are financing the Trump Corp and this is why we see the behavior of the President towards Russia and Putin in particular. They could pull the plug at any time and send the Trump Corp into bankruptcy again. As well, with criminal organizations, it may be that they used the Corp for laundering money.
It's pretty hard to prove, though and time will tell as it plays out.

I doubt if there're going to get him on anything financially related. Trump's empire is far too diverse, too many middle men between him and the deal makers. It would be like trying to nail Jell-O to the wall. And the Russian election tampering, although as paranoid as Trump continues to be about it makes me think he's into it deeper than I initially assumed, doesn't seem to be going anywhere as far as proving collusion. His bimbo problems, although morally and ethically disgusting, would only rate as a campaign violation, and that certainly doesn't rise to the impeachment threshold, especially considering that they're going to need 15-20 R Senators to vote to convict.

We're stuck with this POS for another 2.5 years. Hopefully the Dems put someone up that I can vote for.

[idhawkman]

AS River points out, most of HawkTalk's conspiracies are debunked as to rising to the level of impeachment. The conspiracies that River doen't go into can also be debunked easily.

There's no way you can be impeached for exercising your constitutional duties. Everyone in the administration serve at the pleasure of the president. He can fire anyone for any reason at any time. Trying to impeach him on these grounds is ludicrous.

He won't be impeached for talking about a payment that was never made either.

Financials? Nope - Meuller has access to all of his tax returns and has gone over them with a fine tooth comb just like the IRS has in their audits.

The 33,000 emails that Trump asked Russia to leak were the ones she deleted. The ones that were "released the next day" were from the DNC server and not Hillary's. Gotta get your stories straight HawkTalk. Besides, now they know that 4 foreign entities had hacked HER server not just the Russians.

REgarding Hillary being more qualified because she was a senator, what did she ever do as a senator to warrant such praise? Nothing.

Secratary of State, she sold 20% of our Uranium to the Russians (which in my opinion is why they don't want this administration to get a working relation with Trump as it might produce all the corruption that happened between the Dems and Hillary and the Russians).

NOw a new poll this morning from NBC shows that Trump's approval rating has gone up and is at its highest level. 88% of Republican voters are now supporting him. Dems are floating ideas of Biden, Hillary, Holder, Gillibrand, Warren, Bernie etc, as the top candidates for 2020, if any of them are the opponent, get ready for 6.5 more years of Trump. I wonder how far toward socialism, abolishing ICE, One payer health care the left is going to be by 2020.

[RiverDog]

NOw a new poll this morning from NBC shows that Trump's approval rating has gone up and is at its highest level.

I wouldn't be busting my buttons if I were you. A personal high job approval percentage for Trump is a rock bottom low for any other sitting POTUS. The poll you eluded to has him at 45%. As a rule, a sitting POTUS is vunruble if their job approval is below 50%.

[idhawkman]

I wouldn't be busting my buttons if I were you. A personal high job approval percentage for Trump is a rock bottom low for any other sitting POTUS. The poll you eluded to has him at 45%. As a rule, a sitting POTUS is vunruble if their job approval is below 50%.

I think this snapshot at the same time for other presidents shows a different story.

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[idhawkman]

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[c_hawkbob]

Oh please, you really gonna start polluting this site with stupid FB memes?

How bout we leave ourselves one decent place to be free of them?

[idhawkman]

Oh please, you really gonna start polluting this site with stupid FB memes?

How bout we leave ourselves one decent place to be free of them?

LOL

[Aseahawkfan]

I doubt if there're going to get him on anything financially related. Trump's empire is far too diverse, too many middle men between him and the deal makers. It would be like trying to nail Jell-O to the wall. And the Russian election tampering, although as paranoid as Trump continues to be about it makes me think he's into it deeper than I initially assumed, doesn't seem to be going anywhere as far as proving collusion. His bimbo problems, although morally and ethically disgusting, would only rate as a campaign violation, and that certainly doesn't rise to the impeachment threshold, especially considering that they're going to need 15-20 R Senators to vote to convict.

We're stuck with this POS for another 2.5 years. Hopefully the Dems put someone up that I can vote for.

If they were going to get him on money laundering, seems like that would have happened ages ago.

I'm going to tune out for about 2.5 years barring something really important, maybe 6.5 years if he is re-elected. Between Trump himself twittering and mouthing off and the anti-Trump folks acting like deranged idiots that have forgotten all their history and to educate themselves on politics constantly making Trump seem like the worst, most evil president in history, I can't watch America act like such a group of idiots from the top down. Trump isn't even in the Top 10 of most evil presidents, not even close at the moment. He's merely the most narcissistic, rude, combative president we've had. People should ignore him. I wish someone would start a movement where his Twitter gets flooded with "Do your job and STFU" comments by the millions and signs with the same on it at protests. If he would learn to speak in a less combative manner, I wouldn't mind him near as much. He hasn't learned the art of couching hard words in candy that makes it easy for the public to consume. Past presidents were much better at this which calms the public a lot of the time because the majority of them don't know or don't care what's really going on in the Oval Office, which is why so many people like Obama, Clinton, G.W. Bush Jr. and Sr., and Reagan. Very few follow actual policy and the media supports whichever party and power people they are aligned with rather than engaging in education and reporting for the benefit of the American people.

The economy is doing fine. So far world affairs seem to be pushing in our favor. Life is quiet and improving but for the president and his Twittering and public comments and the insane anti-Trumper's responses. If we negotiate some good trade deals, we may be rolling for some time to come. I can hopefully relax and ignore the noise for a few more years. I guess I'll wake up again if he gets impeached, check the markets for bargains, and see how it rolls. Definitely a good time to make sure you have a good amount of money invested to benefit from growth and a good amount of cash stashed aside to ensure you're ready for surprises to take advantage of any bargains that show up in stocks if we get impeachment or something similar.

[RiverDog]

If they were going to get him on money laundering, seems like that would have happened ages ago.

Agreed. Since Trump started this birther movement about Obama, he's made plenty of enemies in the federal government, including the IRS. That probably speaks well of having a billionaire as a candidate as they've all been pretty well vetted by the IRS.

I'm going to tune out for about 2.5 years barring something really important, maybe 6.5 years if he is re-elected. Between Trump himself twittering and mouthing off and the anti-Trump folks acting like deranged idiots that have forgotten all their history and to educate themselves on politics constantly making Trump seem like the worst, most evil president in history, I can't watch America act like such a group of idiots from the top down. Trump isn't even in the Top 10 of most evil presidents, not even close at the moment. He's merely the most narcissistic, rude, combative president we've had. People should ignore him. I wish someone would start a movement where his Twitter gets flooded with "Do your job and STFU" comments by the millions and signs with the same on it at protests. If he would learn to speak in a less combative manner, I wouldn't mind him near as much. He hasn't learned the art of couching hard words in candy that makes it easy for the public to consume. Past presidents were much better at this which calms the public a lot of the time because the majority of them don't know or don't care what's really going on in the Oval Office, which is why so many people like Obama, Clinton, G.W. Bush Jr. and Sr., and Reagan. Very few follow actual policy and the media.

I'm stopping short of calling Trump or any other former POTUS 'evil'. That term is reserved for truly Demonic people, the Hitlers, Stalins, Ted Bundy, Jeffery Dahmer, those types of characters. But he is the most insensitive, sexist, racist, untrustworthy, egotistic POTUS that we've had since at least the turn of the 20th century.

The economy is doing fine. So far world affairs seem to be pushing in our favor. Life is quiet and improving but for the president and his Twittering and public comments and the insane anti-Trumper's responses. If we negotiate some good trade deals, we may be rolling for some time to come. I can hopefully relax and ignore the noise for a few more years. I guess I'll wake up again if he gets impeached, check the markets for bargains, and see how it rolls. Definitely a good time to make sure you have a good amount of money invested to benefit from growth and a good amount of cash stashed aside to ensure you're ready for surprises to take advantage of any bargains that show up in stocks if we get impeachment or something similar.

The economy is doing fine, but it was doing fine under Obama, too. It takes time for policies, such as his trade war, to have an effect, good or bad, on the economy. Trump's first budget didn't even go into effect until October of 2017. There's a lot of red flags about the possible effects of a full blown trade war.

Trump's not going to be removed from office against his will, ie via impeachment proceedings. Even if they were to impeach him and bring him to trial, 2/3's majority is just too high of a bar to meet, especially given the Senatorial math in the midterms.

[Aseahawkfan]

I truly believe the "Trump is a Russian spy" is payback for "Obama wasn't born here." Trump pushed that birther crap hard. Now his enemies are pushing the Russian Spy garbage hard. I find it somewhat humorous to watch this tit for tat and can't help but shrug at Trump's complaints when he brought it on himself. You want to fling mud, expect to get it back in the game of politics.

I'm stopping short of calling Trump or any other former POTUS 'evil'. That term is reserved for truly Demonic people, the Hitlers, Stalins, Ted Bundy, Jeffery Dahmer, those types of characters. But he is the most insensitive, sexist, racist, untrustworthy, egotistic POTUS that we've had since at least the turn of the 20th century.

Our POTUS's made a lot of evil decisions. People don't like to call them evil because they don't like to think of their nation doing evil things. Drone assassinations are evil.It's signing an execution warrant without trial by peer to murder someone using a robotic unit armed with weapons. So is dropping bombs that kill people completely uninvolved with any attack upon us. We do it a lot. Just like our POTUSs make good decisions to help people like sending aid to earthquake devastated Pakistan or food aid and school building to Africa. You want to govern nations, you better be able to walk on both sides of the line or you won't be able to handle the job. As POTUS you sign off on government-sanctioned murder and government-sanctioned aid and everything in-between often enough that your conscience will be tested. One of the reasons why I as an American want us to reign in the push for world control from afar. It gets us involved in far too much underhanded garbage and has been for years that puts us as a nation and a people in a position to do evil too often.

Not sure he is the most racist. Like I told you, he's maybe racist in that New York way, but not even sure how much. If you read on Reagan, he was a pretty racist guy. He was even somewhat supportive of Apartheid. He was just much better at yapping and making it seem like he wasn't. As far as Trump he's worked with a lot of folk of different backgrounds, so not sure how you rate most racist unless you're going strictly with words and not actions. Action wise he's not really been much of a racist. I've seen Trump at NAACP functions and associating in private with black and Muslim folks at parties and such. When I heard all this rhetoric, it was nothing more to me than Trump selling an image to right wing voters focused on immigration and racial politics. I see why you think it since you only know the man by his words as presented by the media.

As far as sexist, how do you even rate that? Trump banging around is nothing new for a president. He seems to treat men and women the same. If they're jerks to him, he's a jerk back. He doesn't pull his punches because it's a woman going after him. He seems to have women in positions of power in his company and government. Not sure how you rate him as sexist. Trump seems kind of not sexist, but not in that good way people like where you're still polite to women. He seems sexist in that, "Women are equal. F'em. I'll treat them like I do any guy that comes at me."

Insensitive, untrustworthy, and and egotistical. Yep. Nothing to argue there.

The economy is doing fine, but it was doing fine under Obama, too. It takes time for policies, such as his trade war, to have an effect, good or bad, on the economy. Trump's first budget didn't even go into effect until October of 2017. There's a lot of red flags about the possible effects of a full blown trade war.

Not going to re-hash this discussion other than to say as I told you and burrton: We've been in a trade war for years. The world has had tariffs and limitations against American companies for a long time now, especially China. If these trade wars don't work, then you and burrton need to explain why they work for China and Europe, but not us. That means why can China, Europe, and Japan put high tariffs on our products and do fine, but we put them on their products we're in a trade war and something is wrong. It doesn't make any sense for you to make these claims unless you have both been oblivious to the limitations placed on American companies. It seems to me that you and burrton haven't been paying attention to all the ways China, Europe, and other nations limit our businesses.

I understand why these foreign nations do it. It makes sense not to allow multi-billion dollar international companies from an aggressive system like America to move into your domestic market establishing themselves before you can build domestic industries that ensure local jobs and business power remain within the nation. At the same time America doesn't have to take that garbage. It's time to compete. China and Europe need to lower some of their trade barriers and let us get to business.

The tax reduction has had a huge effect on the economy. Earnings are on pace for all time highs. We'll see what happens when the easy money Fed policy stops and what inflation does as that can be a factor. We'll see what kind of final trade deals get worked out, hopefully soon. Those trade deals are huge as far as Trump's legacy. If Trump improves our trade deals, the economy should be in the best position in years. Now if he could just STFU, we could have some good times because I don't care if he bangs playboy models and pornstars.

Anyhow, I'm not going to argue this again and again. Trump as with most presidents only time will tell what his legacy will be other than the frothing insanity from both sides which has been building for years and has hopefully reached its apex with Trump. Though I'm somewhat concerned that the next Democratic president is going to have to deal with payback from hell for embarrassing the Republicans. These two parties are vicious going back and forth at each other. Every time these parties one-up each other in viciousness, the next guy usually pays for it with an even more vicious cycle of attacks.

[burrrton]

Drone assassinations are evil.

No, they're not, at least not inherently.

Taking out bad people is messy and morally debatable. But it's not evil, and this is why libertarian cranks aren't taken seriously.

It seems to me that you and burrton haven't been paying attention to all the ways China, Europe, and other nations limit our businesses.

And it seems to everyone else that you think you're the only one that knows how to read and pay attention to such things.

(hint: China is a different animal than Mexico, Canada, and the EU, and should be treated as such- that you keep including them in this weak-kneed defense of tariffs on everyone else is illustrative IMO)

These two parties are vicious going back and forth at each other. Every time these parties one-up each other in viciousness, the next guy usually pays for it with an even more vicious cycle of attacks.

We agree there- our political atmosphere appears to be swirling the toilet.

[RiverDog]

[quote="Aseahawkfan"Our POTUS's made a lot of evil decisions. People don't like to call them evil because they don't like to think of their nation doing evil things. Drone assassinations are evil.It's signing an execution warrant without trial by peer to murder someone using a robotic unit armed with weapons. So is dropping bombs that kill people completely uninvolved with any attack upon us. We do it a lot.[/quote]

If you use that as the definition of "evil", then nearly every POTUS in the 20th century was evil. Was Truman an evil man because he dropped the A-bomb on Japan? If you agree, then you're in a very small minority.

Not sure he is the most racist. Like I told you, he's maybe racist in that New York way, but not even sure how much. If you read on Reagan, he was a pretty racist guy. He was even somewhat supportive of Apartheid. He was just much better at yapping and making it seem like he wasn't. As far as Trump he's worked with a lot of folk of different backgrounds, so not sure how you rate most racist unless you're going strictly with words and not actions. Action wise he's not really been much of a racist. I've seen Trump at NAACP functions and associating in private with black and Muslim folks at parties and such. When I heard all this rhetoric, it was nothing more to me than Trump selling an image to right wing voters focused on immigration and racial politics. I see why you think it since you only know the man by his words as presented by the media.

The environment you grew up in isn't an excuse. Your reasoning reminds me of an incident that happened back in the late 70's. My employer refused to fire an employee that called a black supervisor of ours a n*****, and one of the reasons they didn't was because the offender, a female born in the 60's, was born and raised in the deep south. We all thought it was outrageous that our employer would use place of birth as an excuse for the use of a totally unacceptable ethnic slur, especially one directed at a superior. I did not find that excuse acceptable then and I don't feel it is acceptable now.

Reagan wasn't "for" apartheid. He was reluctant to react to it because he felt that the government of South Africa was a friend to the US and didn't want to intervene in another country's business, and he deserves condemnation for that hesitation, but I wouldn't call it racist. Reagan eventually did the right thing and approved sanctions, which was the driving force that caused a change in SA policy. It's not too different to Eisenhower's reaction to Little Rock. Hesitation followed by eventually doing the right thing. Also, keep in mind that Reagan's most trusted foreign policy advisor (Colin Powell) was an African American. Not sure how that occurs if a person harbors racist sentiments.

As far as sexist, how do you even rate that? Trump banging around is nothing new for a president. He seems to treat men and women the same. If they're jerks to him, he's a jerk back. He doesn't pull his punches because it's a woman going after him. He seems to have women in positions of power in his company and government. Not sure how you rate him as sexist. Trump seems kind of not sexist, but not in that good way people like where you're still polite to women. He seems sexist in that, "Women are equal. F'em. I'll treat them like I do any guy that comes at me."

I should probably leave that to some of my female friends. I suppose the infidelity, the trophy wife, the "grab'em by the p****"" remark all justifies a sexist opinion.

Anyhow, I'm not going to argue this again and again. Trump as with most presidents only time will tell what his legacy will be other than the frothing insanity from both sides which has been building for years and has hopefully reached its apex with Trump. Though I'm somewhat concerned that the next Democratic president is going to have to deal with payback from hell for embarrassing the Republicans. These two parties are vicious going back and forth at each other. Every time these parties one-up each other in viciousness, the next guy usually pays for it with an even more vicious cycle of attacks.

Agreed. I'm desperate for a 3rd party. The options the R's and D's have been giving us have been totally unacceptable.

[burrrton]

I'm desperate for a 3rd party.

I like the two-party system- when there are only (realistically) two choices, the candidates have to try to appeal to a wider base. I just want them to quit nominating bad candidates.

Also, third parties aren't immune to nominating bad candidates- the only change would be the higher likelihood that we get a POTUS that received *significantly* less than half the country's vote.

[RiverDog]

I like the two-party system- when there are only (realistically) two choices, the candidates have to try to appeal to a wider base. I just want them to quit nominating bad candidates.

Also, third parties aren't immune to nominating bad candidates- the only change would be the higher likelihood that we get a POTUS that received *significantly* less than half the country's vote.

The liklihood of a less than 50% of the vote wouldn't be the only change. Having 3 viable options increases the chance of being given an acceptable candidate.

I'm not sure what the issue is with the prospect of getting less than 50% of the popular vote is. 8 of the past 17 elections resulted in a less than 50% successful candidate, and some (Nixon in '68, Clinton in '92) were significantly less, in the low 40's. We've had two POTUS's in the past 16 years that lost the popular vote. Heck, even Reagan's electoral landslide in '80 netted him just 50.7% of the popular vote. Besides, when less than 60% of eligible voters don't bother to cast a vote, I don't see what the difference is if we elect a POTUS with 35% of the popular vote vs. 42 or 43%.

[idhawkman]

I think it is sad to say that the economy was good under Obama. Maybe for those who had a full time good paying job it was good but for those 14 million Americans that had to file for food stamps under him and those who lost their job to Mexico or China it was far from good. Under 18 months of Trump, 8 million have left the food stamp rolls and we went from the lowest work force participation rate to the highest. REcord unemployment in black and hispanic groups along with 14 states that have the lowest unemployment rate in their history. People view his immigration stance as racist but actions show a different story.

I do fear we might be headed for another civil war in the US if the two parties can't work out how to return to a civil discord. Antifa and White Supremacists have got to be quelled. They are the far extremes of each party. Also, if we want better leaders, we need to drain the money swamp in DC first and stop the character assassinations of people who run. Why would a highly talented person subject themselves to either of those when they could make so much more money applying their talent to the private sector?

I do think the Hawks on the right and now the Dems want to drag us into a war against Russia which is insane. If I could get the ear of the president for a couple seconds I'd warn him against any phoney stories like the "Gulf of Tonkin" to ignite such a war. There's big money in war for US companies and we really need to be careful that isn't the reason to go to war again.

No one is perfect - we all are human. I think most objective people will acknowledge that this president has had more successes than faults in his 18 months of service. One thing that can't be denied is that he works harder on more issues than any president I can remember and for that I'm grateful. Many of you know my big peave about the Seahawks is playing all 4 quarters and if we look at the president, I think we can all agree, he has been working from the time he hit the field and there's no letup in sight.

[burrrton]

I'm not sure what the issue is with the prospect of getting less than 50% of the popular vote is.

Your points are well taken, but can you imagine what the current level of bed-wetting would be increased to if Trump had won with a little more than a third of electors?

I don't think it's the end of the world, but I'm just not sure I agree with your assumption there would be a noticeable increase in 'good candidates'- I think they'd eventually move to bog standard politicians just like the current mainstream parties do.

I also don't see the stable of great potential POTUSes that have been left on the sidelines due to the R and D parties ignoring them.